The official Giant/Dodger rivalry thread

[mojorisin71]

dodgers = red sox west = giants south

what kinda math is this, mojo? :mad:
It's the McCourt theory in calculus.

We have some former Red Sox (Mueller, Nomar, Lowe, Little) and the owner himself is a Bostonian. Then there's the ex-Giant factor (Kent, Tomko, Cruz, Ledée, Mueller). And there were published reports here that Colletti (another ex-Giant employee) was in talks with JT Snow and Reggie Sanders (two former Giants; Reggie is now in KC). Hence the McCourtian equation.

[Mariachiman]

I wouldn't care if we went 0 for whatever against the Giants as long as we won the NL West, NL pennent and World Series. Beating the Giants is not as important as winning

[Mariachiman]

It's the McCourt theory in calculus.

We have some former Red Sox (Mueller, Nomar, Lowe, Little) and the owner himself is a Bostonian. Then there's the ex-Giant factor (Kent, Tomko, Cruz, Ledée, Mueller). And there were published reports here that Colletti (another ex-Giant employee) was in talks with JT Snow and Reggie Sanders (two former Giants; Reggie is now in KC). Hence the McCourtian equation.


Some Angel fan in this thread called us the San Francisco Dodgers of Boston which I thought was quite funny

[west coast orange and black]

in other words, the mc courtian equation is for teams still learning how to put a team together.

[west coast orange and black]

"the San Francisco Dodgers of Boston" is funny. but to me the team is simply "the hated dodgers"

[mojorisin71]

in other words, the mc courtian equation is for teams still learning how to put a team together.
Absolutely. However, as is usually the case, all new theories pass through three steps:

1) It is ridiculed.
2) It is violently opposed.
3) It is accepted as self-evident.

We shall see about the third step in nine months.

[Mariachiman]

The media gives McCourt the raw deal in my opinion.

[west coast orange and black]

all new theories pass through three steps:

1) It is ridiculed.
2) It is violently opposed.
3) It is accepted as self-evident...

if it is intelligently designed.:rolleyes:

[yankeekiller34BigPapi]

But it is mainly about the greatest rivarly in Professional Sports

okay the dodgers are looking good for 06', but GREATEST rivalry, are you high?

how about RedSox and Yanks, heard of them? hope you said that jokingly

[mojorisin71]

if it is intelligently designed.:rolleyes:

I see you are following Step 1.

[Elvis]

okay the dodgers are looking good for 06', but GREATEST rivalry, are you high?

how about RedSox and Yanks, heard of them? hope you said that jokingly

What makes the red Sox/Yankees rivalry better than the Giants/Dodgers? They're both intense, historic, bitter, competitive and unforgiving in their heartbreak.

Just because ESPN favors hyping the right coast rivalry doesn't make it greater.

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Re: California Water rights. What the hell does the Colorado River and the Sierras have to do with baseball? :noidea

[west coast orange and black]

step off, yankeekiller

[west coast orange and black]

mojo: I see you are following Step 1.

what ever do you mean? :rolleyes:

[Jake83]

okay the dodgers are looking good for 06', but GREATEST rivalry, are you high?

how about RedSox and Yanks, heard of them? hope you said that jokingly


I see someone has been watching a little too much ESPN.

[west coast orange and black]

mojo: We shall see about the third step in nine months.

nostradamus stated: "the hated dodgers? in 2006? :laugh :laugh :laugh "

i do believe that quote to be accurate..

[west coast orange and black]

i do not agree here: 2006 NL WEST CHAMPIONS

but i do agree here: I see someone has been watching a little too much ESPN.

[mojorisin71]

okay the dodgers are looking good for 06', but GREATEST rivalry, are you high?

how about RedSox and Yanks, heard of them? hope you said that jokingly
Yeah, I've heard of Yankees/Red Sox. But I prefer not to succumb to ESPN hype. There ARE sports rivalries west of the Hudson.

[Jake83]

Absolutely. However, as is usually the case, all new theories pass through three steps:

1) It is ridiculed.
2) It is violently opposed.
3) It is accepted as self-evident.

We shall see about the third step in nine months.


What part of hiring Depdesta and firing him plays in McCourt's theory. Did he want the media and people to be even more opposed to him as the owner.

Maybe then if he wins it will be even more bittersweet

[Jake83]

i do not agree here: 2006 NL WEST CHAMPIONS

but i do agree here: I see someone has been watching a little too much ESPN.


Hopefully you do not agree with my User Title.

[west coast orange and black]

^^ infighting at bb-f... just like in the hated dodgers' dugout.

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: Hopefully you do not agree with my User Title.

i had a champion akita for 13+ years named jake, so no hard take on the name.

[Jake83]

^^ infighting at bb-f... just like in the hated dodgers' dugout.


Do not worry the people of the East Bay will love Milton Bradley.

[west coast orange and black]

i do not agree here: 2006 NL WEST CHAMPIONS
nor here: Whoever your team is the Dodgers are better

but i do agree here: I see someone has been watching a little too much ESPN.

