why cant the jays make a move for lugo

[ricky151]

the jays could use a better defensive ss
the jays could use a vetran in the infield
the jays could use a guy that can steal and hit for average to play lead off

Lugo is known to be available why have the jays shown no interest.

He would improve our team so much and we could trade the likes of dustin mcowan and maybe a little more. Well any one else wonder why we havent gone after lugo???

[TheKingofKings]

the jays could use a better defensive ss
the jays could use a vetran in the infield
the jays could use a guy that can steal and hit for average to play lead off

Lugo is known to be available why have the jays shown no interest.

He would improve our team so much and we could trade the likes of dustin mcowan and maybe a little more. Well any one else wonder why we havent gone after lugo???

Lugo is now on the DL and is as big Injury-Prone / Risk Player . He has shown inconsistency over the last few years and is not the player he use to be .

[Big_Mac]

and adams is capable of playing shortstop and leading off.

if we need to go after something, it should be a rightfielder but i'm content with everything right now

[Chris from NY]

I don't see a need for Lugo. Adams is going to have ups and downs but he did good last year as a rookie. I can only see him getting better from there. And as for a veteran in the infield, Johnny Mac, Troy Glaus, Shea Hillenbrand, and Lyle Overbay all come to mind.

[ricky151]

i know russ adams could become a good ball player, but a lead of on a championship team i doubt it.We want to win right now isn't that that the reason ricardi went and got the big guns and shelled out the money. The yankees have jeter and i know we can't get a 20 million dollar guy like that, but we have to at least have a player in the caliber of alex gonzales on boston.

Russ adams had a 256 average last year a 348 onbase percentage if with 1 stolen base. I know stealing is not of the most importance in todays baseball, but 1 steal out of your lead of man.

Now lets talk about his defence. lugo fielding percentage was 968 last year and has only fallen below 960% one year in his career. Russ adams was a 952 percent last year. i know our offence is better but we cant afford to be giving free baserunners.

the last 3 years lugo has batted 275 or higher and is in the prime of his career. Since when did we care about injury prone.. a j burnette.. i rest my case.

I am a big jays fan and maybe I am expecting too much out of a ss. I hope that you guys prove me wrong and we will be playing baseball come fall.

[Chris from NY]

I was actually pondering this same question myself right before the season started. The Jays have a good core of young players at every level of the organization. But it seems that the offseason spending spree has pushed our expectations of some of the younger guys up. We know Rios, Hill, Adams etc. will be good but now they've been pushed into the limelight and forced to progress quicker than anticipated. I think this is something that has been overlooked so far, and is one of the things that I am curious to watch out for this season.

[Big_Mac]

we have to give adams time as well. we didn't put a team of 36 year olds on their last wheel for a shot at a pennant, we have a bunch of players on the right side of thirty here for a couple shots at it. you can very well make a case for lugo being better this season but we must remember adams is young and you have to give him time and next season, we could very well be thanking JP for not trading for a shortstop when Adams is batting .300 and putting balls in the bleachers. give adams time and a chance. i think he is very capable of lead-off toronto into the playoffs.

[starkeeper]

Dustin McGowan has a significant upside as a pitcher of the future. The Jays should be very careful about not losing him. Again, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but if the right player for the right deal came along I would seriously consider an upgrade at SS and still try to keep Adams. I know, you can't keep them all!!

[Chris from NY]

Hey, maybe we should try and get Lugo after all. He was just responsible for putting 2 on and none in the bottom of the 8th for Troy Glaus in a one run ball game. That's exactly what we need from a lead-off hitter. :laugh

[Roy31]

Lets get O-dog back!! Hehe, I dont think anyone would be opposed to bringing him back and moving him to shortstop.?

[WinnipegJaysFan]

I'd absolutely snap if the Jays traded McGowan for Julio Lugo! You don't trade a young former first-round pitcher who can hit 98 MPH for an average at best SS.

[starkeeper]

I'd absolutely snap if the Jays traded McGowan for Julio Lugo! You don't trade a young former first-round pitcher who can hit 98 MPH for an average at best SS.

I agree!! Mcgowan has too much upside for the future to let go.

