Ethics.

[ESPNFan]

Hello Gentleman.
I have been frequenting the ESPN boards for a while and a recent thread was posted regarding plagurisum. There have been quite a few posts from users here showing up almost verbatum with no credit given by a user named Cyril Oreily.

ESPN Cyril Oriely
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Baseball fever. Imapotato
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ESPN Cyril Oreily
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Negro league HOF voting Imapotato
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ESPN Cyril Oreily
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Baseball Fever West Coast Orange and Black
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ESPN Cyril Oriely
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Baseball Fever. Splintergroup.
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Unfortunately it has been also done here by poster Dontworry

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Manny Ramirez Vs. Dick Allen Don’t Worry
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I just thought people here would want to know.

[RuthMayBond]

Thanks for the heads up, people are just amazing :grouchy

[ElHalo]

You know, it's at least good to know that we're known as a source of excellent baseball discussion.

[Southlake CubsFan]

good work inspector! :clapping

[Brian McKenna]

sharing historical information is one thing - it helps us all gain a greater understanding of the facts - but adopting another's opinions and calling them your own is another matter - i have spent a lifetime gaining an understanding of this game - apparently some are content to take the short route - in the end they know no more at the end of the day as they did when it started - unless one has an array of user names, i, for one, am making an addition to my ignore list

[Sultan_1895-1948]

This is a true shame.

If we don't have our own thoughts/opinions to express and share with eachother; then what do we have?

[hudsonharden]

If we don't have our own thoughts/opinions to express and share with eachother; then what do we have?

[Sultan_1895-1948]

Well put.

:cool:

[Mattingly]

I'm moving this to the Web Improvements forum, from Current Events, since it's more about the forum than baseball itself.

We the various Mods are discussing this at the moment.

[digglahhh]

Are there any of mine, do they like me better over there?;)

Seriously, this is a shame, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. I was just hoping that I wouldn't see this phenomenon happening for the first time in something written by a popular baseball writer or in a book I bought that somebody got paid to "write."

In one respect it could be flattering, but dude give credit. Prefacing any such instance witht the following would do:

"As the brilliant baseball historian, philosopher, sociologist and political analyst digglahhh once wrote on the grandfather of all baseball sites, Baseball-Fever..."

Thanks for the heads up ESPN fan- now quick somebody more assertive than I, do something about this.:)

[RuthMayBond]

In one respect it could be flattering, but dude give credit. Prefacing any such instance witht the following would do:

"As the brilliant baseball historian, philosopher, sociologist and political analyst digglahhh..."I think you meant to add "humble" too :laugh :laugh

[wamby]

The only example above that does not look like out and plagarising is the Manny Ramirez vs Dick Allen which both look like they copied win-share lists from another place (which strictly speaking in itself is plagarism since the source isn't listed).

Maybe some of the examples above, especially from the second group are from the same person using differents sigs at different sites.

I think anyone caught doing this should be suspended from the forum.

This gives a good idea why an internet site is probably not the best place to publish any serious research that you have done.

[trosmok]

Hello Gentleman.
I have been frequenting the ESPN boards for a while and a recent thread was posted regarding plagurisum. There have been quite a few posts from users here showing up almost verbatum with no credit given by a user named Cyril Oreily. .......
Unfortunately it has been also done here by poster Dontworry.....
I just thought people here would want to know.

:evil Many thanks, ESPNFan; and yes we like to know when posers/posters are thieving. Plagiarism comes from the Latin plagiarius kidnaper, from plagium, kidnaping, from plaga, net. ~from: The American Heritage Dictionary Houghton Mifflin, Boston 1976 edition :atthepc

Welcome aboard, ESPNFan, and please make yourself welcome to the Fever. I haven't participated in many boards since I discovered this site many moons ago, and shudder to think that people I thought had real ideas were merely lifting others' words and purporting to use them as their own. That is lower than squid poop at the bottom of the Marianas Trench, in my book. I have a personal loathing for this behavior because of an incident during my college days. My Constitutional Law prof took my final thesis and published it nearly word for word in a well-read journal with his name as author, and gave me no credit whatsoever. When I confronted him the following semester he scoffed "Well, this will teach you to have your work copyrighted before submission, won't it?" I made sure there were no witnesses in sight and gave him a patented haymaker below the belt. I suppose we both learned a lesson that day.

[digglahhh]

Tros,

You rule!

In college I was accused of plaigiarism once, by a professor who had a very frail ego and could not accept the fact he had students who wrote better than he did. I told him "I confess, portions of this paper were taken from another work...a paper I wrote in high school."

[wamby]

[QUOTE=trosmok
I have a personal loathing for this behavior because of an incident during my college days. My Constitutional Law prof took my final thesis and published it nearly word for word in a well-read journal with his name as author, and gave me no credit whatsoever. When I confronted him the following semester he scoffed "Well, this will teach you to have your work copyrighted before submission, won't it?" I made sure there were no witnesses in sight and gave him a patented haymaker below the belt. I suppose we both learned a lesson that day.[/QUOTE]

I know this term is thrown around a lot on this forum but I feel the need to use it here. That professor is a scumbag.

