1961/62 Offseason

[leecemark]

--The clocking is now ticking on the various phases of off season player movement. The timeline'
1) The non-tender period is now active. Your only opportunity to release players without them counting against your 1962 salary cap has begun. The deadline for submitting non-tenders is Midnight EST, Thursday March 23. I'll provide current 1962 rosters in the next post. Non-tendered players will be available to be bid on in the secondary FA auction.
2) The rookie draft will commence at 9PM EST on Friday, March 24. The first three rounds will be conducted live. If you can't be there please get a draft list to me or another proxy prior to the draft commencing.
2a) The draft will continue through Midnight EST on Thursday, March 30. Draft window for rounds 4-? will allow for a 12 hour window to pick. When your 12 hours is up you will be presumed to have passed on that pick. Any players not picked in the draft will move to the secondary FA auction along with the non-tendered players.
3) The Premium Free Agent auction will commence at 12:01 AM EST on Friday, March 31. Multiple bids per posts are okay until the last hour of the draft when there will be a limit of one bid per post. The PFA auction will end at 11 PM EST on March 31.
4) The Secondary Free Agent auction will commence at 12:01 AM on April 01. It will conclude at 11 PM EST on Monday, April 3. Same bidding rules apply.
5) Profiles are due by Midnight EST on April 10. That will also be the deadline for any trades or other moves you want to be in effect for the first series of the season.
6) Opening day will be Thusrday, April 13.

[leecemark]

--The attached are what I have for your current rosters. The numbers here are players under contract for 1962 (less your PFA). The players listed are those under contract who did not appear in the majors in 1962 and are not in the program. Even if a player retired in real life they will be on your payroll unless you put them on your non-tender list.
Cannons (39): Tom Brewer
Gamblers (38): Jackie Jensen, Del Rice, Mlke Cuellar, Al Worthington
Diablos (41): Fred Bruckbauer, Jerry Buchek, Ted Kluszewski, Bob Spout, Bill Kirk, Phil Roof
Skipjacks (37): none
Knights (39): Tim McCarver
Legends (36): Rocky Bridges, Bill Freehan, Ted Lepio, Ted Abernathy, Warren Hacker
Quakers (39): none
Redbirds (39): Monty Montejo, Steve Ridzik

[leecemark]

Knights: Rocky Colavito
Hard Cider: Mickey Mantle
Cannons: Frank Howard
Redbirds: Luis Aparicio
Legends: Jim O'Toole
Quakers: Jack Kralick
Diablos: Zolio Versalles
Gamblers: Don McMahan
Skipjacks: Ron Hansen

[leecemark]

--Attached is a list of all players active in 1962 not on anybodiy's roster and eligible for the rookie draft.

[leecemark]

---The Knights will not be offering contracts to Don Schwall, Jake Wood and Bob Neiman for the 1962 season. Our payroll is now at 84.50M for 36 players.

[mac195]

Mark, there are a few players on doormats mixed into the eligible list, like Clay Dalrymple of the Phillies and Tom Cheney of the Senators (although Chaney didn't play in the '61 DM season, so maybe he really is eligible.

[The Dude]

The Gamblers will not be offering contracts to Del Rice (Retired), Jackie Jensen (Retired), Al Smith, Lenny Green, Joe Koppe, Johnny Temple, Hank Foiles, Danny McDevitt, and Tony Cloninger.

This brings our payroll down to 70 Million, and a roster of 30 players.

[The Dude]

"When we purchased the team, we realized right away that LA's Wrigley Field wasn't going to be our permanent adress. During the innagural season, construction began on Chavez Ravine, the Gamblers new home. We are proud to announce that the stadium is almost complete, and will be done in time for the start of the season." - Gamblers owner Elleroy "Chuck" Coolidge

[leecemark]

--Cheney was inadvertently left off the Senators 1961 roster, but has been added for 1962. Dalrymple was on the 61 Phillies, but I neglected to purge his 62 version. Please remove both from your draft lists.

