Have you ever noticed

[56 chmps]

Since joining this site and just seeing in every day life how much people hate the yankees. I mean when i am watching a yankees game with people who a'rent yankee fans they cheer when they leave men stranded. I know that when say i watch a Cubs v. mets game I don't cheer when the mets mess up. I was wondering if you guys also realize this and is it because everyone else just jealous because we win sooooooooooo!!!!!! much:D. Also i have noticed when we lose in the playoffs we are criticed so much. I mean more then one team loses and we can't win every year, come on give us a break we don't make fun of say braves fans for getting knocked out. This thread is for people who also realize this and not for people who are going to come in here and flame away.

thank you,
56 chmps

[DoubleX]

I think you're observations are right. To many, the Yankees are the great villain in baseball, and people always like to root against the villain and see the villain fail.

[omar7433]

I think you're observations are right. To many, the Yankees are the great villain in baseball, and people always like to root against the villain and see the villain fail.
ohhh yeees ...that's all right !!!:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping

[Pinstripe Pride]

I don't really mind it. It all comes with the territory.


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[Mattingly]

Nobody boos you if you're not good. That is, unless you play for the team and their fans are booing.

I played pool and if I have the table for 2 hours, people cheer when I'm beaten or miss a ball. It's natural in sports for folks to want someone else to get a turn. The so-called "little guy/gal" can see themselves winning, not just one person.

Hey, if we can return to be Kings of the Mountain, I'll take it. If not, there will be many striving to push us off the top once again! :D

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

I think that it has to do with the fact that the Yankees are the most succesfull team in MLB. People get jealous about that.

But I think it has also to do with how Yankee fans behave. A lot behave like "We're the best and nobody can beat us". Look at they way they have treated Boston until 2004. You don't make friends with that kind of behaviour.

I think too that the Yankees can not win every year. That is something a lot of Yankee fans don't realise. They want their team to win every year. I have said this before, but that is not good for baseball.

About the criticism: I think it is the mainly the NY press that does so. Look at how they write about players if they don't live up to the expectations...

[Evangelion]

I do not think it's a fact about being jealous, but the fact the Yankees are view as the evil organizartion in baseball. Of course, the common baseball fan know the only thing questionable they do is pay a lot of money for their players, but I choose not to complain about that fact until and if a system is setup to say they can't pay that much money. Until then, they're welcome to pay whatever amount of money they wish to player to bring him to New York.

It's a funny thing going for baseball. You'll never catch me saying the Yankees actually do suck in a serious conversation, unless they actually do, but during games, as a fan, I like to have fun with ''Yankee Suck'' chant. While I might respect the Yankees for what they have done, I will never like them. Hey, I'm still a Red Sox fan, even though I have a good outlook on baseball. :)

[56 chmps]

Nobody boos you if you're not good. That is, unless you play for the team and their fans are booing.

I played pool and if I have the table for 2 hours, people cheer when I'm beaten or miss a ball. It's natural in sports for folks to want someone else to get a turn. The so-called "little guy/gal" can see themselves winning, not just one person.

Hey, if we can return to be Kings of the Mountain, I'll take it. If not, there will be many striving to push us off the top once again! :D

you do make a very good point. But just as a question to you will you cheer this year when the white sox make mistakes considering they are on top??( I am not being an A**hole with this question just to let you know )

[LouGehrig]

It is quite simple. The Yankees have a tradition of winning, but "winning" is defined in a special way.

"Winning" means simply winning the WS. Anything else is unacceptable.

Few individuals are willing to acknowledge that few individuals are willing to make the sacrifices in order to win the WS or, as a fan, to live under the constant pressure of having to win the WS.

Fans of other teams resent the fact that the Yankees have such high standards and attempt to achieve those standards. It is easier to be satisified with less and to resent those who are not.

[Mattingly]

you do make a very good point. But just as a question to you will you cheer this year when the white sox make mistakes considering they are on top??( I am not being an A**hole with this question just to let you know )
Despite a WS win, I'd still say that the Southsiders/Pale Hose are still the "little guys", albeit the Little Engine that Could!

