All Time M's Team

[Griffey24-30]

What would be the All Time Mariners team, by position? Here's my opinions:

C- Dan Wilson
1B- John Olerud
2B- Brett Boone
3B- David Bell
SS- Omar Vizquel
LF- Raul Ibanez
CF- Ken Griffey Jr.
RF- Ichiro Suzuki
DH- Edgar Martinez

SP- Randy Johnson
SP- Mark Langston
SP- Freddy Garcia
SP- Jamie Moyer

RP- Arthur Rhodes
RP- Jeff Nelson

CL- Kaz Sasaki

It was tough choosing 1b (Tino Martinez and Richie Sexson..even though Richie's been there for only 1 season),
2B (Harold Reynolds, Joey Cora), SS (A-Rod wanted money if I used his name), RF (Buhner...enough said) and CF (Mike Cameron, but Griffey odviously had a better career in Seattle). Hopefully, Adrain Beltre will take over 3B in a few seasons. And, if I had to, I'd put Edgar Martinez at 3B, considering he only played a stint at that position. What's everyone elses opinions?

[SABR Matt]

C - Dan Wilson
1B- Alvin Davis
2B- Harold Reynolds
3B- Jim Presley (guh!!)
SS- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Phil Bradley
CF- Ken Griffey Jr.
RF- Ichiro Suzuki
DH- Edgar Martinez

UT- Rich Amaral
OF- Jay Buhner
IF- Mark McLemore
BC- Dave Valle

SP1- Randy Johnson
SP2- Jamie Moyer
SP3- Mark Langston
SP4- Freddy Garcia
SP5- Mike Moore
SWING- Chris Bosio

CL - Kaz Sasaki
SUR- Jeff nelson
SUL- Arthur Rhodes
MR- Mike Schooler
MR- Mike Jackson
MR- Norm Charlton

[KillaK]

C Valle (Wilson wasn't that good... one good season from Johjima and he gets it)
1B Davis
2B Reynolds
3B Blowers
SS Arod
LF sucks... we'll just stick Bone here
CF Jeremy Reed (sike)
RF Ichiro
DH Edgar

SP Unit
SP Moyer
SP Freddy Garcia
SP Moore
SP Langston

CL Kaz Sasaki
Setup Nellie
BP Ayala
BP Mike Jackson
BP Schooler

Bench

Cruz
Tino
Presley
Bochey
Bone
Boone
Olerud
Wilson
Phelps
Cameron

[Edgartohof]

C Valle (Wilson wasn't that good...

Are you serious?

Wilson was much better defensively AND offensively - Valle's career BA is .237 - Wilson's BA is .262, and both have the same amount of power (if you can call what either of them had power), but Wilson still has a lead here, and Wilson was also better on the bases, both as a runner, and a base stealer. And Wilson is a much more beloved member of the Mariner's organization (though in truth due in part that he was a part of better Mariner's teams than Valle ('95, '97, '01).

[Zito75]

Valle's career BA is .237

I remember one season where FX McRory's near the old Kingdome offered beers for Valle's batting average. Paying $2.05 for a brew there sure beat paying $6.50 for a king beer, and heck this was like 1992 or something like that... Back to catching, I'd put Bob Kearny or Scott Bradley over Valle, although Wilson is clearly the man.

[Edgartohof]

C- Dan Wilson - this is our worst position, but Dan is clearly on top - (Dave Valle)
1B- Alvin Davis - he IS Mr. Mariner after all... (Olerud)
2B- Boone - could go either way with him or Reynolds, but Boone's Glove does it for me (Reynolds)
3B- Jim Presley - I hate to say he is our best, but... - I would go with Martinez if he wasn't at DH.
SS- A-Rod - enough said (Vizquel)
LF- Jay Buhner - have to stick him somewhere (Raul Ibanez)
CF- Ken Griffey Jr. - no one will ever be close here - (Mike Cameron)
RF- Ichiro Suzuki - the bat, the glove, the speed, no comparison
DH- Edgar Martinez - he IS the Mariner's (was anyways :) )

SP- Randy Johnson
SP- Mark Langston
SP- Freddy Garcia
SP- Jamie Moyer

RP- Arthur Rhodes
RP- Jeff Nelson

CL- Kaz Sasaki

[Edgartohof]

SS- Omar Vizquel


You may not like the guy, but A-Rod is a million light years ahead of Vizquel - put aside your differences and go with the right one.

