Idea for pitching rotation next year.

[Tinyballer]

Since our roation seems to be filled with people who have problems with arm wearing down and injuries aka Mussina Wright Pavono Chacon Wang why not we go with a six man roation instead of five. We could go:
1.Johnson
2.Mussina
3.Pavono
4.Chacon
5.Wang
6.Wright
Maybe doing this we would keep the arms fresher and healthier meaning less injuries and more energy for post season??? What do you think???

[BasEbaLlKnoItAll]

I dont like that. We need to stick with 5, with 6 too many guys would get rusty, you have to also consider that majority of the time an off day will be thrown in there so these guys will a lot of the times be pitching on 6 days rest...NO GOOD

I say go with this:

Johnson
Mussina
Wang
Pavano
Chacon

Throw Small and Wright in the bullpen. Small can be an effective long man and Wright's power arm could do us some good in the pen.

[Blackout]

Johnson
Mussina
Chacon
Wang
Small/Pavano

screw Wright

[farmsystem]

It's good to have pitching depth. You never know about injuries and effectiveness. I hope that they all stay healthy and pitch well. If they don't then I could see the Yankees going after a front line starter.

[Blackout]

I still hope we sign Roger

[56 chmps]

Just a question do we still have small / is he still in the majors ?

[Blackout]

we still have Small

[Tinyballer]

We need to go after barry zito he is in the last year of his contract and the As dunt think they can resign him. We should trade for him and try to resign him. If we do get him we would have
1.Johnson
2.Zito
3.Mussina
4.Wang
5.Chacon

LRP Pavono
LRP Wright
LRP Small

this roation might be able to make yankees unbeatable again and why didn't we go after beckett

[monkey333]

We need to go after barry zito he is in the last year of his contract and the As dunt think they can resign him. We should trade for him and try to resign him. If we do get him we would have
1.Johnson
2.Zito
3.Mussina
4.Wang
5.Chacon

LRP Pavono
LRP Wright
LRP Small

this roation might be able to make yankees unbeatable again and why didn't we go after beckett
Because the asking price for Beckett was Cano and/ or Wang, not too mention we'd have to take on Mike Lowell as well. I'm a big doubter of how successful Beckett will be for the Sox anyway........

As for Zito. No way. I'd love to have the guy but we'd have to deal with Beane and you know he wouldn't come cheap.

As for Roger, I can see it now the offensive is keeping the team above water in the playoff race but the pitching has fallen apart. Then midseason the Yanks sign him up and he anchors the staff all the way to another WS. :D
Or at least that's how my story would go........

[BasEbaLlKnoItAll]

I still hope we sign Roger
Me Too, I am against signing any more pitchers due to the number of guys we have already...but I would gladly make an exception for my hero!!

We need to go after barry zito he is in the last year of his contract and the As dunt think they can resign him. We should trade for him and try to resign him. If we do get him we would have
1.Johnson
2.Zito
3.Mussina
4.Wang
5.Chacon

LRP Pavono
LRP Wright
LRP Small

this roation might be able to make yankees unbeatable again and why didn't we go after beckett
As nice as Zito sounds, we cant get any more pitchers without unloading some (which would likely be the case if we were to trade for Zito, which wont happen). Also, Pavano wouldnt pitch out of the pen, he would start over Chacon or be traded. Another thing...in the rotation you have listed up there why would you have the only 2 lefties in the rotation going back to back, you should mix them up, make it:
Johnson
Mussina
Zito
Wang
Pavano/Chacon

Also, im glad we didnt go after Beckett, since 2003 he has been nothing bit inconsistant..thats when he is on the field.

[56 chmps]

1.Mussina ( i like him better then Johnson )
2.Johnson ( gettin old )
3.Pavono ( hopefully won't get injured this year )
4.Chacon ( i like him and hes reliable )
5.Wang ( potential )
6.Small ( he proved himself worthy last year, I think )

Personally i also like the six man rotation stragety.

[Blackout]

Randy Johnson is better than Mussina in every catagory other than ugliness

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

1. Mussina
2. Johnson
3. Wang
4. Small
5. Pavano

Long Relief: Chacon

Chacon can fit in when someone of the starting rotation will be injured.

