New video clip of my swing.

[MrUniverse09]

Sorry for the angle, my room is a bit crowded now.

http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=14JCVYBFEHDQK2ITGU094JENSL

I've widened my stance, don't really stride, more of a foot up and down thing and try to make my torso do all of the work. My rotation seems to be MUCH better and generates a lot more batspeed. I don't think I have any bat drag and my head doesn't move around anymore.


Don't pay attention to my wiggling before I swing, I had just taken a couple practice swings to loosen up and the wiggling was a by-product of it.


Thanks for the input.

[Jake Patterson]

Couldn't upload

[bbjunkie]

Couldn't upload
Ditto, I got some kind of advertising page with a link that I wouldn't open. I just got over a crashed computer.

[MrUniverse09]

The link that says "download now" is fine. The site has advertisements on the page to pay for bandwidth.

[tadlock11]

I'll give my $.02 - in your stance, maybe start with your toes pointed in (pigeon toed).

[MrUniverse09]

I'll give my $.02 - in your stance, maybe start with your toes pointed in (pigeon toed).



It was taken at a strange angle...my feet aren't really pointing out during the stance, I promise :crazy

[little_1_lady]

the site worked fine for me, unfortunately there's no way to slow it down, it goes quite quickly & even during replay (repeated over & over) it's hard to determine exactly what's going on.

I would say to keep trying to work on keeping the front foots' toes planted on the groud - only lift the heel of the front foot, and after you swing you're kinda losing you balance (so it appears anyway) try lifting the back heel after your swing. You also wind up in a lunge position with the back knee nearly touching the ground & the front knee locked straight - just be careful not to injure yourself doing this, it looks as if it could be painful.

Other than that, it looks fine.

[little_1_lady]

Ditto, I got some kind of advertising page with a link that I wouldn't open. I just got over a crashed computer.

If you look just under the blue line it says::::::::::::::

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[Ursa Major]

This may help:
http://s95294420.onlinehome.us/userfiles/MrUniverse040706.gif

[Erik]

MrUniverse09
This swing looks as though the pitch would have been slightly above the knees if contact was made. I noticed the front leg really flaring open as if this was a pitch that could have been inside. I see that your head and eyes seem to be focused as if you were approaching this as if it was down the middle. I don't think you would want this type of effect with the front leg. I also see that you fall downward to much finishing your swing. this I don't think is good or natural. I would like to see some clips of you hitting a ball. I think your swing would be more realistic. IMO!



Erik,

[bbjunkie]

Thanks Ursa.

I'm a bit of a novice at analyzing swings, but I can't find much wrong with your swing. Strides aren't necessarily bad things. After working with my son for a bit, even Steve suggested that he continue using a stride as it seemed to work for him.

Your pcr all looks good. Maybe a little bit of overbalance at the end, but its not something I would obsess about. How old are you?

[Mark H]

Turn your toes in, esp on the back foot, before you start. Can't tell if there is hip slide from this angle. Keep at it. Intense focus will get you there with the right help.

[swingbuster]

THere are three ways to get closer to ground

1. wide stance
2. bent knees
3. spine angle

You might do less of all. Start a little taller and get the bat more vertical and closer to your body like this decent hitter called Ted Williams

Rear foot looks like it point backwards a bit that will cause back foot lock out

Your tense upper body load could be caused by the high rear elbow in concert with a high lead elbow. Either lower your rear or lower your lead...I would suggest the latter. Your wrist are bound up and your shoulders are too.

That creates a tense, difficult load . Lower the lead elbow considerably when going back and you will feel a relief and less of a counter rotation look.

The lead leg doesn't give way to a good coil into the rear hip while loading and seems to work against it by lifting ; then opening before you get into you back hip.

You don't seem to be able to be generating any ability to pop the bat barrel as evidenced by you apparent focus on turn and pull the bat around your body.

You top half does get closed off ( more counter-rotational) but is out of synch with the bottom half. When you get the top half back then the whole turn comes togther. You need a better loading mechanism . I see what your attempting but it isn't there right now. That move is difficult when not naturally generated with upper / lower body synchronization

Good comments by Eric..when your too wide..where can you go? When you cannot shift then you will fall back when you rear knee hinges and unfortunately that occurs as the barrel is going through the contact zone.