Had it been the Braves, Yankees, Cards, then those are teams that have routinely made the playoffs and those are amongst the teams one would expect to win it all, barring any playoff upset. The Diamondbacks, Angels, Marlins, and even the Red Sox (only due to their long streak of never winning the WS, and always losing it in Game 7), aren't seen in the same light by myself, re expectation to win the WS. Some Red Sox fans may disagree with that, but that's just my opinion.

If the White Sox do win again, then they will most definitely not be the "Little Guy" anymore. Instead, they'll not only be a team expected to get into the playoffs every year, but to succeed at it. Therefore, I'd add their name to the "Braves, Cards, Yanks" amongst the playoff elite.

I don't root against any team other than the Red Sox. Some Yankee fans would add the Mets, but other than being our so-called crosstown rivals, they're only responsible for 6 out of 162 of our games. I can't say that most Mets fans I know would feel likewise, as many would like the Yanks to stumble.

To finally answer your question, I don't wish that the ChiSox fail. However, if they stumble while at Yankee Stadium or when hosting the Yanks, I would have no problem with this.

[VIBaseball]

But I think it has also to do with how Yankee fans behave. A lot behave like "We're the best and nobody can beat us".

This was the first thing that occurred to me, sorry to say. There are a lot of classy fans, including the majority here on this forum. But there is also a very prominent group of smug gloaters (at least when things are going the way they want) -- "26 CHAMPIONSHIPS BABY!"

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

"26 CHAMPIONSHIPS BABY!"

Yep. I like to rub this in to a good friend of mine. He is a Red Sox fan... :laugh :laugh :laugh

Of course I had to hear all 2005 that the Red Sox were better (trailing 3-0 etc.) What goes around, comes around...

[yankeekiller34BigPapi]

I was wondering if you guys also realize this and is it because everyone else just jealous because we win sooooooooooo!!!!!! much:D.

man do I hate when people say "we", so what year did you play for them? :laugh
thought so

[yankeekiller34BigPapi]

it might also have to do with the fact that NY is chock full of A-holes, do you think that might be why?
I don't hate the players, I hate most of the ignorant yankee fans.
I'm not being biased though, because Red Sox fans are A-holes too. Boston fans can really expose you: Celtics game against the Nets, a Celtics fan was holding up a sign for Jason Kidd that said "Wife Beater." haha Oh well, shouldn't hit your wife huh Jason? :laugh

[Mattingly]

it might also have to do with the fact that NY is chock full of A-holes, do you think that might be why?
I don't hate the players, I hate most of the ignorant yankee fans.
I'm not being biased though, because Red Sox fans are A-holes too. Boston fans can really expose you: Celtics game against the Nets, a Celtics fan was holding up a sign for Jason Kidd that said "Wife Beater." haha Oh well, shouldn't hit your wife huh Jason? :laugh
Very interesting viewpoint. Now if a Yankee fan came onto the Red Sox forum and spouted the same opinions of Red Sox fans, you wouldn't mind one bit, I suppose?

I find it very interesting how people are so defensive of their "own" forum, yet have no qualms about riling up fans on other forums.

You're a visitor here, so please act accordingly.

As to "we", I've heard many fans of many teams--including the Boston Red Sox--refer to their team in a "we" and "us" fashion. Can't be a team without the fans, so it's up to the individual.

[56 chmps]

"I don't really mind it. It all comes with the territory." - Pinstripe pride


like you said i normally don't mind it but it gets anoying. Some of the most annoying things are when people call you an a-hole or ignorant just for liking the yankees. Personally i think don't judge some you until you have actually had a converstion with them. Also I think that boston fans are more obnoxious then yankee fans(not saying because i am a yankee fan). For example the bullpen brawl, was that not enticed by the red sock fans.

And as for saying "we" grow up buddy way to pick out the smallest things.

[Mattingly]

like you said i normally don't mind it but it gets anoying. Some of the most annoying things are when people call you an a-hole or ignorant just for liking the yankees. Personally i think don't judge some you until you have actually had a converstion with them. Also I think that boston fans are more obnoxious then yankee fans(not saying because i am a yankee fan). For example the bullpen brawl, was that not enticed by the red sock fans.