[mojorisin71]

What part of hiring Depdesta and firing him plays in McCourt's theory. Did he want the media and people to be even more opposed to him as the owner.

Maybe then if he wins it will be even more bittersweet
DePodesta seemed to know what he was doing until the 2004 offseason, and then the wheels fell off. He said in September of 2004 that he basically pulled off the LoDuca trade for the sake of doing it, but ultimately he got schooled in the art of the deal during the GM meetings. It's not like McCourt planned it to go that way.

And McCourt isn't shielded from Dodger fans' criticisms anyway. He knows what the majority of us think of him.

WCOAB: The 72-74 A's didn't get along, and yet they still three-peated. Shows you how far chemistry gets you.

[Jake83]

DePodesta seemed to know what he was doing until the 2004 offseason, and then the wheels fell off. He said in September of 2004 that he basically pulled off the LoDuca trade for the sake of doing it, but ultimately he got schooled in the art of the deal during the GM meetings. It's not like McCourt planned it to go that way.

What do you put into the Lasorda/Depodesta feud that according to some ended Depodesta as the GM.

And McCourt isn't shielded from Dodger fans' criticisms anyway. He knows what the majority of us think of him.



The media plays alot Dodger fans like a puppetmaster in the sense of who to blame

Never when McCourt did something right up untill this offseason has he been credited.

[west coast orange and black]

mojo: DePodesta seemed to know what he was doing until the 2004 offseason, and then the wheels fell off.
actually, i heard someone quoted as saying "podestie, yer doin' a heckuva job."



The 72-74 A's didn't get along, and yet they still three-peated.
once the hated dodgers pool that kinda talent then they can fight and still win.

[Jake83]

Furcal- The off the field isues are troublesome but him coming from the Braves and them wanting him backs says alot about him in the clubhouse and as a player

Lofton- A vetern who knows how to win. Had trouble early in his carrer in Cleveland but none since


Mueller- From what I hear an excellent team leader

Nomar- A reserved player in the clubhouse

Out of the new major accusitions I do not see any problems and Milton was traded and he alone caused the tension in the Dodger clubhouse

[mojorisin71]

That's why they play the games. On paper, the Yankees would win the WS every year.

To Jake:

Lasorda ceased to be relevant in 1996. Unfortunately, in McCourt's desire to uphold "Dodger tradition," Lasorda had too much of a say in the team's affairs. And what was the point of letting Tracy go if his boss was canned three weeks after? Didn't he leave because he didn't get along with DePodesta? Not a very smart move.

[west coast orange and black]

no beef with furcal, who felt a bit disrespected (read: underpaid).

lofton has been a loudmouth his entire career. mor bark than bite, but he does occassionally cause trouble.

mueller is a gamer and a terrific teammate, but is no way a team leader.

agree on garciaparra.

rare is the case where one man alone causes tension. two, usually, to tango.

[Jake83]

To Jake:

Lasorda ceased to be relevant in 1996. Unfortunately, in McCourt's desire to uphold "Dodger tradition," Lasorda had too much of a say in the team's affairs. And what was the point of letting Tracy go if his boss was canned three weeks after? Didn't he leave because he didn't get along with DePodesta? Not a very smart move.

Lasorda was a great manager but since he has positons in the front offices it has a nightmare. Tracy was a scapegoat for last season plain and simple. Depodesta why he was fired is a bit more complicated to analyze

[west coast orange and black]

mojo: Didn't [Tracy] leave because he didn't get along with DePodesta? Not a very smart move.

i seem to recall someone sayin' "podestie, yer doin' a heckuva job." :rolleyes:

[Jake83]

no beef with furcal, who felt a bit disrespected (read: underpaid).

lofton has been a loudmouth his entire career. mor bark than bite, but he does occassionally cause trouble.

mueller is a gamer and a terrific teammate, but is no way a team leader.

agree on garciaparra.

rare is the case where one man alone causes tension. two, usually, to tango.


But he challenged Kent as team leader. Only player who I see that came in who may is Furcal. I didn't see Furcal challenge Chipper Jones or John Smoltz in Atlanta

In the case of Kent and Bradley either player didn't respect the other.

[west coast orange and black]

who is the "he" in "he challenged kent"?

[Jake83]

who is the "he" in "he challenged kent"?


The new Oakland A's right fielder

[west coast orange and black]

oh, ok. but isn't it billy mueller who's gonna lead the team? :p

[Jake83]

Dodger and A's fans have a genuine respect for one another and dislike the same two teams the Giants and Angels. Alot of Dodger fans favorite AL team is Oakland and alot of A's fans favorite NL is the Dodgers

I want to pose this question to the Giants and Angels fans why is there not the same respect bewteen you guys. Is it the 2002 World Series.

[Jake83]

oh, ok. but isn't it billy mueller who's gonna lead the team? :p


Maybe so. Anyway I think clubhouse and team chemistry are giving way too much credit.