PCR ? not a cure all but what is? ... start with weighless bat, understand the relationship of the relative elbow positioning during loading, get off the back side ...weight transfer, find out what hand torque is and learn to use it. It starts in the preswing.

Keep an open mind ..................details are missing and very important ones .

Take home point.......attempts to scap load the rear shoulder with a high and internally rotated rear elbow are made more difficult by having a concurrently high lead elbow. That forces more counter rotation and locks up the shoulder flow around the spinal axis.

During the load....the most important part of hitting and most coachable....

The high lead elbow keeps the bat handle in a plane whereby the rear wrist is in a bind trying to get the rear elbow up and back. This is real easy to feel if you just read it and try it. Coaches that correctly I.D. the wrist bind tend to lower the rear elbow rather than the lead as doing that sends the bat out of plane and they fear that for some reason. When they lower the rear instead they make the batter weaker on down pitches and reduce the power of the hitter as well IMHO

[Jake Patterson]

This may help:
http://s95294420.onlinehome.us/userfiles/MrUniverse040706.gif

Several observations:
1. Back foot seems to be opened. Not sure why.
2. Too much movement for me. Your seperation should be smaller and not cause your upper body to move so much.
3. You seemed to be too croached down -check out your lines compared against Bonds. If you look at the picture of Caitlin posted in another thread she's even straighter.
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4. Too much movement with the head.
5. Compare your shoulders (deflection and position) against Bonds.

[Mark H]

Some of the suggestions in this thread emphasize form over function. You take help from everyone and just go do it, you end up with too many cooks and the resulting stew tastes like mud. Think carefully and get confirmation from a lot of people before you make any change. And get Steve's dvd's.

[swingbuster]

Some of the suggestions in this thread emphasize form over function

I think there is a general correlation between the two. I evaluated him using form as that is all we get on this clip. If he is happy with his results
( function) maybe he should leave it all alone .

Based on the fact that he posted his clip asking for a free break down, our responses were what he might expect and certainly well intended.

[jbooth]

Several observations:
1. Back foot seems to be opened. Not sure why.
2. Too much movement for me. Your seperation should be smaller and not cause your upper body to move so much.
3. You seemed to be too croached down -check out your lines compared against Bonds. If you look at the picture of Caitlin posted in another thread she's even straighter.
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4. Too much movement with the head.
5. Compare your shoulders (deflection and position) against Bonds.

You showed Bonds simply waiting for the pitcher to windup. When he gets set to swing, he crouches more. Bonds has quite a bit of separation between his hips and shoulder angles. This frame is just before the bat moves toward the ball.

http://firstpickclub.com/images/bonds-front2.jpg http://firstpickclub.com/images/bondswithlines.gif

[Jake Patterson]

Jim, What would your critique be?

[fungo22]

I think there is a general correlation between the two. I evaluated him using form as that is all we get on this clip. If he is happy with his results
( function) maybe he should leave it all alone .

Based on the fact that he posted his clip asking for a free break down, our responses were what he might expect and certainly well intended. Of course there's a correlation. If there weren't a correlation, people wouldn't be talking about form. But correlation does not mean causal connection.So correlation doesn't mean you can monkey with form and get the desired functional effect.

Mark's point is that most of the comments are observations/suggestions about his form with no reference to the desired functional outcome.

Or at least that's how I understood him.

[fungo22]

You showed Bonds simply waiting for the pitcher to windup. When he gets set to swing, he crouches more. Bonds has quite a bit of separation between his hips and shoulder angles. This frame is just before the bat moves toward the ball.
Good job pointing this out, Jim Bob. You saved me the trouble. And you were kinder than I would have been.

[MSandman]

Some of the suggestions in this thread emphasize form over function. You take help from everyone and just go do it, you end up with too many cooks and the resulting stew tastes like mud. Think carefully and get confirmation from a lot of people before you make any change. And get Steve's dvd's.

Then can you (or Fungo) provide some functional information/suggestions that might help this hitter (beyond just telling him to buy Steve's DVD)? Otherwise, it seems to come across a bit like "You're wrong, but I'm not going to tell you why", which doesn't seem very helpful.

My 2 cents.

[fungo22]

I've widened my stance, don't really stride, more of a foot up and down thing and try to make my torso do all of the work. My rotation seems to be MUCH better and generates a lot more batspeed. I don't think I have any bat drag and my head doesn't move around anymore.

