View Full Version : Do want Dusty out after this year?
E.Banks#14
02-01-2006, 04:57 PM
Simple question, do you want Dusty Baker's managing career with the Cubs to end after the 2006 season?
Let's not just say "Dusty sucks!" or "he doesn't teach fundamentals". Give me some real reasons.
IMO, It all depends on this coming season. It's the first time since '03 that I'm not heading into the season with confidence in the Cubs. I'm thinking (and this seems like a stretch to me) 85-88 wins, which probably would not equate to a playoff spot. If the Cubs can meet that mark or go over it, I wouldn't mind Dusty getting another 2 or 3 years. With the Cubs, he has brought us the closest to a World Series as we've been in 50 years. And if we did get rid of him, who else (a proven manager) is available?
Slightly Sarcastic
02-01-2006, 05:03 PM
I didn't want Dusty back when he was hired.
He never been known as a good strategic coach, which is what the team needed then and what it needs now.
His was supposedly a good locker room coach and good at dealing with ego problems, but I've seen no proof of that in his time here.
Whether the Cubs win the WS or lose 100 games, I want Dusty gone. The sooner the better.
RyneSandberg23
02-01-2006, 05:39 PM
When we dump him bring back Stone and Carey too. I think he wins games by being a good clubhouse guy and a motivator but you're right, strategically he doesn't have a clue. I think Orel Hersheiser would make a great skipper.
burger eater
02-02-2006, 11:48 AM
Let's not just say "Dusty sucks!" or "he doesn't teach fundamentals". Give me some real reasons.
He does suck, he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's confused by most of the job description of a MLB manager. He wonders why he keeps getting wet but doesn't have enough sense to step in out of the rain. I've stated my case about D-Bake often enough around here, the only thing left to do is boo him when he deserves it and hope his obtuse thought process tells him that Cubs fans are unfair, then he'll leave and won't accept a contract extension. There's no argument left as to whether Dusty's a good manager... he's not. Giants fans know it, Cubs fans know it, and any baseball fan who's seen Dusty in action knows it. He's a dinosaur...
Time for bed, Dusty.
KCGHOST
02-02-2006, 12:36 PM
Baker certainly gets the players to play for them but he is miserable about putting them in to the best positions to succeed. He has no grasp of the significance of getting on base at a proper rate. He seems to have difficulty indeveloping new players. And what he does to young pitchers is criminal.
He has had a very successful career as a manager, but most of that was due to Barry Bonds.
The Big C
02-02-2006, 03:55 PM
It really depends who is available to take his place. If the Yanks can Joe Torre (I know there was talk last year), it would be great to get him. There are definitely a fair amount of other guys out there that could do a better job than Dusty, atleast at the tactical part of the game.
ZR56664
02-02-2006, 07:30 PM
When we dump him bring back Stone and Carey too. I think he wins games by being a good clubhouse guy and a motivator but you're right, strategically he doesn't have a clue. I think Orel Hersheiser would make a great skipper.
Exactly!
I agree with what you said about Stone and Carey. They are much better than Len and Bob.
The Big C
02-02-2006, 07:42 PM
I like Bob alright, but Len is not great.
I like Bob alright, but Len is not great.
I am the other way around.
Bob is not a Cub... (neither is Len... yea I know this...)
Bob just acts as if it was a job... I get sick of hearing about what he did as a manager, and blah blah blah... how many times can they show the old baseball card of his when he had that mini-fro?!?!?
Stone talked baseball... he knew what the managers were going to do before they made moves... almost as if the game was on a 10 second time delay...
I am not saying Bob does not know the game, I just feel Steve knew it better.
Len... well Len is not MUCH better, but a slight difference is still an improvement..
Chip and Steve was IMO the best... Harry was fun... but a bit over rated because he was awful to listen to at times... no doubt in the later years anyways...
But Chip has the nice voice, and a bit of excitement that is fun.
I'd take a Chip and Stone game back in a heartbeat...
Sorry I went off topic talking about Len and Bob..
As to the Dusty thing...
He will not be back next year if he can not guide the team DEEP into the playoffs...
IS that going to happen?
Sure... 2006 is the year of the Cubs..
;)
haha
Uncle Dak
02-03-2006, 08:24 AM
Absolutely, Dusty goes along with Hendry.
The talk has already started in the Tribune about the health of the Cubs arms. It's not even spring training, no one has pitched for 5 months and Baker and Rothschild are talking about nursing the pitchers along!
