3 or more Batting Titles and not in the HOF

[NOMAR22]

Who else Besides Tony Oliva and Bill Madlock have won 3 or more batting titles and are not in the HOF?

Tony Oliva.323 (1964)Rookie Year ,.321(1965),337(1971)


Bill Madlock .354 (1975),.339(1976),.341(1981).323(1983)

[The Dude]

I wish Larry Walker luck.

[julusnc]

yep Larry Walker

1998-.363-1
1999-.379-1
2001-.350-1

[Ubiquitous]

Pete Runnels came close. He won it twice and finished second once. Ferris Fain won it twice.

Outside of that you have the already mentioned Larry Walker as eligible and then you have likely HoF'er Tony Gwynn.

So yeah basically its going to be Larry. Ichiro is an iffy if he gets another title but then again another title probably helps his cause.

[ElHalo]

Ross Barnes is another one, and one year he led his leage by 63 points over the second place finisher.

[dgarza]

I'm counting Pete Browning

[Brad Harris]

Ross Barnes, Pete Browning, Bill Madlock, Tony Oliva and Larry Walker are the only three-time (plus) batting champs to not be elected to the Hall of Fame. (Of course, Walker isn't eligible yet.)

[dgarza]

Ross Barnes, Pete Browning, Bill Madlock, Tony Oliva, Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn, and Larry Walker are the only three-time (plus) batting champs to not be elected to the Hall of Fame. (Of course, Rose, Gwynn, and Walker are not eligible "yet".)

[Brad Harris]

Thank you. Must have glossed over those names; in the habit of thinking of Rose and Gwynn as "Hall of Famers." :rolleyes:

[dgarza]

Thank you. Must have glossed over those names; in the habit of thinking of Rose and Gwynn as "Hall of Famers." :rolleyes:
I don't know why I didn't even think about Rose until now.

[KCGHOST]

Pretty good group of hitters even if Barnes got two of his titles in the NA. Pete Browning has, for quite awhile, been my #1 guy who was overlooked from the 19th century.

[Brad Harris]

Even the lists of two-time batting champs are filled with Hall-of-Fame caliber players and near misses.

[KCGHOST]

For the sake of discussion let's consider Gwynn an HoFer. Doesn't that make Madlock the only four-time batting champion not in the HoF?? I realize 1981 was a strike year, but didn't they award batting titles that year??

[dgarza]

For the sake of discussion let's consider Gwynn an HoFer. Doesn't that make Madlock the only four-time batting champion not in the HoF?? I realize 1981 was a strike year, but didn't they award batting titles that year??
So who actually won the "official" batting crown in 1981, Madlock or Rose?

[Captain Cold Nose]

So who actually won the "official" batting crown in 1981, Madlock or Rose?
It was Madlock who shared the Topps League Leaders card with Carney Lansford in the 1982 set.
I thought Rose was third when the season ended, but that's without looking. Sure, games were missed during the season, but there was a definite finish that year. No reason to not credit Madlock.

[dgarza]

No reason to not credit Madlock.Well, the issue of enough plate appearances. But if Madlock had enough plate appearances to qualify, what's the deal with baseball-reference's asterisks next to Madlock's name?

[KCGHOST]

Well, the issue of enough plate appearances. But if Madlock had enough plate appearances to qualify, what's the deal with baseball-reference's asterisks next to Madlock's name?


B-R's asterisks are saying that technically Madlock did not have enough plate appearances but by rule you add to his PA's sufficient AB's so that he would qualify for the crown. This lowers his actual BA because he does not getany "hits" with these BA's. If he is still the BA leader after this calculation then he is the champ. This calculation is frequently referred to as the Ted Williams rule.

[dgarza]

B-R's asterisks are saying that technically Madlock did not have enough plate appearances but he DID have enough...right?

[KCGHOST]

Every place Ihave looked shows Madlock as the batting champion, so one way or the other, he got enough PA's.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The Pirates played 102 games in 1981, with Madlock having 320 plate apperances, which is a mere four more than the minimum as per 3.1 PA per game.

[dgarza]

On a similar note, other titles -

3+ ERA titles and not in the HOF
Roger Clemens
Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Greg Maddux

so just current pitchers



3+ HR crowns and not in the HOF
Alex Rodriguez
Ken Griffey
Mark McGwire
Jim Rice
Cy Williams
Gavvy Cravath
Harry Davis
Harry Stovey
Lip Pike

no Barry Bonds?!



3+ Win titles and not in the Hall
Tom Glavine
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Bucky Walters
Bill Hutchison

have I missed anyone?

[dgarza]

The Pirates played 102 games in 1981, with Madlock having 320 plate apperances, which is a mere four more than the minimum as per 3.1 PA per game.
that's what I thought. I'm note sure why there ever was/is confusion.