I pretty much agree with your assessment. Speaking of that stride you don't have, I agree with those suggesting you turn the back foot in. Then try allowing your back knee to move forward under your middle as it carries forward with your non-existent stride. This will set up better stretch/load of the muscles in your back hip/pelvic complex. You don't appear to be getting much coil/stretch. And I'm not sure you are unloading what you do have as efficiently as you could if you'd turn your back knee in under your middle as I've suggested above.

I haven't had a chance to look ot it frame by frame, but it appears to me you are getting the direction of the knob changed pretty quickly and your swing path looks pretty good. I might be wrong and we can't really tell for sure from this angle. The reason I might be wrong is that you seem to have too much counter-rotation of your shoulders, which I can see from this angle and which would be worse if we were looking at you from the pitcher's view. This usually means you have wasted hand movement and/or bat lag (not drag). It can also reek havoc with an efficient swing path.

[Mark H]

Based on the fact that he posted his clip asking for a free break down, our responses were what he might expect and certainly well intended.

No doubt.
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[Mark H]

Then can you (or Fungo) provide some functional information/suggestions that might help this hitter (beyond just telling him to buy Steve's DVD)? Otherwise, it seems to come across a bit like "You're wrong, but I'm not going to tell you why", which doesn't seem very helpful.

My 2 cents.

I'm tired of countering Tom and SB. Steve's site will hopefully be open soon and I'll direct him there. In any case, the warning to be careful of taking advice, esp from too many people, is sound.

[swingbuster]

Bonds has quite a bit of separation between his hips and shoulder angles. This frame is just before the bat moves toward the ball.


Mr Universe did not have separation because IMO there was a stiff upper body load and a one piece unload.

Bonds arm and hand action creates his synchronization and separation

[swingbuster]

I'm tired of countering Tom and SB. Steve's site will hopefully be open soon and I'll direct him there. In any case, the warning to be careful of taking advice, esp from too many people, is sound.

Then you can censor people that don't agree and you will have recreated Set-Pro without Paul.

[Erik]

MrUniverse09,
I also see that you are rolling the top hand over at extension this is to early. Do you grip the bat in the palms?



Erik,

[MrUniverse09]

MrUniverse09,
I also see that you are rolling the top hand over at extension this to early. Do you grip the bat in the palms?



Erik,



Yeah I do. I noticed myself rolling too quickly as well.

[Erik]

Yeah I do. I noticed myself rolling too quickly as well.



MrUniverse09,
get out of the palms and try to hit more middle away. I have seen this destroy a hitters path to the ball. I have seen this change a hitters swing fast. I think this effects batspeed and the path to the ball. IMO

Erik,

[MrUniverse09]

MrUniverse09,
get out of the palms and try to hit more middle away. I have seen this destroy a hitters path to the ball. I have seen this change a hitters swing fast. I think this effects batspeed and the path to the ball. IMO

Erik,



Cool thanks. That is certinaly one thing i've always noticed when comparing video of me to elite hitters. Thanks for the advice.

[Mark H]

Then you can censor people that don't agree and you will have recreated Set-Pro without Paul.

Do you feel the same way about Epstein's board? I don't see any dissenting views on his board and I know you don't agree with all of his stuff. Why aren't you hammering him? Oh wait, that's right, he sells a pile of HBH's for you.

[fungo22]

Then you can censor people that don't agree and you will have recreated Set-Pro without Paul. No. As usual, you have completely missed the point. If anyone is censored, it won't be because they don't agree. It will be because they refuse to substantiate their speculative theorizing and wild-ass claims with video. Enghlishbey's site will be video intensive and there will be an abundance of before, during and after video. Those who just want to dogmatically assert their pet instructional views without being responsible for providing evidence that their views hold water will not be welcome.

People wanting to know the truth should welcome such a forum.

[MSandman]

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[MrUniverse09]

I think I have fixed my upperbody loading problem. I'll get more video for you tomorrow because tonight I have get dinner with the lady friend. Crazy broads cost too much :crazy

[MSandman]

Do you feel the same way about Epstein's board? I don't see any dissenting views on his board and I know you don't agree with all of his stuff. Why aren't you hammering him? Oh wait, that's right, he sells a pile of HBH's for you.