[ricky151]

First thing. I dont get how your okay with the jays picking up a lemon in bernet for a hefty contract. Letting go carpenter for nothing. But you cant stand to lose mcgowan. You guys have to get your priorites straight.

Secondly remember i said adams is not a valid ss. Well guess what i was right and where is he now????
in the minor. I would exept some sort of yeah your right in a reply now. Please admit that you were wrong about lugo and i will feel better. Why cant you guys get it we are a contender we need to win now. As much as i like to see it don think we can afford to keep an alstar team like the redsox and yankees around for long. Mcgowan is a huge question mark on how good he can be. If he was that good we would not be saying man that verlander and loriano are going to be great young pitchers we would also have mcowans name in there.

I am not doubting that mcowan could be a decent pitcher some day, but you have to know he is a long way from that.

They jays have been horrible in the steal department for many years why would you regect filling a weakness that is very evident in our team.

Well i hate to say i told you so, but i told you so

[Chris from NY]

Sadly you were the only one who was wrong about Lugo. Adams will be a more valuable major league commodity than Lugo will ever be. Adams is struggling but will be able to turn things around and be able to contribute. Lugo not even close to even with Kennedy.

Burnett can be a dominating pitcher when his arm is healthy. His extended stay on the DL is just to amke sure the arm does indeed get healthy. After-all, a couple of months on the DL isn't a whole lot when you compare it to the 5 years his contract states he will be here for.

And as for Chris Carpenter, I remember him being "a huge question mark on how good he can be", and it was after he left the Jays that his career turned around, without that chance for a fresh start he might not have become a Cy Young calibre pitcher. Besides, I don't recall anyone on this forum saying it was ok that Carpenter went for nothing. I dodn't to search this forum for the word Carpenter to see when he was even mnetioned on the Jays board: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=12552&highlight=Carpenter

As I found out he was mentioned only sparingly here and i most occasions it is noted that it was wrong to let him go.

And while it is true that the Jays are weak in the stolen base department (20th in the majors), Lugo is not the answer. He has total of 8 SB's which is a grand total of...get ready.....1 more than Alex Rios has. :eek:. Oh ya and Lugo has a spectacular :rolleyes: .98 fielding percentage this year which gives him a carrer fielding percentage of .967 :clapping

[ricky151]

do you know anything about fielding man. You have to also consider range my friend. How many balls can the fielder get too and at ss this is of huge importance. Adams does not have a good range and secondly how many at bats has lugo had compared to rios. He had misses a lot of time in the begining of the year wich you may forget or choose not to remember. So lugo has more steals than any jay and with far less at bats.. thanks for proving my point.

class 2 finishes stay tuned for more lessons

[Big_Mac]

adams will come back up as a second baseman and he will be fine there and hill has very good range it seems where ever he plays.

of time in the begining of the year wich you may forget or choose not to remember. So lugo has more steals than any jay and with far less at bats.. thanks for proving my point.

mute point. the jays hardly run at all so i never consider base-stealing as a factor in making a trade.

[Big_Mac]

First thing. I dont get how your okay with the jays picking up a lemon in bernet for a hefty contract.

burnett's signing paved the way for bj ryan and troy glaus to come here and it is always better to be safe then sorry. bring him back when he is 1000000%. we cant afford to go into september with him on the dl.

Secondly remember i said adams is not a valid ss. Well guess what i was right and where is he now????
in the minor. I would exept some sort of yeah your right in a reply now. Please admit that you were wrong about lugo and i will feel better.

adams is in the minors working on a new position and getting his bat back. i really dont know why you want to get rid of this guy with an unlimited hitting potenial.

Why cant you guys get it we are a contender we need to win now. As much as i like to see it don think we can afford to keep an alstar team like the redsox and yankees around for long.

We have ryan, burnett, overbay, glaus, halladay all under for a long time and these guys are in their prime and have 3-4 years left before they started going downhill. this isnt like the jays are taking one stab at it this year. we will be a contender for a couple years atlease.

I am not doubting that mcowan could be a decent pitcher some day, but you have to know he is a long way from that.

he is but he will be a decent pitcher someday and we have be patient. we dont need him currently and anyone who that throws smoke like that, we have to wait em out.