[Evangelion]

Beckett inconsistant? He was 15-8 last season with an ERA of 3.37 and striked out 166 men in 178.2 IP last season, too. That's not inconsistant, that's what most people call good for a starting pitching. The only question about Beckett is his injury problems with his shoulder and blister, not his talent and consistant starting pitching.

I doubt Zito will be a Yankee in 06, but in 07? That's possible. I don't see the A's dealing Zito to the Yankees unless the Yankees dangled a prospect the A's really wanted and if the A's are out of the race around the trading deadline. Still, I doubt the A's would deal with the Yankees, because we know how much Beane like the Yankees. :laugh

1. Johnson
2. Mussina
3. Wang
4. Chacon
5. Pavano

Small the back-up starter before Wright, because of what Small did last year. Though, we have to admit Wright did look solid last year after he return from injury and before he was knocked out again by injury. Of course, I still think both Small and Wright had fluke seasons last year when they were good.

I like Chacon, as I've stated many times. Cashman stole this dude from Rockies and most people thought he was a reject. Well, most people think pitchers from the Rockies are rejects, but not Chacon. Once he got out of the pitcher's hell hole of Coors Field, I knew he was going to be a solid starting pitcher. He need to be in this rotation start of next season.

Pavano need to prove he's not just some fluke himself. I still think he is, but you never know, he might surprise people next year. If he's a bust again, I don't expect the Yankees to be able to get much for him as they are at this current moment. Keep your fingers cross with Pavano. I knew his signing was going to be troublesome, glad the Sox didn't get him last season. :coffee

1.Mussina ( i like him better then Johnson )
2.Johnson ( gettin old )
They're both getting old. :laugh

[pacewon]

I still think Pavano will be dealt before the season begins.

[BasEbaLlKnoItAll]

I still think Pavano will be dealt before the season begins.
I hope not, I hope we stick with ihim. Last year was rough but a lot of guys need a year to adjust.

[DoubleX]

If I had my druthers, I would have had traded Pavano and/or Wright. But since they are both still on the team, my biggest objective is to keep Wright as far as way as possible from the rotation and not take a spot that should go to Chacon or Wang. Here's how I'd set it up.

Johnson
Mussina
Chacon
Pavano
Wang

I'm particularly excited to see Chacon over a full-season. He showed a ton of poise last year, often pitching his best to get out of some tight jams. Now that he's away from Colorado, I expect that terrific curveball of his to only get better.

[Mattingly]

I hope not, I hope we stick with ihim. Last year was rough but a lot of guys need a year to adjust.
I'll agree on the adjustment period, per Clemens in 1999. However, you need to at least pitch during said adjustment period, don't you? Clemens pitched in and won Game 4 of that WS, whereas Pavano sat out the playoffs.

I'm willing to stick with him if he can stay healthy. I'm hoping that he's not another Javier Vazquez/Matt Clement type, whereby he has a fantastic 1st half, but a dismal 2nd half. Javy's 4-bagger to Damon didn't help matters much in the 2004 ALCS, Game 7.

If Javier is given a chance, I'd like to see what kind of pitcher he actually is, given that he's not still griping about being traded, and this done only after having signed a big buck$ contract, on George's payroll.

To me, Pavano and Wright are insurance for one another, just as El Duque and Boomer seemed to be the same around 2003. Neither one of them seems overly reliable in terms of stability, but if they can somehow avoid getting hurt at the same time, we may have at least one of them pitching for us. Now if their combined salaries weren't in the $17m/yr range, that would be even better.

[Mattingly]

If I had my druthers, I would have had traded Pavano and/or Wright. But since they are both still on the team, my biggest objective is to keep Wright as far as way as possible from the rotation and not take a spot that should go to Chacon or Wang. Here's how I'd set it up.

Johnson
Mussina
Chacon
Pavano
Wang

I'm particularly excited to see Chacon over a full-season. He showed a ton of poise last year, often pitching his best to get out of some tight jams. Now that he's away from Colorado, I expect that terrific curveball of his to only get better.
I wouldn't say we have a blistering, totally dominant rotation, but at least we have a few luxuries. We've got more starting pitchers than we need, and several of them, such as Small, Wang and possibly Wright, could all come out of the bullpen if need be. Regardless of how good your rotation is on paper, injuries happen, and flexibility, as well as players' willingness and capability of being swing pitchers, is definitely a plus.