[catcher24]

The Legends will not be offering contracts to the following players:
Position Players: John Blanchard, C; Rocky Bridges, INF; Dick Brown, C; Don Buddin, SS; Bob Cerv, OF; Don Dillard, OF; Gene Freese, 3B; Pumpsie Green, 2B/SS; Ken Hunt, OF; Ted Lepcio, INF; Bill Mazeroski, 2B; Minnie Minoso, OF; Russ Nixon, C; .
Pitchers: Bob Allen; Ted Bowsfield; Jim Coates; Jack Fisher; Paul Foytack; Eli Grba; Warren Hacker; Rollie Sheldon.

Additionally, Jim O'Toole was lost to free agency.

My current roster is 15 players with a total salary of $59.25 million. My roster has been updated on that thread, with all nontenders now removed.

[catcher24]

Nice picture, Dude!

[leecemark]

First Round
1) Skipjacks
2) Gamblers
3) Diablos
4) Quakers
5) Hard Cider (from Legends)
6) Redbirds
7) Cannons
8) Skipjacks (from Hard Cider)
9) Skipjacks (from Knights via Hard Cider)
Second Round
10) Skipjacks
11) Gamblers
12) Hard Cider (from Diablos)
13) Legends (from Quakers via Hard Cider)
14) Legends
15) Redbirds
16) Legends (from Cannons)
17) Redbirds (from Hard Cider)
18) Legends (from Knights)
Third Round
19) Redbirds (from Skipjacks via Hard Cider)
20) Gamblers
21) Diablos
22) Quakers
23) Lengends
24) Redbirds
25) Knights (from Cannons)
26) Skipjacks (from Hard Cider)
27) Knights
--As you can see there has been alot of wheeling and dealing with draft picks, some changing hands several times. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something or got something wrong. Please point out any errors as soon as possible so we can get them fixed before draft day. I don't believe any picks after the 3rd round have changed hands.

[catcher24]

Mark - Position #17, I got Mac's pick and traded it to Dudecar. Did he trade it later to the Redbirds? Everything else involving me looks A-OK according to my records.

[The Dude]

Mark - Position #17, I got Mac's pick and traded it to Dudecar. Did he trade it later to the Redbirds? Everything else involving me looks A-OK according to my records.

This is from post #727 from the DM Classic League Draft Thread, Page 30.



The Quakers, Gamblers, Hard Cider announce a 3-team trade where:

Quakers get:
Jim Maloney
Gamblers 1965 1st round pick

Gamblers get:
Jim Kaat
Joe Koppe

Hard Cider get:
Ernie Banks
Tommy Davis
Quakers '62/'63 2nd round picks
His own '62 2nd round pick back from Gamblers

That's what I did with that Hard Ciders 2nd round pick.

[mac195]

Mark - Position #17, I got Mac's pick and traded it to Dudecar. Did he trade it later to the Redbirds? Everything else involving me looks A-OK according to my records.
Yes. I traded that pick to the Redbirds as part of the Maris deal.

[catcher24]

I wonder who will be picked in that position? :confused: Already been traded four times!;)

[J W]

Al Weis. :clapping

[538280]

The Cannons will not be offering contracts to Tom Brewer (retired), Bob Turley, Hal Smith, Dick LeMay, Gus Bell, and Carroll Hardy.

[J W]

The Skipjacks will non-tender the following: P Ken Hunt (retired), OF Don Taussig, 1B Ed Bouchee, and C Mike Roarke.

The team now stands at 34 players / 81.00 mil.

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds will non-tender the following:
Ed Bauta, Nellie Fox, Jack Reed, Montejo, and Ridzik. This should leave the Redbirds at 35 players and a salary that I have no idea of(help???), but I believe to be around 73 M.

[leecemark]

--Scott, by my count your payroll is now at 80M for 34 players. I wouldn't swear by that number though. I suspect most of the difference in our figures is that you haven't applied your raises in your figure. Everyone who got an AB or PA for the Redbirds in 1961 is due a 250K raise. That would be 6 of the 7M difference between our figures. Please enter those raises onto your roster page and do a recount.

[Nails]

The Quakers will not tender the following:

Alex Grammas, Whitey Herzog, Ray Sadecki, and Phil Ortega.

The Quakers now have 35 players with a team salary of 76.5 mil.

[mac195]

Hard Cider non-tenders: Ernie Banks, Luis Arroyo, Craig Anderson, Hal Naragon, Jim Davenport

36 players / 72.25 million

[baseballPAP]

Rosters updated...didn't realize how woefully out of date they were!
34 players, 80 million even.