His site's also named after HIM, not a "generic" name that implies a more open forum. :D

[fungo22]

His site's also named after HIM, not a "generic" name that implies a more open forum. :D What makes you think Englishbey's site is going to have a "generic" name?

[Mark H]

If you are referring to Nyman, and defending him is difficult in terms of behavior, but I have to say he always seemed pretty clear that his discussion board came with a pretty short leash. His board, his rules. If we are going to start criticizing Nyman, there a lot more productive veins to mine than who he tossed off his board.

[swingbuster]

Oh wait, that's right, he sells a pile of HBH's for you.

You guys bring that up here not me.

I debate hitting technique on baseball- fever and leave Steve and the $150 DVD alone...why can't you.

[Ohfor]

Dissing the HBH is an important part of hitting debate.

Afterall, it is impossible for a high level swing to result from it's use.

[Mark H]

You guys bring that up here not me.

I debate hitting technique on baseball- fever and leave Steve and the $150 DVD alone...why can't you.

Because the question goes to the issue of your credibility on criticisms of Steve.

[LClifton]

Dissing the HBH is an important part of hitting debate.

Afterall, it is impossible for a high level swing to result from it's use.
Don't knock it til you've tried it.
It's like playing with a yo-yo.
A yo-yo, you know, a toy.
LClifton

[4for4]

Don't knock it til you've tried it.
It's like playing with a yo-yo.
A yo-yo, you know, a toy.
LClifton

So that's the toy thingy you were telling me about. Where do I get one?

[swingbuster]

Because the question goes to the issue of your credibility on criticisms of Steve.
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I like Steve and rotation drills can be foundational. My persistent " beef" is the need to expand the dialogue to include the " hand set issues" and synchronizations issue that we expose to avoid one piece turning and top hand drag and an ability to get the top hand on balls away.

Everybody with an interest has a theme I guess
Nyman..scap loading
Mankin...CHP;THT
Steve. PCR
Dixon..the middle
Epstein..horizontal connections
Yeager ...vertical connections

For me and probably Tom it is mechanisms to yield synchronization and connections as all the above as all the above IS happening in high level swings. We know you must start somewhere but also know where you will hit the wall if you stop short in your understanding.

Also some kids " get it" but cannot " do it" based on top hand dominance issues that are nuerologically programed. I have a very difficult time coaching a LH hitter as I cannot get in his body. LH hitters have never been in a RH hitters body. There is a big perception/ reality gap " GULF" there especially when you cannot acknowledge the special needs of a top hand dominant hitter

I don't think Steve is intolerant of these concepts at all. I fully expect him to expand his teaching model in time or probably has in his clinics where it is indicated. You cannot teach this stuff with the written word.

[MSandman]

What makes you think Englishbey's site is going to have a "generic" name?

Exactly my point! :) Epstein's site is named after him, and yes Mark, Paul was always very clear that he controlled the input on his site(s) too. I'm saying that THIS site, to me (at least by its name), presents itself as "open" (via its "generic" name).

I would fully expect/hope Steve's site to be named something more specific to him or at least have a prominently-displayed mission statement that makes it clear the treatment dissenting opinions will get.

For example, it's very nice that everyone is so happy for Fungo's kid's first HR - true community spirt at work (and congrats, BTW). But I notice no one demanded clips from him? How do we know he didn't just "arm" it over the fence, w/ an upright posture and downward aluminum bat swing? Yet when Donny tells us of his players' success, we're subjected to the nauseating "Clips please" over and over? :confused:

"Humanitarian" opinion.

[Ohfor]

Can you read?

Fungo was not at the game.

From what I can tell, swingb**** is at all of his kids' games. Yet, no video. Ever.

I have seen fungos kid's swings posted before.

Just a simple little point that speaks more about the instructors credibility than anything else.

[MSandman]

Ah... so if he WERE at the game, then you'd demand a clip, right? :laugh

Yes, BTW, I read quite well. ;)

[Ohfor]

Do you comprehend well?

[MSandman]

Easy there, Mr. AlwaysRight. There's always the chance someone else at the game had a camcorder, no?

I notice you didn't answer my question tho (IF he'd been there, would you have asked for, I mean DEMANDED, a clip?). And just because you've seen his other previous clips surely doesn't mean that he put a good swing on this particular hit, does it?

