Philly 2006 game by game feedback/managerial criticizing thread [Archive]

Imapotato

04-03-2006, 02:25 PM

OK game 1

So far....Rolens Grand slam off Santana, who was so much better to keep then Tejada right?

Lieber's line 3.1 9 hits 8 runs 21.60 ERA

Burrell hits a solo HR after Carpenter just goes for the upper left part of the K zone 6 times!!! Big mistake by Carpenter, even Burrell has 3 brain cells

I am just hoping Rollins gets 1 hit

Pujos hits 2 HRS...Fultz stinks as well

Nails

04-03-2006, 11:41 PM

Imapotato

04-04-2006, 12:52 AM

most defintely

Androctus

04-04-2006, 06:22 AM

Can we keep track of Manuel's poor decision making skills in this thread too? For instance, Ryan Howard hitting sixth, using Lieberthal with Lieber (Lieber prefers using the backup catcher), IBB-ing Edmonds to get to Rolen, allowing Fultz to stay in against Pujols.Nails, we'll probably be tracking Bat's Boners all year. Right now the count is at two, for a healty 2.00 Earned Bat Boner Average (EBBA)

Lieby only got the nod because it was opening day. I don't think you'll be seeing that combination again for a while.

While were at it we can probably add they used too many pitchers, period. For nothing. The game should have been Frankiln's after the fourth, thats what he's in the pen for. No I take that back, thats what he should be in the pen for, instead he's Mr. Inning Seven in Bat's grand winning strategy that will ensure no Phils starter will ever make it past the sixth inning. Man, I really hate this fixed back end of the bullpen crap, the same garbage that made Worrell our closer when Wags went down, to the tune of seven blown saves and a blown wildcard and they had the audacity to announce "he did a good job filling in as closer". These guys need to be flexible, but Bat would still run Rhodes out there against a lineup stacked with righties in the eighth because he's the setup guy. It hasn't happened yet, but it will; Bat's idiosynchracies will cost us games.

ed hardiman

04-05-2006, 04:25 AM

Nails, we'll probably be tracking Bat's Boners all year. Right now the count is at two, for a healty 2.00 Earned Bat Boner Average (EBBA)
Lieby only got the nod because it was opening day. I don't think you'll be seeing that combination again for a while.
While were at it we can probably add they used too many pitchers, period. For nothing. The game should have been Frankiln's after the fourth, thats what he's in the pen for. No I take that back, thats what he should be in the pen for, instead he's Mr. Inning Seven in Bat's grand winning strategy that will ensure no Phils starter will ever make it past the sixth inning. Man, I really hate this fixed back end of the bullpen crap, the same garbage that made Worrell our closer when Wags went down, to the tune of seven blown saves and a blown wildcard and they had the audacity to announce "he did a good job filling in as closer". These guys need to be flexible, but Bat would still run Rhodes out there against a lineup stacked with righties in the eighth because he's the setup guy. It hasn't happened yet, but it will; Bat's idiosynchracies will cost us games.
I am sick and tired of the "blame Bat Manuel for his own mistakes" when clearly the blame rests on those who won't do what he stategizes so brilliantly if you looked at his head while he was thinking these thoughts you'd be struck blind or turn to a pillar of salt.
There are times during a Phillies game when you say "Gee if my starter ran out of gas and coughed up 8 runs I would replace him" and Bat does nothing.
Sheer brilliance.
You worry about petty wild cards while Bat rewrites situational baseball strategy for the next millenium...

Androctus

04-05-2006, 06:18 AM

Actually I think the brainscreen on the back of his head had a donut on it at the time, till Varsho changed the channel and watched reruns of Three's Company.

Its upsetting because already you can start counting up the games we'll lose to Bat's new-age brilliance. On the occasions I agree with Howard Eskin, yesterday had it picked right regarding Bat "He just can not think fast on his feet - thats his problem." And where he went wrong was Leiber didnt run out of gas, he had no command, was missing to the inside of the plate and bat couldnt recognize that cause his brain was too busy playing catch-up, and after the game says "I tought he had good command.... he just was missing some inside to righthanders" to paraphrase. Gillick hopefully is not so slow on the uptake, and I think its possible there maybe a change in management sometime midseason. I don't thnk Gillick really wanted Manual anyway. Pinella is out there doing nothing....

ed hardiman

04-05-2006, 07:29 AM

Pinella?
Didn't he just compile a string of three straight sub 70 win seasons with those Debbil Rays???...Ack!

Androctus

04-05-2006, 08:20 AM

Pinella?
Didn't he just compile a string of three straight sub 70 win seasons with those Debbil Rays???...Ack!Yeah, 70 wins..without him they may have only managed sub 60 win seasons...