This is not good news fans.
sschirmer
02-03-2006, 09:17 AM
Not if the Cubs win the Series!;)
Cubsfan97
02-03-2006, 11:33 AM
I agree with Cubshub. Chip and Steve were the best duo for the Cubs./ I miss them. I would love to see the Cubs get a new manager, as long as he has a good reputation. I dont want a manager that will send us back into exile.
Ravenlord
02-03-2006, 11:44 AM
Simple question, do you want Dusty Baker's managing career with the Cubs to end after the 2006 season?
after?
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Uncle Dak
02-03-2006, 11:46 AM
Not if the Cubs win the Series!;)
Your enthusiasm is great and we all want the Cubs to win. It's just most of us can't get the image of Dusty Baker out of our minds . . . laid back, with that toothpick in his mouth . . . looking like he has nothing to do with the success of the team.
Slightly Sarcastic
02-03-2006, 11:46 AM
I agree with Cubshub. Chip and Steve were the best duo for the Cubs./ I miss them. I would love to see the Cubs get a new manager, as long as he has a good reputation. I dont want a manager that will send us back into exile.
Reputation is what got Dusty hired. That's a bad measuring stick.
I want a tactically-savvy skipper. Someone that understand the strategy of the game and won't put an OBP nightmare like Neifi in the #2 hole all season.
Slightly Sarcastic
02-03-2006, 11:49 AM
after?
...
Exactly.
I'd be happy if he was gone before Spring Training.
Steal Joe Girardi away from whichever Florida team he signed with, I don't remember off the top of my head.
Uncle Dak
02-03-2006, 11:52 AM
Dusty may not make it to the end of the year.
Uncle Dak
02-03-2006, 11:54 AM
I'd take a Chip and Stone game back in a heartbeat...
And you are not the only one. This is where the wheels started to fall off the wagon. When Stone was as perplexed as every fan watching you knew his comments were right on target.
Cubbie Blues
02-03-2006, 02:18 PM
If the Cubs aren't playing .500 ball by the end of May, it should be the end of Baker. As long as he keeps Neifi out of the line up, we should be OK (WHY in the world did they give him a two year contract?:eek: ) .
Call me an optomist, but I think the Cubs will do better this year. With the addition of Pierre leading off and shoring up the pen at least they could have a shot at the playoffs. Age will catch up to our foes the Cards and Astros.
halloffamefan
02-03-2006, 04:18 PM
Oh yeah. I've wanted Baker gone for quite some time now.
RyneSandberg23
02-03-2006, 05:07 PM
I refuse to listen to Bob and Len. Not as bad as Joe Carter was but still bad. I'll watch the baseball package with the other teams announcers or the radio.... they're just awful, especially Len. I think we were a little spoiled with Stone, he was the best.
halloffamefan
02-03-2006, 05:19 PM
I refuse to listen to Bob and Len. Not as bad as Joe Carter was but still bad. I'll watch the baseball package with the other teams announcers or the radio.... they're just awful, especially Len. I think we were a little spoiled with Stone, he was the best.
Len is very well educated in baseball. I really enjoy listening to him call a game. I'm not a huge an of Brenley, though.
The Big C
02-04-2006, 12:26 PM
So it looks like we are all in agreement that Stone was the best. I love it when Cubs games are on ESPN, they almost always have Stone on.
Lipsander
02-06-2006, 11:50 AM
When we dump him bring back Stone and Carey too. I think he wins games by being a good clubhouse guy and a motivator but you're right, strategically he doesn't have a clue. I think Orel Hersheiser would make a great skipper.
I agree. I'm still ticked off about Stoney and Chip not being there.
Uncle Dak
02-07-2006, 06:38 AM
These guys are running the team . . . think about it man!
Good Men wear Black and White
02-09-2006, 02:47 PM
The cubs need an high spirated and motivational manager like Ozzie, Bakers just wieghing them down.
Bob Sacamento
02-09-2006, 04:55 PM
The cubs need an high spirated and motivational manager like Ozzie, Bakers just wieghing them down.
When the Cubs brought Dusty in from San Fran, those were two his higher ranking attributes, that and getting the most out of mid-range/bench players and getting a team with lesser talent to overproduce.
The cubs need an high spirated and motivational manager like Ozzie, Bakers just wieghing them down.
Didn't your mom ever tell you: "if you ain't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"
???
Come on man, 3 post tonight in the Cubs forum, and all 3 were anti-Cubs and Pro-white sox...
We get it, you are a south side fan... and we are fine with that..
move on...