[west coast orange and black]

a's fans are about as blase as on can see, except for the flag-wavers and those incessantly obnoxious drummers in the bleachers. how do you figure the respect thing?

also, how do you figure the interleague communal society between the blue and the green?
was there a poll somewhere?

i also do not get your idea that giants and angels fans do not respect one another. where do you get this?

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: I think clubhouse and team chemistry are giving way too much credit.

agreed, man.

[Jake83]

also, how do you figure the interleague communal society between the blue and the green?
was there a poll somewhere?
I haven't seen a poll but after attending school in the Bay Area and attending many A's games and talking with A's fans I have the sense. As a Dodger fan I know how alot of other Dodgers fans feel about the A's


also, i do not get your idea that giants and angels fans do not respect one another. where do you get this?
Maybe there is I haven't seen it yet. That is why I posed the question. Is there

[KHenry14]

I want to pose this question to the Giants and Angels fans why is there not the same respect bewteen you guys. Is it the 2002 World Series.

Speaking as a Giants fan, I hold no emnity against the Angels for 2002. I hold some against Dusty, but that's another thread! :laugh

If the Giants had to lose to somebody, I'm glad it was the Angels. Had it been the Yanks, that would have been a different story.

KH14

[west coast orange and black]

unknowingly, henry just spoke for about 22,000,000 or so giants fans.

[Jake83]

unknowingly, henry just spoke for about 22,000,000 or so giants fans.


That number is a little high don't you think:laugh :laugh

[BayBaseballFan]

Dodger and A's fans have a genuine respect for one another and dislike the same two teams the Giants and Angels. Alot of Dodger fans favorite AL team is Oakland and alot of A's fans favorite NL is the Dodgers

I want to pose this question to the Giants and Angels fans why is there not the same respect bewteen you guys. Is it the 2002 World Series.


I respect the Angels but I do not think the hate of the A's and Giants fans is very mutual. Speaking for myself i never really disliked or even cared about the A's.

[BayBaseballFan]

Maybe so. Anyway I think clubhouse and team chemistry are giving way too much credit.


It is matters the team if you have a very talented club it doesn't make a difference. For a team that may not have the talent having clubhouse chemistry is a key for winning.

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: That number is a little high...
not according to my source.

[Mattingly]

If the Giants had to lose to somebody, I'm glad it was the Angels. Had it been the Yanks, that would have been a different story.

KH14
There's a 20-year Giants fan who's huge on our 24-hour all-sports radio, WFAN (aka, "the FAN"). Chris "Mad Dog" Russo, who had one huge assault on Yankee fans 3 winters ago, as in, "We went to the WS and your team got knocked out in the 1st round" type of thing. Mike Lupica couldn't have done better than this guy if he'd been paid extra. Just blistering, getting Yankee fans all riled up.

Interestingly, his 1-5pm show (Mike and the Mad Dog (Mike is a Yankee fan)) fills out the afternoon drive, and is played on YES, to avoid having to create more programming. So here he is on George's YES network bashing the crap out of the Yankees, and there's absolutely *NOTHING* that can be done. Crazy.

Had that happened, several of us were considering that if we'd won, should we have him join the Yankee parade? If so, I'm sure that sales of tomatoes and eggs would've been brisk! :D

Of course if we'd have lost, well ... several of us would've exercised our right to flip the channel. Still, would the Dodgers fans here have forgiven us for losing? Then again, would several other fans have forgiven the Giants and their fans for losing to us?

[Dravecky43]

I respect the Angels but I do not think the hate of the A's and Giants fans is very mutual. Speaking for myself i never really disliked or even cared about the A's.
Same here. I follow and occasionally root for both the Angels and the A's. Especially when they play the hated dodgers.

[Dravecky43]

We borrow. We give you guys the chance to come down and be in the sun for awhile.
There's usually quite a bit of sun in Northern and Central Cali. Well, sometimes too much sun in the Valley.

Anything North of the grapevine I stay away from.
I'm sorry.

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: [22,000,000] is a little high don't you think.

don't forget the tens millions of fans in japan.

[UnderPressure]

Jake83: [22,000,000] is a little high don't you think.

don't forget the tens millions of fans in japan.

LOL. Good one.

[Mattingly]

Question: 2002 World Series of Angels vs Giants. I'm sure who those teams' respective fans were rooting for, but who were the Dodgers and other California teamfans rooting for? Or were they even rooting at all for either?

[UnderPressure]

Of course, I was rooting for the Angels. But if it were a Dodger-A's World Series, Angel fans would root for their division rivals, the A's.

[Brannu]

I remeber thinking for sure that The Giants would win that World Series, and really distasting the fact that The Angels pulled it off. Although I am a Dodgers fan ... and I'm more into The Angels now that they have Vlad, Colon, Figgins, Cabrera ... I secretely wanted The Giants to win. I hated The Angels more than I hated The Giants.