Do you mean you would choose Manual over Lou?

ed hardiman

04-05-2006, 09:20 AM

Yeah, 70 wins..without him they may have only managed sub 60 win seasons...
Do you mean you would choose Manual over Lou?
I knew you were gonna axe me that and I have a prepared statement to read in response, ahem:
Neither!
Given Gillick's rehashing his greatest hits of the 90's leads me to believe you're onto something with Lou...

Androctus

04-05-2006, 09:38 AM

Funny how the puzzle pieces start to click, aint it?

Abreu and Lidle for Jamie Moyer....

ed hardiman

04-05-2006, 11:09 AM

Funny how the puzzle pieces start to click, aint it?
Abreu and Lidle for Jamie Moyer....
That's way too little to offer for the marshmallow tossing arm from Souderton, Pa.
Throw in Utley, Howard, Rollins, Myers, and Coste, I make that deal all day long if I'm Gillick.
Build the team around my sleeper pick:
David Bell...

johncap

04-05-2006, 02:27 PM

Now, THIS is Philadelphia at it's finest! Setting up a thread to daily rip the team! Right on!

Yes, catching Lieberthal with Lieber on the mound, however, if the decision on catcher was based on current skills or pitcher's desire to throw to them, Lieberthal would never play, and we know that's not gonna happen.

I'm more pissed they gave up Jake Blalock for Dellucci than Tejada. We went from trying to get Hank to giving them Jake for what will probably be a one year rental of a utlity outfielder.

And has anyone pondered that we gave up the guy who could have been our 3B this year, who would probably hit .310 there and field there very well, for a guy currently in a Turkish (or equivalent) prison? Exactly what was the urgency to trade Polanco last year? Oh yea, $$$$$ :cool:

Imapotato

04-05-2006, 04:02 PM

Hey guys let's keep this to GAMES only...we have Ed's great barstool for anything else Philly related

johncap

04-05-2006, 07:56 PM

Well, that certainly was impressive watching Liebertal feebly grund out to 1B with the sacks full. Guess he was saving the lefthanded bat on the bench for tomorrow's game.

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 02:00 AM

Hey guys let's keep this to GAMES only...we have Ed's great barstool for anything else Philly related
What about the Lieberthal to Rowand pick off move?
Granted Pujols didn't grasp the subtlety of such nuance and just kept going to 3rd sack...

Androctus

04-06-2006, 06:19 AM

Well, that certainly was impressive watching Liebertal feebly grund out to 1B with the sacks full. Guess he was saving the lefthanded bat on the bench for tomorrow's game.These are a few pages from the Manual Manual of Major League Management.

Chapter 1: The starting lineup.
1) No one who is not deemed a "starter" at their position should start on opening day.
2) A player who is a designated "starter" at his/her/its position is obviously the best hitter for that position and therefore not eligible to be pinch hit for. In short, only pinch hit for the pitcher or another pinch hitter. Starters are sensitive people, and get upset when they are pinch hit for.
3) Do not upset the starters. Wrassle with then instead to keep then in a good frame of mind.
4) Under no circumstances attempt a double switch, since this (1) requires the removal of a starter and (2) requires an extra walk to home plate to talk to the umpire, who hates us.

Androctus

04-06-2006, 06:24 AM

What about the Lieberthal to Rowand pick off move?
Granted Pujols didn't grasp the subtlety of such nuance and just kept going to 3rd sack...You have to remember Pujols was brought up from A ball and therefore an underdeveloped player. He has not yet grasped advanced strategies like the 2-8 pickoff, or the "Philadelphia Bluff", where you intentionally lose the first two games of a series to lull your opponent into a false sense of security, then BLAM! You take the third game handily and emarrass the crap out of them..... wait a minute...

Positives from the first two games

Geoff Geary: sleeper bullpen stud?

The Phils will get their hits.

Bret Myers: Didn't have anything resembling his good stuff but managed to still keep the game in check and didnt seem to lose his composure. Sign of maturity? Ace? discuss...

Imapotato

04-06-2006, 09:23 AM

ST Louis 4, Phillies 3

Ok, so Manuel had a good move

Bell at 3rd base vs the lefty Mark Mulder

Bell hits a 2 run HR, then with the game on the line fouls off balls until he gets the free pass to move the tying run to 2nd, Lieberthal looked lost and grounds outs

Gordon in a tie game? why? or why not put in Rhodes or Cormier to face the lefty Schumacker? Who would have been PH for in all likelihood?