They jays have been horrible in the steal department for many years why would you regect filling a weakness that is very evident in our team.

they aren't horrible, they just never run. there is a difference. johnson, wells, rois could all steal 20 bags if they got the steal sign enough but thats not how the jays play.

[ricky151]

unlimited hitting potential, you guys make me laugh. When you seen arod in his rookie year as a 30-30 guys. I would think that is unlimited hitting potential. Russ adams will never hit 20 dingers in a season let alone steal 10 bases.

you guys think he is a good young ss like. b crosby, j reyes, j rollins, k green,
i would take any of those guys over him. if you would not then your nuts

[ricky151]

one other coment about the steals thing. Your saying if we had chone figgins or carl crawford we would only let then steal 1o basese. I seriously think that your wrong.

[Big_Mac]

Your saying if we had chone figgins or carl crawford we would only let then steal 1o basese. I seriously think that your wrong.

i never did say that but we arent taking about choen figgins or carl crawford. we are taking about julio lugo. the jays might alter their philosphy for a guy liek figgins but not for an average player like lugo

[Chris from NY]

one other coment about the steals thing. Your saying if we had chone figgins or carl crawford we would only let then steal 1o basese. I seriously think that your wrong.
If the Jays had Crawford or Figgins they would steal as much as they were asked to, just the same as any of the guys on the roster now.

[ricky151]

so your saying if the jays had ricky henderson in his hay day on our roster he would only steal 20 bases a year.. or we would only let him steal that much. If thats not bad coaching and not taking advantage of your assests then i dont know what is.

i dont know why i bother in this form they think a guy like lugo that bats 300 and steals and plays good defence is a bad base ball player and a poor lead of man. Pppl in this forum priase a guy that cant throw the ball hits 229 and cant play defence, incase u need to know his name its russ adams.


lugo = very good ss
r adams = crap

i dare you to compare these players and try and tell me that russ adams helps our team now more then lugo does.

[Reed Johnson]

so your saying if the jays had ricky henderson in his hay day on our roster he would only steal 20 bases a year.. or we would only let him steal that much. If thats not bad coaching and not taking advantage of your assests then i dont know what is.

i dont know why i bother in this form they think a guy like lugo that bats 300 and steals and plays good defence is a bad base ball player and a poor lead of man. Pppl in this forum priase a guy that cant throw the ball hits 229 and cant play defence, incase u need to know his name its russ adams.


lugo = very good ss
r adams = crap

i dare you to compare these players and try and tell me that russ adams helps our team now more then lugo does.

We will start listening to you once you have fixed your grammar/spelling! It is worse then mine and I suck at grammar!

[starkeeper]

I don't know why you bother in this forum either!! You bring nothing to it and you won't be missed.
Are you not able to see that your adverse caustic way of communicating is contrary to any that I have seen in BBF on any forum?
Go away!!

[Big_Mac]

right now, i agree, lugo is a better player. but tell me ricky, a few years from now, who will be better? i think we all learned from alex rois that patience is an amazing thing. and for the 100th time i have said to you or other people that this isn't a one year kick at the can for toronto. we got guys here for the next 2-3-4 years to compete. look at alot of players and it usually takes guys two full big league seasons to get in the groove of things (rois and lots of others). this is adams second full season, next year will be his breaking year and if he isn't cutting it after may next season, lets look for a replacement. but right now, adams is hurting us that bad (losing us games single-handedly) that we need to say, let's get rid of the guy.

anyways, i done talking about this topic as i have stated point after point and repeated them some more.

[flying27]

I'd absolutely snap if the Jays traded McGowan for Julio Lugo! You don't trade a young former first-round pitcher who can hit 98 MPH for an average at best SS.

The Jays have no use for Dustin McGowan. They have Burnett, Chacin, Halladay, in the rotation for the next several years, Janssen and Taubenheim have both blown past McGowan, Davis Romero and Ricky Romero are both close to passing him, there is the possability of signing free agent pitchers or trading for one. McGowan will never make it to the Jays, or atleast not until 2011 or something. He is worthless to the team, of course you trade him for a decent shortstop like Lugo if you get the chance. If I heard about that trade I would do a happy dance.