Anyone need a good LH setup man or closer, let me know.

[mac195]

Hard Cider also non-tender Earl Robinson and Jerry Lynch.

payroll: $71 million for 34 players

[538280]

Mark, something just came up and I'm not going to be able to be here on BBF the time of the draft. I'm going to need a draft proxy. Would you do it, or should I send my list to someone else, since Nails already said he's sending his to you?

[catcher24]

Chris - FYI, if Mark can't do it, I would be happy to do it for you. I don't even have a pick until number 13, I believe.

[leecemark]

--I don't have a pick until #25:eek: , so I'm free to pick for anybody who wants to use me as their proxy. I won't be making any decisions, just taking whoever is at the top of your draft board when your turn comes. If anybody both doesn't have a draft list submitted to me or somebody else and isn't there I will pick for them too, but it will be the highest rated guy not #1 on somebody elses list. I won't be looking at who fits the team or anything like that.

[ElHalo]

I have a pick at number 3, I believe, and then nothing again until the third round.

[baseballPAP]

I leave for work at 9:30, so I doubt if any 9 PM time will work for me unless it falls on a day off (sporadic...hard to predict). I'll try and get a list in to Mark.....

[ElHalo]

Non-tenders:

Mark: You listed my roster players who aren't in the game next year as Bruckbauer, Buchek, Kluszewski, Spout, Kirk, and Roof.

Of those guys, I don't see Bruckbauer, Sprout, or Kirk on my roster anywhere, and I don't remember ever having any of them. Am I wrong? If I am, non-tendered.

Other non-tenders:

Buchek
Kluszewski
Adcock
Willie Davis
Joe Gibbon
Gary Bell
Dave Hillman
Clem Labine
Jim Donohue

That should leave me with 28 players under contract, for $57, not including Versailles.

[leecemark]

--One day left to drop players without being responsible for their salary in 1962. You can also use that time to change your mind and tender a player if you want.
--The draft is day after tomorrow. For those owners who indicated they would be sending me a draft list instead of participating live, please get that to me via PM before the draft commences.

[J W]

The Skipjacks will add to their non-tender list SP Mike McCormick.

Their team now stands at 33 players / $79.75 mil.

[leecemark]

--The non-tender period has passed and everybody still on your roster is your financial responsibility for 1962.
--Draft starts tonight at 9PM EST. Please be on time or make sure I or somebody else who will be there has a list to draft from for you.

[catcher24]

I am trying to get the DM rosters to duplicate the rosters displayed in the roster thread, including any players on a roster in the thread who AREN'T in the 1962 DM database. I have some discrepancies, and am hoping Mark or perhaps the team owner can help me figure this out. Mark, I don't know if your roster has these problems or not. I went through the Trade Block and Off Season threads, making all trades/releases indicated, but still had some problems. I am assuming everyone except El Halo and Chris (Cannons) has updated their roster thread!!

Diablos: Roster thread has Phil Roof (c) and Chuck Essegian (OF), who are not on the DM roster. DM roster shows Jerry Kindall (2B), who is not listed on the roster thread. Shold Essegian and Roof go into the DM roster and Kindall be removed?

Knights: List Don Elston both on the 25 man roster and in the minors (if you want to clone someone, Mark, I'd go with Mays!:laugh ). Otherwise all is OK.

SKipjacks: OK

Gamblers: OK (Had to make some promotions/demotions).

Hard Cider: Had to assign to DM roster (listed in roster thread but I didn't have them in DM - all minor league assignments): Don Pavletich; Johnny Goryl; Walt Bond (took some moves - somehow was on the Senators); Gary Kolb; Lee Stange; John Tsitouris; Bob Duliba). More importantly, Mac, you traded for Lou Clinton with JW, but he doesn't show on your roster in the thread (he does show on your DM roster). Do you still have him, or did you release him? If you released him already, I missed that post.

Quakers:Had to assign to DM roster (listed in roster thread, not in DM): Joe Azcue; George Alusik; Charlie Maxwell; Ike Delock; Dom Zanni (again, all minor leaguers). No other problems found.

