Need help making all-time team

[RamMan12]

I'm making an all-time team league for Out of the Park baseball and I would like some help finishing the Red Sox. I'm not putting any active players on the team. I'll welcome any comments and suggestons. This is what I have so far:


Pos Boston
C Carlton Fisk
C
1B Mo Vaughn
2B Bobby Doerr
3B Wade Boggs
SS Joe Cronin
LF Ted Williams
CF Freddie Lynn
RF Dwight Evans
IF Johnny Pesky
IF
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Carl Yastrzemski
OF
Util
Util
SP Luis Tiant
SP Cy Young
SP Bruce Hurst
SP Bill Lee
SP
SP
RP
CL Dick Radatz
P

[KingNothing13]

Tris Speaker in the OF.

You need to have "Smokey" Joe Wood as a starter, probably #1 (if you use his 1912 stats)

Maybe Babe Ruth and Mel Parnell pitching too.

[DoubleX]

What about Nomar or Rico Petrocelli for that last IF spot?

Jimmie Foxx had some years for Boston (including an MVP). Mo Vaughn was nice at 1B.

Jim Rice or Manny Ramirez for the final OF spot? Tris Speaker played long enough in Boston as well. Tony Conigliaro? Reggie Smith had some nice seasons for Boston too.

Varitek is probably as a choice as any for the backup C spot.

Clemens should be on that list. Babe Ruth maybe as a pitcher? Lefty Grove had a number of good seasons for Boston. Dutch Leonard? Certainly Joe Wood. Mel Parnell?

[Evangelion]

DoubleX, I don't believe he's using active players.

Though, is Mo Vaughn even retired? I would go with Jimmy Fox at 1B over Mo Vaughn any day. Jimmy Fox did play for the Red Sox for six years. Playing on the Red Sox from 1936 to 1942.

Sorry I can't much of help. I'm not too knowledge about the past of baseball as I am with current events of baseball. I would go with Babe Ruth being one the roster as a pitcher.

I would give Dennis Eckersley some consideration, too.

[VTSoxFan]

Perhaps consider Jimmy Collins for your last IF position, and consider Tony Pena for the other catcher.

[Blackout]

C-Fisk
1B-Jimmie Foxx
2B-Bobby Doerr
SS-Nomar Garciapara
3B-Wade Boggs
OF-Ted Williams
OF-Tris Speaker
OF-Manny Ramirez

SP Pedro MArtinez
SP Roger Clemens
SP Cy Young
SP Lefty Grove
SP Babe Ruth
RP Eckersley

[RamMan12]

Thanks for the responses. Also, thanks for reading about the part that said no active players will be on the roster. I'm making the roster for an all-time team league for teams in existence in 1901.

Comments so far:

Ruth- he's on the Yankees team for obvious reasons
Leonard- he's on the Senators
Grove- also on the Yankees, I believe
Speaker- might be on the Indians, but if not, he'll be on the Sox
Wood- will put him on the Sox
Eckersley- on the A's; very hard decision to make but he did more with the A's
Pena- I think I have him on another team but I can't remember which one off the top of my head

If you check my thread in Fantasy Baseball and Gaming, you'll see the whole project and the other rosters. In there I just posted that I'll put Rice and Collins on the team when I get back to importing the players into the league.

[DoubleX]

Perhaps consider Jimmy Collins for your last IF position, and consider Tony Pena for the other catcher.

Nice choices, wish I thought of them. :)

[DoubleX]

Thanks for the responses. Also, thanks for reading about the part that said no active players will be on the roster. I'm making the roster for an all-time team league for teams in existence in 1901.

Comments so far:

Ruth- he's on the Yankees team for obvious reasons
Leonard- he's on the Senators
Grove- also on the Yankees, I believe
Speaker- might be on the Indians, but if not, he'll be on the Sox
Wood- will put him on the Sox
Eckersley- on the A's; very hard decision to make but he did more with the A's
Pena- I think I have him on another team but I can't remember which one off the top of my head

If you check my thread in Fantasy Baseball and Gaming, you'll see the whole project and the other rosters. In there I just posted that I'll put Rice and Collins on the team when I get back to importing the players into the league.

Ah, I see how you're doing things now. You probably have Pena on the Pirates and Grove on the Athletics (not to be confused with Lefty Gomez who you might have on the Yankees :).

[DoubleX]

This would be my starting lineup for Boston' All-Time team, excluding active players and including players that are identified with the Sox more than any other team).

C: Carlton Fisk - He actually caught more games for the White Sox (1236 to 990, but I don't know many people who would argue him not being part of the Red Sox)
1B: Mo Vaughn
2B: Bobby Doerr
SS: Joe Cronin
3B: Wade Boggs
LF: Carl Yastrzmeski
CF: Fred Lynn
RF: Dwight Evans
DH: Ted Williams

SP1: Cy Young
SP2: Luis Tiant
SP3: Joe Wood
SP4: Bill Lee
RP: Dick Radatz
CP: Bob Stanley

Now being a Yankee fan, I have to ask (sorry)...How do you think that team would do against this team?