[Mattingly]

Nice replies. Keep 'em comin'! :D

Addendum: if the Giants had won, what would the Dodgers fans have been able to say (or not say) re the "No WS victories since moving out west"? Kinda like the infamous "1918" cheer by Yankee fans against a certain New England team 200+ miles up north.

[mojorisin71]

Nice replies. Keep 'em comin'! :D

Addendum: if the Giants had won, what would the Dodgers fans have been able to say (or not say) re the "No WS victories since moving out west"? Kinda like the infamous "1918" cheer by Yankee fans against a certain New England team 200+ miles up north.

We occasionally chant "'54," but it gets drowned out by the "BALCO" chants in the bleachers.

[sandlot]

It seems that city or other geographical rivalries feed into team rivalries. People in SF have long had an attitude toward Oakland and the East Bay, and that preceded the arrival of the Giants. It's had a class aspect -- trendy sophisticates vs. the blue-collar folks. In addition, SF and much of Northern California has long had a superiority complex regarding LA and Southern California, and this was the case before either the Giants or the Dodgers showed up on the California sporting scene. (There was once a much-discussed proposal to split the state into two states, and even to join No. Cal. with Oregon to create a state called Ecoptopia.) Of course, there are resentments in the other direction. The sports teams just built on these rivalries and fed off them. (The 49ers and Raiders epitomized the East Bay-West Bay differences, especially in the Stabler-Alzado era.) I think if the Dodgers played just about anybody in the WS, Giants fans would root for the other team, but I doubt they'd feel much passion for the Angels either way. But if Oakland goes to the Series, then I think that despite the cross-Bay rivalry, most Giants fans would like to see them win -- so long as they're not playing SF. Maybe NYY fans feel the same way about the Mets?

[Elvis]

Question: 2002 World Series of Angels vs Giants. I'm sure who those teams' respective fans were rooting for, but who were the Dodgers and other California teamfans rooting for? Or were they even rooting at all for either?

I was hoping that E.T.'s would've choosen October, 2002 to make World contact, thereby making the '02 World Series virtually meaningless, or maybe a wormhole would've opened up and transported the two teams into another universe...or somehow both teams would've been found gambling or otherwise cheating and both teams declared losers.

Actually although I'm not an Angel fan anymore (Yes, they were the first team I rooted for when I was a little kid and didn't know any better) I was pleased with the results of that series.

A.T.B.G. (Any Team But the Gints)

One more thing. I never actually disliked the Angels until a couple of years ago when I went to my first interleague game between the Dodgers and Angels at The Ravine and saw how most of the Angel fans were conducting themselves. Obnoxious and smarmy. :(

[mojorisin71]

Question: 2002 World Series of Angels vs Giants. I'm sure who those teams' respective fans were rooting for, but who were the Dodgers and other California teamfans rooting for? Or were they even rooting at all for either?
I rooted for the Angels in 2002, only because there was no one else to root for. The Angels had a hot streak in late August (I think they went 17-3 during the A's 20-game winning streak), and they hammered Yankees pitching. The Twins series was anti-climactic, and when they swept the last four games of the ALCS, I knew they were on a roll.

I was in Monterey (Giants territory) during Game 6, and the newspapers treated it as if it were a national tragedy. I rushed back home that day in order to catch Game 7 on TV, and I was surprised at ESPNRadio's range (I started picking up the game in Paso Robles, midway between LA and SF).

Ahh, the memories.

[ArtfulDodger]

My favorite teams are the Dodgers and anyone who beats the Giants. PS - This is my first post, so go easy on me!

[Dravecky43]

My favorite teams are the Dodgers and anyone who beats the Giants. PS - This is my first post, so go easy on me!
Welcome to this organized mess. And the same "favorite teams" thinking goes for this Giants' fan, just the other way around. Hmm. I just stated the obvious.

[Elvis]

My favorite teams are the Dodgers and anyone who beats the Giants. PS - This is my first post, so go easy on me!

Welcome, friend! :waving

[Brannu]

My favorite teams are the Dodgers and anyone who beats the Giants. PS - This is my first post, so go easy on me!

Are you a transplanted fan or just not interested in your AL and NL central options?

[Jake83]

I as well as other Dodger fans look at the Angels as our little brother. Because of this we supported them during tbe 2002 Playoffs and their World Series win. With their sucess the last few years Angel fans have began to look at themselves as equal or above the Dodgers. With this and the name change last offseason the Angel-Dodger so-called rivarly has gained new energy. Now alot of Dodger fans look in a negative way towards the Angels

[Mattingly]

My favorite teams are the Dodgers and anyone who beats the Giants. PS - This is my first post, so go easy on me!
Please introduce yourself. Any reference to the Dodgers, your length of support of them, your favorite players, moments, etc, would be greatly appreciated.

Also, any opinions of yours on the Giants, Angels and the whole "rivalry" thing amongst California teams would be greatly appreciated! :)

[west coast orange and black]

ArtfulDodger: My favorite teams are the Dodgers and anyone who beats the Giants.

please introduce yourself, as any and all references to the hated dodgers must be recorded.

also, any opinions on the giants that are not favorable are not appreciated!