Redbirds: Had to assign following players to DM roster, listed on roster thread, not in DM: Diomedes Olivo; Bill Tuttle. More importantly, Scott, you show Bobby Shantz on your roster (the roster thread), but you traded him to Mac and he is also on Mac's roster. However, you traded for Al Umbricht, who DOES appear on the DM roster, but not in the roster thread. Perhaps you forgot to remove Shantz and add Umbricht to your roster thread?

Cannons: Chris, did the best I could by entering the info from the Trade Block and Off-Season threads, and deleting your drops from your roster thread roster. My DM roster shows you with a total at this time of 33 players; your roster thread shows 39 (actually, 36. You have Orlando Pena listed three times and Tex Clevenger twice). The following players are still on your roster thread, but NOT on the DM roster: Orlando Pena; Gus Bell; Bob Lillis; Carroll Hardy. Should they be added to the DM roster, or did you drop them somewhere along the line and I missed it? Also, Frank Lary IS listed on the DM roster, but IS NOT on your roster thread. Should he be removed from the DM roster?

Thanks to all for your help.

[leecemark]

--Well those are alot of discrepancies. Some of it may be that the copy of the DM file I sent Lew was prior to any non-tenders and some trades. Much of it is people not keeping up their roster thread. One thing to note from all this is Lee Stange was in the rookie draft file, but actually was drafted by Mac in 1961 and so is not eligible. The other things are things I'd like to get clarified sooner rather than later, but shouldn't be a factor for tonight's draft.

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds: Had to assign following players to DM roster, listed on roster thread, not in DM: Diomedes Olivo; Bill Tuttle. More importantly, Scott, you show Bobby Shantz on your roster (the roster thread), but you traded him to Mac and he is also on Mac's roster. However, you traded for Al Umbricht, who DOES appear on the DM roster, but not in the roster thread. Perhaps you forgot to remove Shantz and add Umbricht to your roster thread?

Thats correct on the trade...I just forgot to update the thread. It's much easier when you have the game....I lose track of the thread because its out of sight out of mind. As for the other 2, not sure what happened there...they're both on my copy of the file.

~S

[538280]

Cannons: Chris, did the best I could by entering the info from the Trade Block and Off-Season threads, and deleting your drops from your roster thread roster. My DM roster shows you with a total at this time of 33 players; your roster thread shows 39 (actually, 36. You have Orlando Pena listed three times and Tex Clevenger twice). The following players are still on your roster thread, but NOT on the DM roster: Orlando Pena; Gus Bell; Bob Lillis; Carroll Hardy. Should they be added to the DM roster, or did you drop them somewhere along the line and I missed it? Also, Frank Lary IS listed on the DM roster, but IS NOT on your roster thread. Should he be removed from the DM roster?

Thanks to all for your help.

Lew, this is my fault for not updating my roster page. Sorry about that. I just fully updated it. I now have 35 players, they're all shown over there. Gus Bell and Carroll Hardy were on my non-tender list. They're no longer on my team. I don't know why Lillis and Pena aren't on my DM roster. They've been on my team all the way through, I never cut them. I even plan an Pena to play a prominent role in '62.

Frank Lary is on my team. I don't know why he wasn't listed on my roster page (probably a mistake of mine at some point). I've added him back on. Check my roster page to see how I think my team should be at this point.

[leecemark]

--Pena wasn't in the game in 1961. He is on the Cannons current DM roster. I think some of the discrepancies in your DM data base may be fromt he method you used to shift players from 61 to 62 Lew. Migration would have missed any players drafted but not active in real baseball in 61.

[leecemark]

--JW started a separate thread for the draft. Please make your picks there.

[catcher24]

Mark - I'm sure that's part of it. Also, I think the fact that some players were drafted last year who weren't in DM, and didn't get onto the DM rosters, played a part. Since six of the teams were OK (counting the REdbirds), that's only three with discrepancies, and Mac's is minor; I think he forgot to put Clinton on his roster after the trade, but I did it in DM). the only real issues were ElHalo's and Chris's, and only because they hadn't updated their rosters on the roster thread, so I wasn't sure what I was comparing to!

Scott - That's pretty much what I figured when I saw the discrepancies. You should be OK now.