(Fungo, I certainly don't mean to take away from your son's glory on this; I'm just trying to make a point. No offense.)

[Ohfor]

Demanded this one clip? Probably not.

If he acted like swing*****, who has never posted a clip of anyone he works with, and spews a hitting theory that is not supported by the majority of clips of mlb players, and hides behind this fact, absolutely.

And this "move" by you to change the subject from "hitting theory analysis" to a defense of "not posting clips" or "I said it first" or "you don't make A do that so why not B" is quite hollow. And clearly shows your bias. Wouldn't you like to see his clips? Or are you not really as open as you claim?

His failure to post clips is really indefensible. Until he does, no one takes him serious. And, what's interesting is, he knows that.

[MSandman]

Perhaps he will... soon. :)

[MSandman]

Yes, I too would like to see his clips. AAMOF, I may be the one creating his clips (from source tapes) in the very near future. ;)

As for your opinion of me being "hollow", ... whatever pal! As I've said before, I'm really not concerned w/ convincing you of anything. Last I checked tho, the ratio of lurkers to posters logged on at any given time is at least 2:1. They can make their own objective conclusions from what they read.

I think we ALL need to consider once in awhile that, no matter HOW much WE want to feel responsible for our kids' success - to validate the enormous amount of time we spend on helping? - there's always the chance that the kids just find ways to get "it" done. And no matter how big the blow to our own egos, many of their "best" hits (i.e. most successful) are often not their prettiest swings. Take the recent Sweeney HR LCliften referenced. Obviously out in front (fooled?) and an all-arms/wrist flick over the fence. If one of our kids did that in a game, we'd be ecstatic. But it very well might not have been due to our relentlessly pounding PCR (or THT or BHUT or 1-2-3) or anything else into their heads. :gt

[Ohfor]

Wecome to "Sandman's World"....similar to "Waynes World".

I'm glad he finally let everyone in on it.

[fungo22]

Exactly my point! :) But I notice no one demanded clips from him? How do we know he didn't just "arm" it over the fence, w/ an upright posture and downward aluminum bat swing? You missed the point. I was not offering my son's dinger as evidence of anything. I shared the HR as an exercise in public ... uh ... gloating, mostly for the benefit of those who've been exposed to my son's long-term development.

But (as Ohfor pointed out), my son's swings through various stages of development (before, during ... ) have been posted on at least 3 occasions, so there are at least prima facie grounds for believing that others will be forthcoming. With Tom and Swingbuster, it's as good as certain that they have no intention of backing up their claims with any evidence. Apparently they are above the rules of public discusson, and apparently you agree that they ought to be. The fact that this is a public forum is not at reason they should be above the rules. On the contrary, it is a reason they ought to be subject to them.


Yet when Donny tells us of his players' success, we're subjected to the nauseating "Clips please" over and over? :confused: Demand for evidence of claims made is "nauseating"?

"Humanitarian" opinion. Your position is not "humanitarian" by any definition of the term I would acknowledge. All we're saying is back up your claims with evidence or stop making the claims. We've heard them before. Repeatedly. There is no hope for verifying or falisfying them. Ever. They are operatonally meaningless. They bore us. Even on this public forum.

[fungo22]

I think we ALL need to consider once in awhile that, no matter HOW much WE want to feel responsible for our kids' success - to validate the enormous amount of time we spend on helping? - there's always the chance that the kids just find ways to get "it" done. Then I guess we're just a wastin' our time. Larry the Cable Guy has the best hittin' instruction available: "Gitter dunn."

And no matter how big the blow to our own egos, many of their "best" hits (i.e. most successful) are often not their prettiest swings. Give me a break. 97% of the swings I see are not "pretty" ... if by "pretty," you mean "high-level." And if you don't mean "high-level," then the fact that they are not "pretty" - whatever that might mean - is irrelevant.

Take the recent Sweeney HR LCliften referenced. Obviously out in front (fooled?) and an all-arms/wrist flick over the fence. You're making a point I made earlier that no one acknowledged: That wrist/forearm strength comes into play on those occasions when the ball arrives at a time and/or place other than that orgininally anticipated by the hitter, with the result that his optimal swing must be aborted (to one degree or another) and other athletic factors (e.g., wrist/forearm strength) must be relied upon.