And as for saying "we" grow up buddy way to pick out the smallest things.
I personally wouldn't get into any kind of name-calling here, even with fans of other teams. There are various Red Sox fans here and on other boards whom I'm proud to say have been excellent baseball fans as well as fans of their team. However, for winning teams, there will be homerism involved, and some individuals, due to socio-economic differences, and sometimes because they look, act and dress very differently, may not have any interest in one another as human beings.

That said, even if someone deserved it, I'd still refrain from being so brutally honest. All I've ever asked from any baseball fan is that they support their team, act in a quality manner, and at least try to know the history of the team, especially if it's a storied one, such as the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Reds, ChiSox, etc.

Amongst Red Sox fans, I've known that my favorites were the ones who unwaveringly stuck through their team through "thick and thin", and they weren't the least bit fair-weathered about this either. That's what made me admire them the most, since those were the ones who could be the least bit considered as front-runners.

Some have even stated that being a Red Sox fan mean you could *NEVER* be a front-runner. I'd disagree, since after the 2004 season, some simply expected to continue winning, and of those, some were really apprehensive at the thought that they would not win the WS or contend the following year.

I'm not saying that a Red Sox fan should quietly accept losing, but some, like some Yankee fans, will accept it better and won't really lash out at other fans, as if that's in support of their team.

I accepted defeat after the 2005 ALDS, and many of the Red Sox fans I know of did also for theirs (or their team's). Perhaps people could focus on the baseball aspect of things, rather than bashing and trashing others, especially since none of said others have done anything to provoke them. If you think someone's moral values aren't too high, at least act like a decent person yourself, so that way, you can at least be worthy of not being that person's equal.

Since this is an all-team forum, I believe that people can learn much by talking amongst one anothers, seeking out the more mature and considerate voices on all sides of the table, rather than the strongest and harshest reactions that often have the least thought put into said opinions.

[Pinstripe Pride]

Let me clarify...

As far as people in general and those I work with I might get an occasional "Hey what happen to your team last night?" when they lose and that's about it. When I wear my Yankees cap or shirts, I'll get a few comments from people who like them and from some who don't, but that's about it. Nothing major. That's the part I said "come with the territory". I do have a cousin who likes the Red Sox and I give him a hard time, but its all fun.

If I lived in the northeast, I'm sure the passion of many would escalate, especially at baseball games. If it got to the point of name-calling, which in my profession of coaching I hear from time-to-time, that would be diferent, I don't think I could tolerate that. Joking around is one thing, bashing is another.

[56 chmps]

I totally get what your saying pinstripe i have a cousin you guys know him as 55 chmps and as you can see in our names we have totally different baseball beliefs.

The whole point of this thread though was to see how people from every other fan base are always against the yankee's but that was leared up thanks to mattingly.

Also the most annoying part is the people who think yankee fans are ignorant (as stated in my last post) and front runners. the other point of this thread was to see if you guys got the same crap for being yankee fans.

And sorry mattingly for the rude remarks i will try to keep them on the down low.

[DoubleX]

it might also have to do with the fact that NY is chock full of A-holes, do you think that might be why?
I don't hate the players, I hate most of the ignorant yankee fans.
I'm not being biased though, because Red Sox fans are A-holes too. Boston fans can really expose you: Celtics game against the Nets, a Celtics fan was holding up a sign for Jason Kidd that said "Wife Beater." haha Oh well, shouldn't hit your wife huh Jason? :laugh

As Mattingly has already warned you, please dial it down. I lived in Boston for 5 years, and I can attest to a great wealth of Boston horror stories that likely rival, if not surpass, any thing you could say about Yankee fans.

So please, by all means, keep posting in the Yankees forum...I for one welcome opinions from other fans, especially Boston fans, but civility is key and is what make's baseball-fever a truly great site and one that differs from traps of fan ignorance and hate that run rampid on many other sites.

Thanks.