Geary did well in 2 IP 2 hits allowed and 2 K's
Franklin looked horrible

Rollins wasted no time getting his 38th streak alive

Except for Bell and Rollins, offense was anemic...this is what I was talking about when I said LH SP will kill this team

This is how I would setup the LH lineup

Rollins
Abreu
Bell
Burrell
Utley
Rowand
Howard
Fasano

johncap

04-06-2006, 10:00 AM

johncap

04-06-2006, 10:04 AM

What about the Lieberthal to Rowand pick off move?
Granted Pujols didn't grasp the subtlety of such nuance and just kept going to 3rd sack...
You mean oin the stolen base? I seldom will criticize someone for an error of commission. High and wide throws happen.

Letting a crap RH hitter face a RH closer in that situation, and I calculated the odds of him getting the run home at 54,456.4:1, was ridiculous with a lefthanded bat sitting on the bench. There's just no urgency to win games.

and I have no problem wit hthe closer being in there in the 9th of a tie game. There's no save situation possible at home once you are not leading after 8 so you might as well use him in the 9th and try to win i nthe bottom of the inning.

Androctus

04-06-2006, 11:09 AM

You mean oin the stolen base? I seldom will criticize someone for an error of commission. High and wide throws happen. Yeah they will. Just wish it didnt have to happen at such a critical juncture in the game.

Letting a crap RH hitter face a RH closer in that situation, and I calculated the odds of him getting the run home at 54,456.4:1, was ridiculous with a lefthanded bat sitting on the bench. There's just no urgency to win games.Didnt even have to get a home run, just keep the inning alive. His odds were even longer flailing at everything within reach.

and I have no problem wit hthe closer being in there in the 9th of a tie game. There's no save situation possible at home once you are not leading after 8 so you might as well use him in the 9th and try to win i nthe bottom of the inning.I endorse this idea.

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 12:48 PM

You mean oin the stolen base? I seldom will criticize someone for an error of commission. High and wide throws happen.
Letting a crap RH hitter face a RH closer in that situation, and I calculated the odds of him getting the run home at 54,456.4:1, was ridiculous with a lefthanded bat sitting on the bench. There's just no urgency to win games.
and I have no problem wit hthe closer being in there in the 9th of a tie game. There's no save situation possible at home once you are not leading after 8 so you might as well use him in the 9th and try to win i nthe bottom of the inning.
My concerns with Lieberthal is they were well aware he was falling off the table last season, the answer on their test?
Sal Fasano.

Secondly, they decided Pratt who was effective in platoon and in calling a good game was washed up, the answer on their test?
Sal Fasano.

They had a guy in the Minors who did hit the ball well last season, Carlos Ruiz. Did they get him AB's in the Grape? Nope the answer on their test? Boot Ruiz to the minor league camp ASAP and give the AB's to Sal Fasano & Dusty "The Mummy" Wathan.

The result of their damned stupidity of "locking" in the worst possible catcrap awful free agents, ignoring anybody with upside available, squandering young pitchers and players for guys like Tucker & Dellucci is paying big dividends already.

Their final grade: F.

By the way Franklin's line looked a hell of a lot better than 78% of the pitchers used so far...being a Phillies fan is like being a busboy at the wedding of the damned...

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 12:53 PM

Yeah they will. Just wish it didnt have to happen at such a critical juncture in the game.
Didnt even have to get a home run, just keep the inning alive. His odds were even longer flailing at everything within reach.
I endorse this idea.
I don't think his hitting came back after his last round of Dutch Daulton script injuries...
You know the obvious irony is Coste proved he made the most of a single AB all through the Grape yet the brain rust decided that was a skill best squandered at Scranton, when their are 32+ year old players they could still trade for...Tejeda & Blalock for who?
That twin numbskulling cost them their 1st two games...

Androctus

04-06-2006, 12:59 PM

Well I see his name in the roster right now, playing in a day game after a night one on his creaky knees...could be another numbskulling before the this game even begins?

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 01:10 PM

Well I see his name in the roster right now, playing in a day game after a night one on his creaky knees...could be another numbskulling before the this game even begins?
Can you believe in this godforsaken hell hole they don't even have MLB on right now they're showing NCAA hockey...
Where's Sal?
Why no Sal?
Is he more like a scret weapon?
You have to hope Lidle can stop the skid...

Androctus

04-06-2006, 01:14 PM

Can you believe in this godforsaken hell hole they don't even have MLB on right now they're showing NCAA hockey...
Where's Sal?
Why no Sal?
Is he more like a scret weapon?
You have to hope Lidle can stop the skid...
Yahoo Gamechannel

Androctus

04-06-2006, 01:19 PM

Dark day when were crying for Sal Fasano to come catch...

Edit: 'Jeez I just saw Marquis made it thru the first inning with 2 K's and only threw 8 PITCHES

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 01:22 PM

Yahoo Gamechannel
Yeah I follow them on the Fox Sports...Rollins 0-fer-1...It's all over AAAUGHHH!
Sorry lost my head there...