I agree with your list. However, while Wang didn't look as good in the ALDS as during the regular season, he's still pretty young. Pavano seems to have lots more to prove, especially after getting a 4-year pricey deal with essential one good season under his belt.

[Tinyballer]

Umm i dunt think wang can come out of the bullpen very well because if you've noticed the time he struggles most in a game is in the first inning and when he starts to get tired so its not very true to think he is a bullpen option. but chacon can come outta the pen he was a closer i believe

[Mattingly]

Umm i dunt think wang can come out of the bullpen very well because if you've noticed the time he struggles most in a game is in the first inning and when he starts to get tired so its not very true to think he is a bullpen option. but chacon can come outta the pen he was a closer i believe
I hadn't realized that. I'll have to check his first inning performance a little closer. I was mostly judging how he'd done against Boston and a few others when he was relegated to the bullpen last season. After Mussina didn't do so well, he came in and stopped the number of runs allowed.

In either case, Aaron Small can certainly come out of the pen and go into the rotation if we need him, so even if Wang isn't the first choice, we have enough versatility to overcome possible injuries to multiple pitchers.

[constantine603]

Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Wang
Chacon
Wright


I REALLY like the idea of having a six man rotation.
Especially, with Mussina and Johnson's old arms and Pavano being injury prone.

Plus this way you give Wright a chance to show what he can do for the team without just throwing him into the bullpen.

Don't get me wrong this will probably not last long. Either someone will get hurt or someone will have trouble. It just seems the best for the start of the year.

[Evangelion]

I hadn't realized that. I'll have to check his first inning performance a little closer.
I'm baffled by how bad his numbers are in the first inning, so Tinyballer's point was correct and very good. :coffee

Wang has a whopping ERA of 7.41 in the first inning. Allowing 24 hits and 14 earn runs in only 17 starters in the first inning. So, he might not be the greatest option out the bullpen while, as you mention, Small can come out of the bullpen and I think would be more solid. Wang has also only had one career bullpen appearance, so if they want him to come out of the bullpen, they need to work with him during Spring Training. Oh, wait, is he even going to be there or going to be WBC? :confused:

[Tinyballer]

If you had to only start five you would have to start Johnson Mussina Wang Pavono and Wright and use small and chacon outta the pen and can i remind you that Chacon was once a closer in the impossible to pitch conditions of colardado?

[Evangelion]

If you had to only start five you would have to start Johnson Mussina Wang Pavono and Wright and use small and chacon outta the pen and can i remind you that Chacon was once a closer in the impossible to pitch conditions of colardado?
Still, Chacon prove he could be an effective starter last season. He deserve a spot in the rotation and if you can use a player who can be very good starter, you would use him as a starter over a reliever. Wright and Pavano should be the odd men out of the rotation at this point due to last year disappointment by both of them.

Make Wright work out of the bullpen for long relief and keep Chacon in the rotation. I think you prefer six or seven solid innings from Chacon than just one solid inning every so now and then. :coffee

[Tinyballer]

if i had my way the starting rotaion would be this johnson mussina wang chacon and Pavono and i would wanna toss jaret wright for some conterdor thats desperate for pitching umm Texas??? but i dunt have my way i am just stating the possibilities. actually to tell u the truth i would LOVE to see chacon stuff it seems his curveball breaks a lot better in new york than in dever.

[AVA8]

Unit, Moose, Chacon, Wang, Pavano.

I was really liking what Small did last year but think he should be the long relief man, unless someone gets injured. Wright really needs to go. I would entertain all trades for Pavano and be happy with Small as the 5th starter and Wright as a long reliever or gone

[Tinyballer]

Well i don't think its a good thing to think about not starting small. Small is a good pitcher but no ones going to be like o crap i am facing Aaron Small but some people will go oh crap i am facing Carl Pavono. Pavono's stuff is a lot nastier than wut small has. This is why we should try to acquire another big named starter dunno who but someone