However, what does this exceptional swing and resulting dinger have to do with Sweeney's normal swing that produces the overwhelming majority of his HRs? Does Sweeney, Bonds, or anybody else have a better chance hitter HRs with a hand/arm swing like Sweeney put on the ball yesterday or with an optimal, high-level swing?

Furthermore, who's to say Sweeney's success yesterday with his hand/arm swing was not make possible as a result of the efficient beginning of his swing? I would suspect there might very well be a causal relationship.


If one of our kids did that in a game, we'd be ecstatic. But it very well might not have been due to our relentlessly pounding PCR (or THT or BHUT or 1-2-3) or anything else into their heads. :gt So what's your point?

[fungo22]

Perhaps he will... soon. :) And not just a hi-lite reel. This isn't Sports Center or a Jimmy Swyggart Holy Ghost healing show. Before, during and after progressions are the only real evidence that it was Swingbuster's instruction that was causal to the success of the hitter.

[MSandman]

With Tom and Swingbuster, it's as good as certain that they have no intention of backing up their claims with any evidence. Apparently they are above the rules of public discusson, and apparently you agree that they ought to be.
I'm not saying they shouldn't post clips once in awhile; I'm just saying that I don't see many game clips of successful ABs that demonstrate a strong correlation between a lot of what I read out here and the actual game swing.

BTW, has anyone even considered the remote possibility that they are not as computer-literate, techno-geeky as some of us are? Maybe they don't possess digital camcorders and/or the skills to create clips from it?

Demand for evidence of claims made is "nauseating"?
Yes, IMO. Has everything Steve (and Paul and anyone else along the way) ever written always required a video demonstration? Or do they sometimes/often just describe in writing "Try this, do that"? If so, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has picked up a nearby SwiftStik and tried what I'm reading? Why can't the Donny/Guerry-bashers do the same?

Your position is not "humanitarian" by any definition of the term I would acknowledge.
And I don't really claim to be one. ;) That's just a reference to Oafer calling me that whenever I mention them.

All we're saying is back up your claims with evidence or stop making the claims. We've heard them before.
And exactly what would this board be satisfied w/ as "evidence"? If anything less than a game swing, well... aside from Oafer's recent son's double, I sure haven't seen an awful lot of successful game swings that looked like there was much PCR going on. :rolleyes: And regardless of what environment they posted from (game or cage), I assume that everyone would pick them apart (the way we do everyone else's). But as long as anyone who posts isn't willing to "go the distance" w/ Oafer's overbearing condescension, they couldn't hope to possibly defend it anyway! :rolleyes:

Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't [post] thing. If I were Donny/Tom, I might not bother posting clips either. :D

[Ohfor]

The Great Enabler.

I have a feeling that in a couple of weeks, Tom, Swing*****, and Sandman will finally be big fish..........in their little pond.

[MSandman]

Give me a break. 97% of the swings I see are not "pretty" ... if by "pretty," you mean "high-level." And if you don't mean "high-level," then the fact that they are not "pretty" - whatever that might mean - is irrelevant.

Of course I mean "high level". And if 97% are not, then WTF does all the PCR/BHUT/THT/etc. have to do w/ anything, other than justifying to us Dads that we made the difference?! :)

[swingbuster]

Before, during and after progressions are the only real evidence that it was Swingbuster's instruction that was causal to the success of the hitter.

Or you could ask the hitter his opinion of why he is killing the ball


I have a feeling that in a couple of weeks, Tom, Swing*****, and Sandman will finally be big fish..........in their little pond.

Creating a big pond s not as eay as you think....good luck

Building the walls back Ohfer?? Berlin? Then you will right everytime.

[MSandman]

The Great Enabler.

I have a feeling that in a couple of weeks, Tom, Swing*****, and Sandman will finally be big fish..........in their little pond.

And why on earth would you think anyone really gives a $hit what you think, oh high and mighty one? I hope you go DROWN in your new pond! :D

Yes, you can go to another site where everyone will take turns kissing the emperor's behind and running off any anyone who even SUGGESTS that they're not always always always 100% right. What a great environment!