:D

[Jake83]

Let me pose this question to the Gnat fans. Do you really believe you guys have a chance in the NL West now after we have fixed are biggest problem with the trade for Baez.

[Ursa Major]

Career 3.69 ERA? Under .500 won/loss percentage? Doesn't have us shaking in our boots.

Jake, we hear this every dang winter when the team is well run! But the chemistry all goes in the crapper at some point during the season. And now, with a new GM and manager under the sterling guidance of Jamie McCourt and her "financed by debt" infrastructure, we should think the team will somehow gel and turn into the San Antonio Spurs? If there's any team in major league baseball that should not be looking at player acquisitions and penciling in October playoff dates, it's yours.

[Jake83]

Career 3.69 ERA? Under .500 won/loss percentage? Doesn't have us shaking in our boots.

Jake, we hear this every dang winter when the team is well run! But the chemistry all goes in the crapper at some point during the season. And now, with a new GM and manager under the sterling guidance of Jamie McCourt and her "financed by debt" infrastructure, we should think the team will somehow gel and turn into the San Antonio Spurs? If there's any team in major league baseball that should not be looking at player acquisitions and penciling in October playoff dates, it's yours.


Do you really think it would be a difficult accompolishment for the Dodgers to win the NL West next year

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Hey Jake,

Why didn't Ng get the Dodgers' GM job? :noidea

[Jake83]

Hey Jake,

Why didn't Ng get the Dodgers' GM job? :noidea


We wanted to become stronger as we made our enemy weaker

[KHenry14]

Let me pose this question to the Gnat fans. Do you really believe you guys have a chance in the NL West now after we have fixed are biggest problem with the trade for Baez.

Uh Jake, lessee, the Giants sign a strong #2 starter to go with a strong staff to begin with and the Dodgers get a relief guy? You should have re-signed Weaver instead, at least his arm wont go dead.

And any team that thinks signing Kenny Lofton was a good idea is in trouble. This isn't the Lofton from 1997, and that's why the Giants dumped him three years ago.

KH14

[Honus Wagner Rules]

We wanted to become stronger as we made our enemy weaker

:noidea :noidea :noidea

Seriously, why didn't Kim Ng get the job? Colletti kept her as his assistant GM.

[AstroBrit]

The Dodgers have a great offense, but their pitching isn't great. The addition of Seo from the Mets helps a bit.

I don't particularly like Barry, but I think him gulfing home runs into the bay is good for baseball. I honestly think that an MVP type Bonds will lift the rest of his teammates.

[mojorisin71]

Danys Baez? If he were as good as Gagné, of course the NL West would be trembling in fear of the Dodgers.

That being said, 82 wins won't be enough to win the division. It's going to take more than that.

[Solair Wright]

That being said, 82 wins won't be enough to win the division. It's going to take more than that.

You mean something like 94 or so wins?

[Where is Chone Figgins]

Dodger and A's fans have a genuine respect for one another and dislike the same two teams the Giants and Angels. Alot of Dodger fans favorite AL team is Oakland and alot of A's fans favorite NL is the Dodgers

I want to pose this question to the Giants and Angels fans why is there not the same respect bewteen you guys. Is it the 2002 World Series.



Dodger and A's fans are a perfect fit both are loud ,obnoxious and usually on the bottom end of the economic ladder.

Anyway about the Giants I could careless about them. My favorite NL team is the Padres.

[Where is Chone Figgins]

You mean something like 94 or so wins?


Is any team in the NL West capable of winning even 90 games

[west coast orange and black]

the hated dodgers did not weaken the giants, jake.

it was long-known that colletti deserved a shot at being a general manager.
the hated dodgers did not take colletti from the giants; colletti was gonna go somewhere sometime. the sometime happened sooner rather than later.
good luck to him.

[Bluesteve32]

Of course, I was rooting for the Angels. But if it were a Dodger-A's World Series, Angel fans would root for their division rivals, the A's.

I always root for the AL team, the hated A's, the hated Yankees, and even the hated Red Sox.

[Elvis]

Dodger and A's fans are a perfect fit both are loud ,obnoxious and usually on the bottom end of the economic ladder.

Anyway about the Giants I could careless about them. My favorite NL team is the Padres.

Pure class.

By the way, it's, "couldn't care less".

[mojorisin71]

Dodger and A's fans are a perfect fit both are loud ,obnoxious and usually on the bottom end of the economic ladder.

What, pray tell, does a fan's financial status have anything to do with baseball?

[west coast orange and black]

fan financial status > ticket purchase > attendance > revenue > team payroll

as far as financial status affecting what kind of fan, though, absolutely zero.

[mojorisin71]

You mean something like 94 or so wins?
It would probably be around 90-92 wins. Sort of like 2004.