[RuthMayBond]

I know this term is thrown around a lot on this forum but I feel the need to use it here. That professor is a scumbag.No sense in giving regular scumbags such a bad name :evil

[wamby]

Tros,

You rule!

In college I was accused of plaigiarism once by a professor who had a very frail ego and could not accept the fact he had students who wrote better than he did. I told him "I confess, portions of this paper were taken from another work...a paper I wrote in high school."

John Fogarty revisited.

[Captain Cold Nose]

John Fogarty revisited.
Which songs were involved there? I thought Rock and Roll Girls was the Fogerty song but can't remember which CCR work he "ripped off."

[RuthMayBond]

John Fogarty revisited.The 1885 outfielder?

[wamby]

Which songs were involved there? I thought Rock and Roll Girls was the Fogerty song but can't remember which CCR work he "ripped off."

I believe The Old Man Down the Road alledgedly ripped off Run Through the Jungle.

[jalbright]

This gives a good idea why an internet site is probably not the best place to publish any serious research that you have done.

Perhaps. I have seen large portions of my writings on Japanese baseball (from another site) quoted in these pages without attribution. It's a little easier to do this with web-based material because it saves the plagiarist typing time, but that's the only difference.

Also, while such a post is intellectually dishonest, I'm trying to get a message across, and the person isn't harming me--in fact, the poster is aiding my cause. Now, if like the professor who "wrote" an article, (and presumably was paid for it) there is money involved, that is a different matter altogether since he profited from his dishonesty--and not his work, but someone else's. If I should catch someone doing so, I will likely sue them for my rightful share of the money derived.

Jim Albright

[Captain Cold Nose]

I believe The Old Man Down the Road alledgedly ripped off Run Through the Jungle.
Zaentz can't dance but he'll steal your money.

[wamby]

Zaentz can't dance but he'll steal your money.

I don't like music very much so he won't be getting any money from me.

[johnny]

Are there any of mine, do they like me better over there?;)

Seriously, this is a shame, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. I was just hoping that I wouldn't see this phenomenon happening for the first time in something written by a popular baseball writer or in a book I bought that somebody got paid to "write."

In one respect it could be flattering, but dude give credit. Prefacing any such instance witht the following would do:

"As the brilliant baseball historian, philosopher, sociologist and political analyst digglahhh once wrote on the grandfather of all baseball sites, Baseball-Fever..."

Thanks for the heads up ESPN fan- now quick somebody more assertive than I, do something about this.:)


"As the brilliant baseball historian, philosopher, sociologist and political analyst digglahhh once wrote on the grandfather of all baseball sites, Baseball-Fever I agree with Johnny! ":laugh

[ESPNFan]

Gentleman,
There is no thanks needed, I was just tired of reading and arguing with someone who' only writing skills consisted of 2nd grade art class cutting and pasting.

I love the site, I actually posted here a few weeks ago but forgot my damn password and never got the email from the site.
Anyway The only way that your ever going to beable to deal with people like this is by finding the I.P. address and showing them the door. I can almost understand a college student or a reporter taking shortcuts under a deadline, but for something like this thats suopposed to be fun is stealing someone's ideas and presenting them as your own is just patheticly dishonest.

ESPN basicly did nothing except to delete the thread discussing it and pretend it never happened. But what do you expect from a site that employs Skip Bayless and Steven A. Smith?

There are a couple more examples i found and If you Mods need any help or want to ask some questions let me know. As we see in the headlines today people who take shortcuts only bring the game of baseball down.

[johnny]

Gentleman,
There is no thanks needed, I was just tired of reading and arguing with someone who' only writing skills consisted of 2nd grade art class cutting and pasting.

I love the site, I actually posted here a few weeks ago but forgot my damn password and never got the email from the site.
Anyway The only way that your ever going to beable to deal with people like this is by finding the I.P. address and showing them the door. I can almost understand a college student or a reporter taking shortcuts under a deadline, but for something like this thats suopposed to be fun is stealing someone's ideas and presenting them as your own is just patheticly dishonest.

ESPN basicly did nothing except to delete the thread discussing it and pretend it never happened. But what do you expect from a site that employs Skip Bayless and Steven A. Smith?

There are a couple more examples i found and If you Mods need any help or want to ask some questions let me know. As we see in the headlines today people who take shortcuts only bring the game of baseball down.

ESPN Fan
Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

[Imapotato]

Wow, I guess I 'should' be flattered????

[ESPNFan]

Wow, I guess I 'should' be flattered????

I'd sue for royalties ; )

But I bet the contents of his piggybank might be dissapointing.
;)

[ESPNFan]

Our friend is back.

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