[Zito75]

C Dan Wilson (Dave Valle)
1B Tino Martinez (Alvin Davis or John Olerud- very tough call)
2B Harold Reynolds (toss up between Cora and Juicer Boone for back up)
SS A-Rod (Vizquel)
3B Jim Presley (Mike Blowers)
LF Phil Bradley (Rickey Henderson)
CF Ken Griffey Jr. (John Moses or Dave Henderson)
RF Ichiro (Jay Buhner, love the guy!)
DH Edgar Martinez (Ken Phelps)

SP Randy Johnson
SP Mark Langston
SP Jamie Moyer
SP Freddy Garcia
SP Mike Moore

CL Kaz Sasaki (Mike Schooler)
RP Jeff nelson
RP Arthur Rhodes
RP Lee Guetterman
RP Mike Jackson
RP Norm Charlton

Honorable Mentions:

Al Cowens, Ivan Calderon, Bruce Bochte, David Segui, Richie Sexson, David Bell, Ray Quiones, Bob Kearny, Spike Owen, Rupert Jones, Bill Swift, Mickey Brantley, Jeffrey Leonard and Greg Briley.

[godzilla]

C- Dan wilson (hope johjima takes this spot after a couple of years)
1B-Alvin Davis (Tino or Olerud would also fit)
2B-Bret Boone (maybe reynolds)
3B-Jim Presley
SS-"A-ROD" the king
LF-Rickey Henderson or Raul Ibanez
CF-Ken griffey Jr.(reserve-Jeremy Reed)
RF-Ichiro without a doubt

SP - Randy Johnson, Jamie Moyer, Freddy Garcia, Mark Langston and King Felix (i hope)

Set up-Shigetoshi Hasegawa
CL-Kaz Sasaki and Eddie Guardado

Manager - Lou Piniella

[Edgartohof]

C- Dan wilson (hope johjima takes this spot after a couple of years)
1B-Alvin Davis (Tino or Olerud would also fit)
2B-Bret Boone (maybe reynolds)
3B-Jim Presley
SS-"A-ROD" the king
LF-Rickey Henderson or Raul Ibanez
CF-Ken griffey Jr.(reserve-Jeremy Reed)
RF-Ichiro without a doubt

SP - Randy Johnson, Jamie Moyer, Freddy Garcia, Mark Langston and King Felix (i hope)

Set up-Shigetoshi Hasegawa
CL-Kaz Sasaki and Eddie Guardado

Manager - Lou Piniella

Looks good, except for a couple things.

1.) Rickey Henderson only played 92 games for the Mariner's, which isn't really enough to put him on the all-time team, especially since he only hit .238, and Cameron should be the backup for Griffey, since he was both better with the bat (though that may change), and with the glove (though Reed is quite good himself).

[Rennie Stennett]

SP - Big Unit
SP - Jamie Moyer
SP - Chris Basio
SP - Freddie Garcia
SP - Mark Langston

Bullpen - Mike Jackson
- Nelson
- Julio Mateo
- Rhodes
- Caudell
- Everyday Eddie
- Norm Charlton
- Kaz




Catcher - Dan Wilson
1B - Olerud (Ole)
2B - Harold Reynolds
3B - David Bell
SS - Alex Rod
LF - Phil Bradley
CF - Ken Griffey Jr
RF - Ichiro
OF - Bone
OF - Dave Henderson
DH - Edgar

UT - Rich Amaral
UT - Mark Mclemore
PR - Gibson