[Mattingly]

I always root for the AL team, the hated A's, the hated Yankees, and even the hated Red Sox.
That's interesting, since a Mets fan I know of near me in NJ said he'd "switched leagues" and were rooting for the Angels in the 2002 WS. He said this simply because he couldn't stand the Yankees.

While he had no issues with the Giants as a whole, he wasn't too crazy about Barry Bonds. Long story, but he did take delight when the highly-rated defensive Left Fielder made an error in Game 6, I think it was.

[Mattingly]

Dodger and A's fans are a perfect fit both are loud ,obnoxious and usually on the bottom end of the economic ladder.

Anyway about the Giants I could careless about them. My favorite NL team is the Padres.
Like mojo has already asked, what does one's financial condition have to do with this discussion at all? I've worked for Mets fans who were big partners at the company. I don't see how someone's wealth would influence the team they root for, or even how you can tell someone's wealth unless you knew what they did for a living, including other jobs they also work at.

So if you don't care about the Giants, do you also not care about the Dodgers? Or are you telling us that the only west coast teams you care about are the Angels and the Padres?

Further, you may wish to check your grammar before posting. That usually goes a long way towards overall legibility of what's written, as well as credibility of the person writing it.

Thanks. :)

[DownUnderDodger]

By the way, it's, "couldn't care less".
Most interesting comment. Are you by any chance from 'down under'? We use the "couldn't careless" but I have found that when I am in the States, or even talking to my American wife, the term is always "could care less".

Sorry about the inane comment. Nobody probably cares less, whether they could or couldn't. :crazy

Re the 2002 WS I was rooting for the Angels, simply because they are from LA. I have no animosity against the Giants (except their ballpark is freezing, even in July) which may go against this particular thread :D and if the Giants were playing the Yankees would have had no hesitation in rooting for the Bay area team.

[sandlot]

fan financial status > ticket purchase > attendance > revenue > team payroll

as far as financial status affecting what kind of fan, though, absolutely zero.Unsure whether I can agree with all of that, WCOB, though maybe that depends on what you mean by "what kind." If you mean fan behavior's unrelated to financial status, I'd tend to agree. But I think perceptions of social class do have something to do with choice of team allegiance. Though I'm not from NY, it's my impression that Brooklyn fans very much saw themselves as grassroots folks who identified with "dem bums." And class hostility (rich v. poor) is behind why so many fans hate the Yankees (the top hat on the team emblem might be viewed in that light). SF very much views Oakland as working class, and LA as being class-less. There must be other examples of this. The fact that brewery owners saw fit to become baseball team owners also suggests a class perception was at work, the way a certain beer was once closely indentified with boxing. There was a razor blade that was very connected to boxing and when a major overseas competitor eventually entered the market, it chose to forge an adveritsing link with golfing. One would expect advertisers putting money into baseball, or into a particular team, to have a pretty good idea of the demographic -- "kind of fan" -- they're hoping to reach.

[Bluesteve32]

That's interesting, since a Mets fan I know of near me in NJ said he'd "switched leagues" and were rooting for the Angels in the 2002 WS. He said this simply because he couldn't stand the Yankees.

While he had no issues with the Giants as a whole, he wasn't too crazy about Barry Bonds. Long story, but he did take delight when the highly-rated defensive Left Fielder made an error in Game 6, I think it was.


Oh I rooted for the A's (1974, 1988) and Yankees (1977, 78, 81) when the Dodgers were in the WS. I magine living in LA and rooting against the Dodgers! :eek: There is a lot more of us, now. :laugh

[Mattingly]

Oh I rooted for the A's (1974, 1988) and Yankees (1977, 78, 81) when the Dodgers were in the WS. I magine living in LA and rooting against the Dodgers! :eek: There is a lot more of us, now. :laugh
In that case, if the Dodgers play the Angels and the Yanks in back-to-back Interleague series, we can both go to lunch together and enjoy a good old-fashion AL sweep? If lucky, even a good old-fashioned butt whippin' also. :p :laugh

I'd forgotten to mention in the post you'd quoted, that my Mets fan friend in NJ rooted for the Angels because they'd beaten the Yanks, but I figured that was pretty clear.
fan financial status > ticket purchase > attendance > revenue > team payroll

as far as financial status affecting what kind of fan, though, absolutely zero.
I'd say that unless someone spends an inordinate amount of money on baseball in comparison to their income, a fan who makes relatively little will likely have some "Saturday package" or "Sunday package", as they do at Yankee Stadium. If someone has expensive season tickets for box seats or in the luxe area, then that's usually the higher income bracket.

Still, someone who pays for 81 tickets in the bleachers is still paying for every single home game. Another person in the $75-100 seaons may not go for more than 20 games a season. They may still both be at the same game.

I'll strongly agree that the kind of fan they are has nothing to do with their income level, since class can only be taught and instilled, but can never be bought.

[Mattingly]

It happened a few days ago, but I'm curious how folks here feel that this trade between LAD and Tampa Bay will affect the Dodgers. Some have said that the Dodgers got the better deal, but others said that Tampa Bay got some excellent prospects. Any thoughts?