C: Yogi Berra
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Joe Gordon
SS: Phil Rizzuto
3B: Graig Nettles
LF: Mickey Mantle
CF: Joe DiMaggio
RF: Dave Winfield - Some may count him as a Padre, but he played more games as a Yankee.
DH: Babe Ruth

SP1: Whitey Ford
SP2: Red Ruffing
SP3: Lefty Gomez
SP4: Ron Guidry
RP: Sparky Lyle
CP: Goose Gossage

[Blackout]

but active players (Manny, Clemens, Pedro; Jeter and Rivera) would strengthen both of those rosters

[DoubleX]

but active players (Manny, Clemens, Pedro; Jeter and Rivera) would strengthen both of those rosters

It certainly would. Could this rotation:

SP1: Roger Clemens
SP2: Cy Young
SP3: Pedro Martinez
SP4: Luis Tiant

Shut down this lineup?

SS: Derek Jeter
CF: Joe DiMaggio
DH: Babe Ruth
1B: Lou Gehrig
LF: Mickey Mantle
RF: Dave Winfield
C: Yogi Berra
3B: Graig Nettles
2B: Joe Gordon

It would be a very, very interesting battle. You've got 2 of the 5 best pitchers of all-time, and 3 of the top 12-15 pitchers of all-time, against a true murderers row with 4 of the best 12-15 positional players of all-time batting 2-5.

[KingNothing13]

I would put Wood in the rotation before Tiant. Maybe make Tiant the 5th starter after Wood.

But thats just me.

Regardless, it would be fun to watch!

[Boston Boxer]

This would be my starting lineup for Boston' All-Time team, excluding active players and including players that are identified with the Sox more than any other team).

C: Carlton Fisk - He actually caught more games for the White Sox (1236 to 990, but I don't know many people who would argue him not being part of the Red Sox)
1B: Mo Vaughn
2B: Bobby Doerr
SS: Joe Cronin
3B: Wade Boggs
LF: Carl Yastrzmeski
CF: Fred Lynn
RF: Dwight Evans
DH: Ted Williams

SP1: Cy Young
SP2: Luis Tiant
SP3: Joe Wood
SP4: Bill Lee
RP: Dick Radatz
CP: Bob Stanley

Now being a Yankee fan, I have to ask (sorry)...How do you think that team would do against this team?

C: Yogi Berra
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Joe Gordon
SS: Phil Rizzuto
3B: Graig Nettles
LF: Mickey Mantle
CF: Joe DiMaggio
RF: Dave Winfield - Some may count him as a Padre, but he played more games as a Yankee.
DH: Babe Ruth

SP1: Whitey Ford
SP2: Red Ruffing
SP3: Lefty Gomez
SP4: Ron Guidry
RP: Sparky Lyle
CP: Goose Gossage

I think they would fight a lot!:D

[pesky6]

This would be my starting lineup for Boston' All-Time team, excluding active players and including players that are identified with the Sox more than any other team).

C: Carlton Fisk - He actually caught more games for the White Sox (1236 to 990, but I don't know many people who would argue him not being part of the Red Sox)
1B: Mo Vaughn
2B: Bobby Doerr
SS: Joe Cronin
3B: Wade Boggs
LF: Carl Yastrzmeski
CF: Fred Lynn
RF: Dwight Evans
DH: Ted Williams

SP1: Cy Young
SP2: Luis Tiant
SP3: Joe Wood
SP4: Bill Lee
RP: Dick Radatz
CP: Bob Stanley

Now being a Yankee fan, I have to ask (sorry)...How do you think that team would do against this team?

C: Yogi Berra
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Joe Gordon
SS: Phil Rizzuto
3B: Graig Nettles
LF: Mickey Mantle
CF: Joe DiMaggio
RF: Dave Winfield - Some may count him as a Padre, but he played more games as a Yankee.
DH: Babe Ruth

SP1: Whitey Ford
SP2: Red Ruffing
SP3: Lefty Gomez
SP4: Ron Guidry
RP: Sparky Lyle
CP: Goose Gossage

Your chest must hurt a lot. From all of the thumping you do, I mean.

[DoubleX]

I would put Wood in the rotation before Tiant. Maybe make Tiant the 5th starter after Wood.

But thats just me.

Regardless, it would be fun to watch!

Good call. I think I would do that, must have forgotten about Wood.

[DoubleX]

I think they would fight a lot!:D

Heh, that would be very interesting in its own right.

[king_ghidora]

Young, Tiant, and Wood would baffle those Yankee batters. Odd as it is, I'd say that all-time Red Sox team has better pitching than the Yankees one does, considering Boston is famous for favoring hitters.

Anyway, Where's Jim Rice on all these all-time lists? I certainly hope we're not catching the same disease that the Hall Of Fame voters seem to have caught.

[DoubleX]

Young, Tiant, and Wood would baffle those Yankee batters. Odd as it is, I'd say that all-time Red Sox team has better pitching than the Yankees one does, considering Boston is famous for favoring hitters.