Have a blast, egomaniac! :p

[Ohfor]

LOL

Your chain is so short.:D

[MSandman]

So ... help me understand the future of this board??? Will Oafish and Co. still be frequenting, but w/ even MORE blatant/callous directives to "buy Steve's DVD!", but now coupled w/ "Go to Steve's site, as everyone here is an imbecile!"? :grouchy

It'd be much nicer if you just left and didn't bother dropping back in if that's all you're going to offer, IMO. :rolleyes:

[Ohfor]

I'm not sure what we will do here.

I'm pretty sure you won't know what we do there.:o

[MSandman]

I'm not sure what we will do here.

I'm pretty sure you won't know what we do there.:o

Take turns stroking each other for what a great job you've done w/ your kids and how everyone who doesn't wear the PCR tattoo is sooooo missing the boat (even tho their kids might be perennial All-Stars)? :rolleyes:

[swingbuster]

I'm not sure what we will do here.

Poor Steve

[Ohfor]

You are really opening up here in the last days.

[fungo22]

BTW, has anyone even considered the remote possibility that they are not as computer-literate, techno-geeky as some of us are? Maybe they don't possess digital camcorders and/or the skills to create clips from it? I've considered that, but all they have to do is say so. Or they could get some help from the parents of all these kids they are helping.

And exactly what would this board be satisfied w/ as "evidence"? Game swings are best, but I'd consider live arm BP, front toss, soft toss and tee swings all to have relative value in descending order.


But as long as anyone who posts isn't willing to "go the distance" w/ Oafer's overbearing condescension, they couldn't hope to possibly defend it anyway! :rolleyes: Unless you feel he is being constructive, ignore him.

[jsiggy]

BTW, has anyone even considered the remote possibility that they are not as computer-literate, techno-geeky as some of us are? Maybe they don't possess digital camcorders and/or the skills to create clips from it?


I have. That's why I posted this (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=514219&postcount=42). (Summary: rent a camera if you don't have one, send me the tape... I'll reimburse you for all costs.) Surely they can operate a camcorder?

Btw, no response.

Offer still stands.


Yes, IMO. Has everything Steve (and Paul and anyone else along the way) ever written always required a video demonstration? Or do they sometimes/often just describe in writing "Try this, do that"? If so, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has picked up a nearby SwiftStik and tried what I'm reading? Why can't the Donny/Guerry-bashers do the same?


Maybe the difference is because they have many, many other clips, as well as DVDs, CDs, to back up their opinions & evidence? Versus ZERO?

Personally I find most of the repetive arguments here silly and almost always an unproductive time waste. But I just don't see how anyone can really defend these guys who have posted mounds and mounds of assertions for years without a single video clip.


Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't [post] thing. If I were Donny/Tom, I might not bother posting clips either. :D

It's absolutely their right not to post. And it's other's right to question their theories which are espoused without any evidence.

[swingbuster]

jsiggy

I do have camera and am filming game footage and tee footage Tuesday and Weds to send to the best film guy in the USA...Mr . Mike Sanda..aka Sandman. Keep your shirt on ...............

Group hug :dance

[jsiggy]

jsiggy

I do have camera and am filming game footage and tee footage Tuesday and Weds to send to the best film guy in the USA...Mr . Mike Sanda..aka Sandman. Keep your shirt on ...............

Group hug :dance

Look forward to it. Would be great if we could see the 10 swing fix you've mentioned regularly that I referenced in the link above too.

[swingbuster]

Look forward to it. Would be great if we could see the 10 swing fix you've mentioned regularly that I referenced in the link above too.

We will do it in 8.......:clapping

[Mark H]

For example, it's very nice that everyone is so happy for Fungo's kid's first HR - true community spirt at work (and congrats, BTW). But I notice no one demanded clips from him? How do we know he didn't just "arm" it over the fence, w/ an upright posture and downward aluminum bat swing? Yet when Donny tells us of his players' success, we're subjected to the nauseating "Clips please" over and over? :confused:

"Humanitarian" opinion.

Apples and oranges. Congratulating a Dad versus questioning a guy who presents himself as a guru yet has no corroborating clips. Fungo does not present himself as a guru and yet we have seen clips from him.

[fungo22]

Look forward to it. Would be great if we could see the 10 swing fix you've mentioned regularly that I referenced in the link above too. Be sure to show us (1) his swing before you work with him/her, (2) the remedial drills, and (3) the resulting kick-ass swing.

[Mark H]

SB,

What ages and how many kids are you working with where you find this BHUT move so effective?