LA gets Baez from Rays for prospects
Dodgers shore up relief corps with former All-Stars (http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060114&content_id=1295784&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la)
LOS ANGELES -- With Eric Gagne returning from elbow surgery and eligible for free agency after 2006, the Dodgers on Saturday reinforced their bullpen for the near-term (and maybe longer) by acquiring All-Star closer Danys Baez, All-Star middle reliever Lance Carter plus cash considerations from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for young pitchers Edwin Jackson and Chuck Tiffany.

The 28-year-old Baez, a Cuban-born right-hander, saved 41 games (with a 2.86 ERA) for Tampa Bay in 2005, fifth in the American League, and has 102 saves in four seasons.

He started his career with Cleveland, was released after the 2003 season and signed with Tampa Bay. Baez pitched for Cleveland in 2001, when new Dodgers manager Grady Little was an Indians coach, and made his only postseason appearance that year.

Baez is under contract for 2006 with a $4 million salary and is eligible for free agency after the 2006 season. The Dodgers are paying Gagne $10 million this year and the club has a 2007 option for $12 million, but Gagne can void the option, receive a buyout of $250,000 ($650,000 if he finishes 50 games this year) and also declare free agency.

[Elvis]

Oh I rooted for the A's (1974, 1988) and Yankees (1977, 78, 81) when the Dodgers were in the WS. I magine living in LA and rooting against the Dodgers! :eek: There is a lot more of us, now. :laugh

Well, seeing as we almost drew 4 million in a crappy 91 loss season, I'd say we have enough supporters to offset the oddball Angelino Dodger haters like you, Steve :)

[Bluesteve32]

I am acquainted with Chuckie Tiffany's dad and remember Chuckie pitching in Pony League (lead his Covina, CA team to the Pony WS that year) and HS so I am actually sorry to see him go.

Chuck Tiffany (his dad) was talking to my partner and me last spring about how his Carolina team was having "Chuck Tiffany Bobble Head Night" and they sent him five dozen so he would not have to make the trip.

My sister-in-law works at the health club he atteded at times and knows my nephew from Charter Oak High. It is a small world.

[Bluesteve32]

Well, seeing as we almost drew 4 million in a crappy 91 loss season, I'd say we have enough supporters to offset the oddball Angelino Dodger haters like you, Steve :)

In tickets sold, big guy. How many actual rear ends were in the seats at the Ravine last season? Not as much as you think.

You realize that the people who jump on and off bandwagons (see Clippers this season) will go with what is in, the real Dodger fans are still here, but there are a lot of Angel fans that just don't plain care for the Dodgers and now more Dodger fans don't care for the Angels. I guess because the Angels are catching up, organizational wise, in the market after playing second fiddle for far too long.

Want to trade Arte for McCourt?

Ya can't have him. :laugh

[Mattingly]

I am acquainted with Chuckie Tiffany's dad and remember Chuckie pitching in Pony League (lead his Covina, CA team to the Pony WS that year) and HS so I am actually sorry to see him go.

Chuck Tiffany (his dad) was talking to my partner and me last spring about how his Carolina team was having "Chuck Tiffany Bobble Head Night" and they sent him five dozen so he would not have to make the trip.

My sister-in-law works at the health club he atteded at times and knows my nephew from Charter Oak High. It is a small world.
Oh, Chuckie from the trade article I'd just posted. Gotcha.

Anyway, what did you think of him as a pitcher? I'm glad you've also gotten to know the youth leagues.

[UnderPressure]

but there are a lot of Angel fans that just don't plain care for the Dodgers


Well, you're certainly not one of those Angel fans, are you, Steve (and Where is Chone Figgins)? :rolleyes:

[UnderPressure]

Question: 2002 World Series of Angels vs Giants. I'm sure who those teams' respective fans were rooting for, but who were the Dodgers and other California teamfans rooting for? Or were they even rooting at all for either?


I forgot to say that if it were the Tampa Bay Giants, yes, I would've rooted for them. It would've been the 10th anniversary of the Giants moving back to the East Coast. And the "ex-Giant fans" in San Francisco would've been so pissed if the Giants won. :D :p :clapping

[Bluesteve32]

Well, you're certainly not one of those Angel fans, are you, Steve (and Where is Chone Figgins)? :rolleyes:

I was one before it was in vogue to be one. :laugh

[west coast orange and black]

sandlot, i did in fact mean fans' behavior being unrelated to financial status.

mattingly/two-three, despite wearing the wrong-colored hat, said it well:
"I'll strongly agree that the kind of fan they are has nothing to do with their income level, since class can only be taught and instilled, but can never be bought."

[Mattingly]

Well, you're certainly not one of those Angel fans, are you, Steve (and Where is Chone Figgins)? :rolleyes:
I think that Steve's known of the Angels since their existence. Either that or only 5 years after they formed. He also knows a lot--and I mean a *LOT*--about the general area around LA, Anaheim, etc.