[Evangelion]

The generalization of Yankee and Red Sox fans will be around all the time. Some Red Sox fans will think all Yankee fans are ignorant and a-hole, of course that's just a mere generalization on the part of a few fans, doesn't speak for that entire fan base. Same can be said for Yankee fans that think all Red Sox fans are just a bunch of angsty sore losers. Once again, that point of view is not shared by every fan of that fan base. Generalization will be around forever.

Of course, if you know this, then you can seperate the good opinions from the bad and ignorant opinions. I know civil Yankee fans, but I also know some arrogant a-hole Yankee fans. I will not group entire fan base based on the few Yankee fans know, whether I would generalize Yankee fans being civil or a-holes. Like somebody said in this thread, get to know the person first before passing judgement.

There will be some stupid Red Sox and Yankee fans and there will also be some very intelligent one that wouldn't mouth off blindly and ignorantly. Just a fact you accept and get over. Don't like obnoxious fans of a team, you just ignore them. Very hard to carry a conversation with a person that think every Yankee player sucks, when that's obviously not true.
Also I think that boston fans are more obnoxious then yankee fans
That's a generalization you have created with your experience with Red Sox fans. I'm not trying to be rude or mean. This is the way I thinking I have got rid of myself. While I'm quite aware there's obnoxious Red Sox fans, there also obnoxious Yankee fans. It really doesn't matter which side is more obnoxious, they're both still obnoxious fans for each team around.

[DoubleX]

That's a generalization you have created with your experience with Red Sox fans. I'm not trying to be rude or mean. This is the way I thinking I have got rid of myself. While I'm quite aware there's obnoxious Red Sox fans, there also obnoxious Yankee fans. It really doesn't matter which side is more obnoxious, they're both still obnoxious fans for each team around.

Right on.

However, I think in both cases (again, I lived in Boston for nearly 5 years, so I have a pretty good impression of the fans up there as well as fans in New York, where I've lived the rest of my life), the bad probably outweighs the good. Or at least gets more attention than the good.

[Mattingly]

Basically, I give every fan a chance to show themselves. I've met excellent Yankee and Red Sox fans here and on other boards. Some will talk the smack all night on both sides of the plate/fence or whatever, and some will truly have a love for baseball followed by a love for the team.

I've known one thing in common with the ones I like that they love the game of baseball in its entirety than they love their team. I've followed Red Sox fans online about 5 or so years so, as before then, I hadn't chatted with them, other than the occasional meeting at Yankee Stadium.

If someone is truly enamored with the game itself, the various records, its history, its rules, its entirety, and are truly devoted to the sanctity of the game, then a wealth of knowledge about their team's history can only be a bonus. If, however, all they care about is their team, its standings at the end of every year and whether or not they trounce the other team involved in the heated AL East rivalry, I've usually kept my distance from those people, regardless of whether they're Yankee or Red Sox fans.

If people can get together like human beings, act like they're quality human beings when in mixed company, then so much the better. :)

[SoxSon]

Figured I'd chime in on this one.

I can't say that I've ever been a nasty fan. I've never booed anyone while at the park (though I support a fan's right to do so) and on the whole I've always looked at the game of baseball well before team rivalries, despite the historic, media-driven tensions between Boston and NY. I've rooted for the Red Sox my entire life, and I've rooted against Boston's opposing teams my entire life, but there also have always been individual players on each team whom I've liked (including NY). I like dedicated ballplayers with heart, and I don't really care which city they serve.

The reason I say all this is because I may be an exception to the common rule, I don't know. But in response to "Have you ever noticed," it seems my impressions of the Yankees and our "great" rivalry have shifted over the last few years. I'm sure that some will claim sacrilege when I say this, but the rivalry is seeming like less and less of a big deal. Maybe the last few years have gotten something out of my system. I'm not sure. I still want Boston to beat NY, naturally, but I think a combination of age and an intensifying love for the game of baseball has created for me a sport in which I just don't see any team in absolutes. We do all have far more in common as fans than we have different, and I tend to think that Boston and NY, in particular, are both great cities with phenomenal fanbases. I'm not sure there's anything more to say than that.

SoxSon

[DoubleX]

Figured I'd chime in on this one.