Chris - OK, I'll go in and compare again, but I think I had it pretty close.

If I have Chris's OK after checking again, that only leaves the small problem with Clinton not showing on the Hard Cider roster thread, and the discrepanies on ElHalo's team (Essegian and Roof on roster thread but not on DM roster; Kindall on DM roster, but not on thread).

Mark, if you'd like, I'll mail you a copy of the file once I get it accurate. I plan on adding the rookies during the draft tonight, so it should then be right up to date.

[catcher24]

Chris - Just checked again, added Lillis and Pena, and both rosters are now the same. Thanks!:waving

[leecemark]

--Roof, like Pena, was not in the 61 program. Unlike Pena, he isn't in the 1962 program either. Roof will be a phantom until 1964.
--Essegan does show on the Diablos roster in my version of DM. He was a split squad guy in 61, with multiple versions in the program. That may have caused a problem with the migration. I can't say for sure because I've never done a migration myself. That won't be an issue next year since I learned a little and deleted all the partial season versions of split season players before getting started on the 62 season.

[catcher24]

Is this the thread we'll use for drafting?

[leecemark]

--JW started a separate thread for the draft. Please post picks there....beginning in 5 minutes.

[mac195]

Hard Cider have aquired one more lefty in Juan Pizarro. Moving to the Redbirds - right hander Ray Herbert. That brings HC's payroll up to $78M.

[538280]

All right, guys, anyone who wants a shortstop just come to me. I have Woodie Held, Denis Menke, Luis Aparicio, Ron Hansen, and Tom Tresh all right now on the trading block. I'll be taking offers for all of them.

[538280]

The Cannons and Legends have reached an agreement on a trade. The Cannons will be receiving Mickey Mantle, while the Legends get Woodie Held, a 1st round pick in '66, and the Legends get back their former 2nd round pick that they traded to the Cannons in a earlier trade (ironically also involving Woodie Held).

[J W]

Hot commodity, that Mantle. :D

[catcher24]

I confirm the Mantle for Held and two draft picks trade.

[mac195]

........:eek:........

Chris has sold his soul to knock me off in '62. That's OK. I've got a few pitchers ready to challenge that overpaid post-season-slumping bum Mantle. Bring it on. :D :gt

[catcher24]

That would be the bum someone I know inquired about, right? Anyway, if you look at the 1966 draft, there isn't awhole lot to choose from, and Chris usually finishes so high it won't be much of a pick. And he had what - five - shortstops to trade. It's the big contract that'll hurt the most, and it's only for three years. And Mantle might be enough for him to do it, who knows? Batters do seem to fare much better than pitchers in DM!

[mac195]

That would be the bum someone I know inquired about, right?
Yep. He was a bum for me in the post season last year, and he's overpaid, but I sure wish he were still on my team.

[catcher24]

BTW, Mac, if Chris has sold his soul, that would make me the devil, but ElHalo is the "diablo"!:p

[leecemark]

--One week from today to finalize your rosters and update your managerial profile in the roster thread. Please let me know when you've got that updated so I can copy it into the program. Lew and Scott, as soon as you get to 40 I'll send you the updated league file so you can set your roster in the game and send it back to me.

[mac195]

I'm still looking for another good starter for '62. Lots of players and draft picks are on the table:

- Gamblers '63 1st round pick (Allen, Morgan, Rose, Wynn...?)
- Qakers '63 2nd round pick (very deep draft)
- P Pete Richert (81 decent IP in '62, great '65)
- P Sammy Ellis (very good 122IP in '64)
- P Don Mossi (decent starter '62, '63, good 40IP '64)
- P Hal Brown (fair '62, decent '63)
- CF Al Spangler (very good OBP '62, '63)

[mac195]

Chris, Dude, you have trade offers sitting in your inboxes. An OK, or a counter offer would be appreciated. If you are set on the teams you have, a "no thanks" would be good enough.

[catcher24]

I have the DM Classic Keeper League web site operating now. I hope that it appears OK in everyone's browser. I tested it with IE6 and Firefox, and it looked OK on both of those. Eventually, I hope to have everyone's salary sheet up on the site, too. Haven't gotten that far yet, though.