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 01:25 PM

Dark day when were crying for Sal Fasano to come catch...

Edit: 'Jeez I just saw Marquis made it thru the first inning with 2 K's and only threw 8 PITCHES
Ack!
Hey do you get the Phillies Press Pass Insider from the Phillies?
It's chockful of pregame factoids like:
"Bat Manuel hates ticks."

Lidle has two K's already...

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 01:35 PM

Howard and Burrell on base, Bell, the mighty Dinger at the platter...with Lieby on dreck...a dream lineup...pop up....ack!
Lieby, will get 'em home...come on Mike smack the pill...LIEBERTHAL smack a stiffer!!!!

Androctus

04-06-2006, 01:40 PM

omigod he got a clutch hit. Don't we all feel like idiots now for saying negative things about him.

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 01:48 PM

omigod he got a clutch hit. Don't we all feel like idiots now for saying negative things about him.
Nah...and just as quickly Lidle's giving it back, Eckstein's AB took twenty minutes and now there's 2 on for Encarcion...it's deja-vu all over again.

Androctus

04-06-2006, 01:57 PM

Nah...and just as quickly Lidle's giving it back, Eckstein's AB took twenty minutes and now there's 2 on for Encarcion...it's deja-vu all over again.Dodged that bullet.

Jim Edmonds nursing an injury or something?

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 02:01 PM

Dodged that bullet.
Jim Edmonds nursing an injury or something?
No but giving Edmonds a sacks loaded AB is plain scary...J-Roll 0-fer-2 on the failed bunt attempt...

Androctus

04-06-2006, 02:04 PM

Utley another two bagger

Utley for President.

ed hardiman

04-06-2006, 02:16 PM

Utley another two bagger
Utley for President.
Now there's the kind of rally killing AB's we expect from Bell and Lieby...Utley and Howard, moving Rowand up in the order cooled him off...

johncap

04-06-2006, 03:29 PM

I see Grandpa Stroehman is determined to prove that Bell is a .140 hitter against RH pitching by continuing to play him against them. Exactly what does him doing nothing against righties (and highlighting it with a pair of errors) accomplish?

johncap

04-06-2006, 03:29 PM

BTW, GameChannel is old school. Get yourself a SlingBox.

Androctus

04-07-2006, 06:02 AM

BTW, GameChannel is old school. Get yourself a SlingBox.I'm at work , I have to stick with whats available and inconspicuous.

OK what happened. The phils were up and in teh time it took me to log of my workstation, walk out to the parking lot and trun on the radio the game was already lost. I just keep hearing Rob Schneider's words in my head over and over in that horrible cajun accent:

Oh No! We suck again!

Imapotato

04-07-2006, 02:37 PM

lmao

Hey kept in Lidle in way too long, why I don't know...as soon as they gave up the lead I just checked to see if Rollins would get a hit...that ended as well, so now I just get to see them lose

Any other managerial bonehead moves?

Androctus

04-07-2006, 07:55 PM

How about Floyd strugglin his butt off, bases laoded in the 2nd inning and no one was up in the bullpen.

Way too many first pitch swings - do we even have a hitting coach?

ed hardiman

04-08-2006, 06:00 AM

Best hit of the game?
Fasano drilling a fan with a bat...
Now that's interactive baseball...

sadiemae

04-10-2006, 12:12 PM

I was at the double header Sunday. During the second game a vendor came around hawking packs of players' pictures. He yelled, "Photo packs of all your favorite Phillies and Mike Liberthal."

sadiemae

04-12-2006, 07:34 AM

Last night on Baseball Tonight John Kruk was all over Manuel for hitting Howard 6th after he hit 11 HRs in FLA while batting 4th.

Androctus

04-12-2006, 11:44 AM

Last night on Baseball Tonight John Kruk was all over Manuel for hitting Howard 6th after he hit 11 HRs in FLA while batting 4th.I understand the methodology and the dilemma. The left hand heavy lineup makes Manual feel he has to shift Burrell around depend on who theyre facing. It makes sense, but its not working. Set the lineup, and leave it.

Imapotato

04-12-2006, 03:47 PM

and to be fair to Manuel...that was ST

Androctus

04-26-2006, 06:14 AM

I have to add the pinch running spectacle to the list of CM's "Why teh Hell did he do that?" list, pinch running for Burrell in the ninth, who wasn't even the lead runner, after he sat on first through a Ryan Howard Strikeout. This the second time I seen CM pull that one. What was the rationale there? "umm, well, I figger if'n Howard hit a home run than Burl he don't have to run, juss trot home, but Ryan he struck out so I figger Rowan he not as likely to hit a long ball, so I bettur run for Burl now wit two outs..."