Anyway, Where's Jim Rice on all these all-time lists? I certainly hope we're not catching the same disease that the Hall Of Fame voters seem to have caught.

I think I'd agree with Boston's pitching strengths, but it would still be hard to plow through DiMaggio/Ruth/Gehrig/Mantle. It would be very intersting to say the least.

As for Rice. I left him off my list because I only dealt with starting lineups, though Rice would surely make my bench. But here's why he's not a starter:

Rice is a LFer, same as Williams and Yastrzemski (and Ramirez if active players are considered). Strictly on LFers, I have Rice miles behind all three. Yastrzemski gets the nod because he is by far the best fielder of this group. Williams, however, is arguably the greatest hitter ever, so he seems best suited for DH, since like Rice, I think I could find better fielding options in CF and RF.

So could I move Rice to CF or RF? Well definitely not CF since his fielding was below average. Fred Lynn had some great seasons for Boston and was a Gold Glover, he gets the nod here over Dom DiMaggio.

As for RF, I went with the better defender again, Dwight Evans. Rice was a much better hitter at peak, but Evans may have been a better all-around player. If Ramirez is considered, then I move Ramirez to RF (since he played over 900 games for the Indians in RF) and Evans goes to the bench as well.

So basically, since Rice is not as good as Williams and Yastrzmeski, and does not field well enough to displace Lynn and Evans (or Ramirez) in CF or RF, Rice goes to the bench.

[RamMan12]

This is my roster now. Post some more suggestions. There were so many different conversations in here I might have missed some good ones but anyway.

Pos Boston
C Carlton Fisk
C
1B Mo Vaughn
2B Bobby Doerr
3B Wade Boggs
SS Joe Cronin
LF Ted Williams
CF Freddie Lynn
RF Dwight Evans
IF Johnny Pesky
IF Jimmy Collins
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Carl Yastrzemski
OF Jim Rice
Util Harry Hooper
Util
SP Luis Tiant
SP Cy Young
SP Bruce Hurst
SP Bill Lee
SP Joe Wood
SP
RP Bob Stanley
CL Dick Radatz
P

[538280]

This is my roster now. Post some more suggestions. There were so many different conversations in here I might have missed some good ones but anyway.

Pos Boston
C Carlton Fisk
C
1B Mo Vaughn
2B Bobby Doerr
3B Wade Boggs
SS Joe Cronin
LF Ted Williams
CF Freddie Lynn
RF Dwight Evans
IF Johnny Pesky
IF Jimmy Collins
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Carl Yastrzemski
OF Jim Rice
Util Harry Hooper
Util
SP Luis Tiant
SP Cy Young
SP Bruce Hurst
SP Bill Lee
SP Joe Wood
SP
RP Bob Stanley
CL Dick Radatz
P


Roger Clemens should qualify for the team. Ellis Kinder should be in the bullpen. Not bad though.

[leecemark]

--Wally Schang as your other catcher?

[DoubleX]

--Wally Schang as your other catcher?

I know I don't speak for everyone, but I think of Schang as first and foremost an Athletic, than as a Yankee, than as a Brown, before I associate him with the Red Sox.

[leecemark]

--I suppose you could make a case for any of those teams. I put him on the Red Sox, because the others (less the Browns, who I really don't have a team for) don't need him. Plus I put Fisk on the White Sox. Schang did have more seasons for the Browns than the Sox, but didn't join them until he was 36 and never got 300 ABs in any of his seasons there. He split time 2 years and then stuck around as a backup.

[DoubleX]

--I suppose you could make a case for any of those teams. I put him on the Red Sox, because the others (less the Browns, who I really don't have a team for) don't need him. Plus I put Fisk on the White Sox. Schang did have more seasons for the Browns than the Sox, but didn't join them until he was 36 and never got 300 ABs in any of his seasons there. He split time 2 years and then stuck around as a backup.

That's a good point - other teams already have their positions filled.

I also agree with you about Fisk. I actually think of him as a Red Sock, but put him on the White Sox when I make my all-time teams because he played more seasons, had more ABs with the White Sox, and had some big seasons in the 80s on the White Sox. The only thing he didn't have was a Game 6 homerun. Anyway, after living in Boston for several years, I think it would be a very tough sell trying to convince Red Sox nation that Pudge Fisk is a White Sock and not a Red Sock.

[RamMan12]

Does anybody think that Troy O'Leary would make the all-time team in the last spot at Util.? After this input, I'm gonna finish the rosters without any more help. You can find the final roster for the Red Sox and the other 15 teams in my thread in Fantasy Baseball and Gaming.

[runningshoes]

These are my guys...each in the position they played.

1b - Jimmie Foxx
2b - Bobby Doer
ss - Nomar Garciaparra
3b - Jimmy Collins
C - Carlton Fisk
LF - Ted Williams
CF - Tris Speaker
RF - Dwight Evans
SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Lefty Grove
SP - Cy Young
RP - Ellis Kinder
RP - Dick Radatz
RP - Bob Stanley