The main screen has small logos of each CKL team in the upper left area. If you click on a logo, the team's batting and pitching stats will come up. These include: team batting report; team pitching report; batter usage report; pitcher usage report; the team roster report with the team's batter and pitcher ratings; fielding ratings; team fielding report; and team game results.

In the center of the main screen, there are three labels that are pretty self explanatory:
League Standings - clicking on this will bring up the normal standings report, along with a wild card report, a couple of expanded reports (home/away; grass/turf; vs LH/vs RH; division/interleague; results after 7 innings; extra innings; 1-run games), and a team vs team report.
Team Totals - Clicking on this will bring up a report showing the team totals for batting, pitching and fielding.
Game Results - Clicking on this will bring up the league's game results. I'm not sure, but I think once we have some games played, if you click on a game's result, it will bring up the box score.

That's it for the top half. Now, if you scroll down, the bottom half has several tags. These, again, are mostly self explanatory:
Current Injuries - Brings up a list of currently injured players, with duration and return.
Keeper League Rules - Brings up the league rules.
Keeper League Free Agents - Brings up a list of the currently available free agents, with their primary stats.
League Leaders - Clicking on batter or pitcher will bring up a list of the current league leaders in numerous categories, and I think I set up the report to list the top 15 in each. BTW, if you see a category missing that you would like included (and if the game has it), let me know. I customized the reports to leave out a lot of stuff that I don't normally look at, but that might interest some of you.
League Main Index - This will bring up a menu (of sorts), that basically lists all of the reports available, including team reports. The links are all active. I listed this in case some of you find it easier than using the labels on the main page.
Encyclopedia - This will eventually be a league history. This link is not currently active, as I haven't gotten that far in the game (but I will shortly). It will only have last year's reports for now anyway, but Mark and I will keep it up from year to year, and eventually it should prove very interesting.

HERE (http://www.geocities.com/lougehrig24/) is the link to the CKL home page. I hope you all find this site useful, and if you think something should be added, let me know.

[baseballPAP]

Very nice job on the site Lew....looks great!

[538280]

Great site Lew!

Just one problem, I was looking at the free agents and realize you have Eddie Yost listed. He's on my team.

[leecemark]

--That is another issue you failed to address Chris. He was not listed on your roster page, but was on your team in DM last time I posted the team rosters. I asked you about it (he and Dick LeMay both), but you never answered. Last time I looked at your roster page he was there again and I added him back to your DM, which puts you at 41 (thats without LeMay who I didn't add back to your roster) and also at 100.25M. Who is cut to make room for him and get you back under the cap?

[538280]

--That is another issue you failed to address Chris. He was not listed on your roster page, but was on your team in DM last time I posted the team rosters. I asked you about it (he and Dick LeMay both), but you never answered. Last time I looked at your roster page he was there again and I added him back to your DM, which puts you at 41 (thats without LeMay who I didn't add back to your roster) and also at 100.25M. Who is cut to make room for him and get you back under the cap?

LeMay was non-tendered, he should be off my team. Yost was always on my team (I am planning on using him as a pinch hitter in '62), and if he wasn't listed on my roster page that was probably just temporary when I was fixing something.

If I need to cut someone I'll cut Bob Lillis (.25).

[leecemark]

--Okay, the Cannons roster is now frozen at 40. You have no cap room to sign anybody else. You also can't make a trade unless it reduces your total payroll. This your roster up to date and ready to be copied into the program?

[538280]

--Okay, the Cannons roster is now frozen at 40. You have no cap room to sign anybody else. You also can't make a trade unless it reduces your total payroll. This your roster up to date and ready to be copied into the program?

Yes, it is.

[catcher24]

Posted by Chris (Cannons):
Just one problem, I was looking at the free agents and realize you have Eddie Yost listed. He's on my team.

Chris - The problem would have been created when Mark removed Yost from your roster. I receive the league files from Mark, since it is required that the commissioner makes all roster moves for the league so that league rosters don't become jumbled. Then, once I have the file from Mark, I load it into my copy of DM9, generate the files for the website and upload them. If Mark now has added Yost to your roster, that problem should be resolved the next time I receive an updated league file from Mark and upload the info to the site. If the problem persists, I'll have to PM Mark and figure it out, but I completely expect it to be gone.:D