I can't say that I've ever been a nasty fan. I've never booed anyone while at the park (though I support a fan's right to do so) and on the whole I've always looked at the game of baseball well before team rivalries, despite the historic, media-driven tensions between Boston and NY. I've rooted for the Red Sox my entire life, and I've rooted against Boston's opposing teams my entire life, but there also have always been individual players on each team whom I've liked (including NY). I like dedicated ballplayers with heart, and I don't really care which city they serve.

The reason I say all this is because I may be an exception to the common rule, I don't know. But in response to "Have you ever noticed," it seems my impressions of the Yankees and our "great" rivalry have shifted over the last few years. I'm sure that some will claim sacrilege when I say this, but the rivalry is seeming like less and less of a big deal. Maybe the last few years have gotten something out of my system. I'm not sure. I still want Boston to beat NY, naturally, but I think a combination of age and an intensifying love for the game of baseball has created for me a sport in which I just don't see any team in absolutes. We do all have far more in common as fans than we have different, and I tend to think that Boston and NY, in particular, are both great cities with phenomenal fanbases. I'm not sure there's anything more to say than that.

SoxSon

Do you think your shift has anything to do with a change in the nature of the average fan in both sides? I find that the average fan on both sides has a certain blind ignorance and beligerrence to the rivalry and can't see baseball but in anything but the blurry Yankees/Red Sox lines, and even, their view is skewed by a blanket disdain for the other side.

[SoxSon]

Do you think your shift has anything to do with a change in the nature of the average fan in both sides? I find that the average fan on both sides has a certain blind ignorance and beligerrence to the rivalry and can't see baseball but in anything but the blurry Yankees/Red Sox lines, and even, their view is skewed by a blanket disdain for the other side.

For me, the largest factor has to do with the place I have come to in my own life. But you make an interesting point, XX. I do have a tendency to grow even calmer when I'm interacting with lunatics, and there seem to be plenty of those around sports as a whole.

What's always interesting is to take note of responses to "peace and love" posts like the one I wrote. I've noticed that more often than not, no one says anything. I don't know if this has to do with the ferocity of team allegiances or the apathy of the status quo. Either way, I generally take it as a general movement against the truce I envision. That's sort of remarkable in of itself. :)

[sandlot]

Do you think your shift has anything to do with a change in the nature of the average fan in both sides? I find that the average fan on both sides has a certain blind ignorance and beligerrence to the rivalry and can't see baseball but in anything but the blurry Yankees/Red Sox lines, and even, their view is skewed by a blanket disdain for the other side.There's been a shift in the nature of the population from which fans everywhere are drawn. Decency, manners and mutual respect are at all-time lows. Let's just look at what Howard Stern's being paid, and what he's being paid for -- lots of other examples, sure, the shock-jock's just an easy one. When there's almost no notion left of embarrassing oneself, how can we possibly expect people to concern themselves with embarrassing others? Asserting a team rivalry as sufficient reason for incivility and even anti-social conduct is just a pathetic attempt at justifying shamelessness and excusing hostility. Blind ignorance can be addressed through patience, reason and knowledge; degeneracy and dementia require something deeper. Paying money for a ticket doesn't buy someone the right to scream gross obscenities in a crowded bleacher, but there are plenty of people who mistakenly believe that it does.

[55 chmps]

There's been a shift in the nature of the population from which fans everywhere are drawn. Decency, manners and mutual respect are at all-time lows. Let's just look at what Howard Stern's being paid, and what he's being paid for -- lots of other examples, sure, the shock-jock's just an easy one. When there's almost no notion left of embarrassing oneself, how can we possibly expect people to concern themselves with embarrassing others? Asserting a team rivalry as sufficient reason for incivility and even anti-social conduct is just a pathetic attempt at justifying shamelessness and excusing hostility. Blind ignorance can be addressed through patience, reason and knowledge; degeneracy and dementia require something deeper. Paying money for a ticket doesn't buy someone the right to scream gross obscenities in a crowded bleacher, but there are plenty of people who mistakenly believe that it does.
ummm, i don't no what u just sed, but, can we getback to topic? Personally though, yeah there are some people who are front runners and everything, but whatever.

[SoxSon]

ummm, i don't no what u just sed, but, can we getback to topic? Personally though, yeah there are some people who are front runners and everything, but whatever.

Actually, I think sandlot's made an excellent observation about society's role in baseball's degeneration. Wasn't the idea of "team-bashing" the whole point of this thread? :confused:

[sandlot]

Thanks, SoxSon. My point exactly. The "shift" you write of strikes me as the natural result of simply getting older, maturing, and understanding what it really means to "get a life." I think a lot of the unpleasantry at games -- especially games played between intense rivals -- stems from the same kind of folks who make it equally unpleasant to go to a LL game or a Pop Warner contest. I now live in Asia and have for a long time, and while rudeness isn't unknown (especially in subways, and on buses) it's rarely personal. The use of public obscenities is generally frowned upon (though private language can be colorful indeed), and there is a certain level of politeness expected in civil discourse. But when I go back home and hear the tone of voice in which people speak to one another, even when they actually think they're being nice, I'm just appalled. That said, I've also heard some of the language used by rabid supporters of rival British football (soccer) teams, and it's way over the top. I hope we don't go down that road.

[56 chmps]

Wasn't the idea of "team-bashing" the whole point of this thread?


Actually if you READ the initial post you would see that wasn't the point. This was for YANKEE fans and other fans who realize how the YANKEES always get rooted against not what ever your talking about. Next time actually read what the thread is about.

[SoxSon]

Actually if you READ the initial post you would see that wasn't the point. This was for YANKEE fans and other fans who realize how the YANKEES always get rooted against not what ever your talking about. Next time actually read what the thread is about.

Your unwarranted hostility aside, I've reread the original post in this thread and come to the same conclusion. This thread is about team-bashing. (I also read the entire thread before posting.)

Here it is, simply put: The fact that so many people root against the Yankees is "team-bashing." Those people don't care about the players on the team; they just want the Yankees to do poorly. That's what you've just said, right? Sandlot and I were both talking about how society plays a role in the tendency for some people to team-bash. It's all part of the same discussion.

I hope that cleared it up for you.

[sandlot]

People engage in bashing for a lot of reasons, some of them conscious, some not. In the case of the Yankees, there are the obvious factors of resentment, jealousy and, to a degree, social class identification. You can see the same thing at work with Manchester United (which, not entirely coincidentally, has business ties with NY), or Real Madrid, or -- during their incredible heyday -- the Boston Celtics. Twenty-six WS rings while other teams have one or none is bound to create some ill will, especially when the charge has always been that NY "buys" its championships. The rich vs. poor thing. Is there similar resentment in some quarters against Atlanta's perennial domination of its division? I don't know the answer to that, but I'd be surprised if there were not some hard feelings. But there's a distinction between, on the one hand, a normal level of intense, even passionate rivalry, and, on the other hand, conduct that is unbecoming, vulgar, vitriolic, obscene, aggressive, hostile and even threatening. The latter does not arise from the rivalry; it is something that the individual brings to it from his or her own life. I happen to believe that the conduct inside stadiums, especially YS and Fenway, just reflects what's happening outside the ballyard. For some folks, the Yankees just bring it out.

[Mattingly]

Actually if you READ the initial post you would see that wasn't the point. This was for YANKEE fans and other fans who realize how the YANKEES always get rooted against not what ever your talking about. Next time actually read what the thread is about.
Actually, any post here is for anyone else. SoxSon has spent a good amount of time here, and I've even invited him into one or two threads here. Possibly this one also.

Yankee fans have posted into the Red Sox forum, so his entry here shouldn't be considered an issue. If so, please PM me.

Thanks. :)

[56 chmps]

Actually, any post here is for anyone else. SoxSon has spent a good amount of time here, and I've even invited him into one or two threads here. Possibly this one also.

Yankee fans have posted into the Red Sox forum, so his entry here shouldn't be considered an issue. If so, please PM me.

Thanks. :)

I toatally realized that, thats why i put and other fan's who realize this.