[Bluesteve32]

I think that Steve's known of the Angels since their existence. Either that or only 5 years after they formed. He also knows a lot--and I mean a *LOT*--about the general area around LA, Anaheim, etc.

I was born in 1960, a year before the Angels played ball. My mom was a PCL Angels fan and her dad took her and her twin sister to Wrigley quite often, even though they live rather close to Gilmore Field. I did have a LA Angels hat (with the halo) when I was a kid and remember being told the Angels were named for Los Angeles. I knew of the Angels before the Dodgers and was a bit upset that they were now called the "California Angels" as I got older. I am a third generation LA native, and three of my four grandparents attended LA High schools while the fourth gre up in Bisbee, Arizona.

Dick Enberg put me to sleep many nights listening to Angel games and can still here him announce that twelth inning stikeout of Rich Reece of the Twins for his 15th of the night and 383rd of the season.

Also, I have a social science dgree from Cal State LA with an emphesis on history and one of the upper division (junior-senior) classes I had to take was "History of Los Angeles" which actually was quite fascinating. Baseball and history are passions of mine, and put them together.....and it is quite fun.

Here is a pic of the LA my parents and grandparents knew:

[mojorisin71]

In tickets sold, big guy. How many actual rear ends were in the seats at the Ravine last season? Not as much as you think.

You realize that the people who jump on and off bandwagons (see Clippers this season) will go with what is in, the real Dodger fans are still here, but there are a lot of Angel fans that just don't plain care for the Dodgers and now more Dodger fans don't care for the Angels. I guess because the Angels are catching up, organizational wise, in the market after playing second fiddle for far too long.

Want to trade Arte for McCourt?

Ya can't have him. :laugh

4 million tickets is 4 million tickets, and whether or not the seats were actually filled, the money still went to McCourt's pockets. I also remember seeing plenty of Angels games in which the fans left early. It happens in EVERY stadium.

As for Moreno vs McCourt, it's a wash. Both owners figure to move their respective teams sometime in the near future.

[west coast orange and black]

anyone disapprove of making this the official giants/hated dodgers rivalry, hated dodgers/angels thread?

[mojorisin71]

Why not just switch it to the Dodger haters thread? There's one here in CE and another in the Brooklyn forum. It seems to be the cool thing to hate the Dodgers.

[Bluesteve32]

4 million tickets is 4 million tickets, and whether or not the seats were actually filled, the money still went to McCourt's pockets. I also remember seeing plenty of Angels games in which the fans left early. It happens in EVERY stadium.

As for Moreno vs McCourt, it's a wash. Both owners figure to move their respective teams sometime in the near future.

That's funny, most of my buddies who are Dodger fans would trade McCourt for Arte in a "New York" minute.

As far as rear ends in the seats, many were not showing up, and that means not as many overpriced Dodger Dogs were sold, parking spot at $10 (or was it 12) bucks a pop, scorecards, merchandise, peanut and those chocolate malts with the wooden spoons sold. I'd bet that in stadium sales at the Ravine were down, despite the attendance numbers being sustained or even increased.

Oh yeah, 3.6 is not 4 million, still 400,000 short, which is more people that inhabit Anaheim.

[west coast orange and black]

switching it to the hated dodgers haters thread would have an overwhelming response. too overwhelming. :D

and as soon as something is so popular it ceases to be "cool". no?

[Bluesteve32]

anyone disapprove of making this the official giants/hated dodgers rivalry, hated dodgers/angels thread?

And people say there is no rivalry between the Dodgers and Angels. All the Dodger fans say the Giants are their rivals, well, they seem to react to everything we say. ;)

WCOB, you guys have one thing in common with many of us Angel fans, anyone playing the Dodgers are our second favorite MLB team. :laugh

[mojorisin71]

That's funny, most of my buddies who are Dodger fans would trade McCourt for Arte in a "New York" minute.

As far as rear ends in the seats, many were not showing up, and that means not as many overpriced Dodger Dogs were sold, parking spot at $10 (or was it 12) bucks a pop, scorecards, merchandise, peanut and those chocolate malts with the wooden spoons sold. I'd bet that in stadium sales at the Ravine were down, despite the attendance numbers being sustained or even increased.

Oh yeah, 3.6 is not 4 million, still 400,000 short, which is more people that inhabit Anaheim.

I seem to have a different poll result with my baseball buddies. They'd prefer the lesser of two evils.

As for stadium sales, I see plenty of Dodger memorabilia here in the LA area (don't know about the San Gabriel Valley; I assume it's all Angels there), and it's kinda hard to find out exactly how many people actually stayed in Dodger Stadium during the games. Like I said, 4 million is 4 million, and in every stadium across the country, not all the seats are filled. We just get it the worst because the parking lot is clearly visible from the broadcast booths.

[mojorisin71]

switching it to the hated dodgers haters thread would have an overwhelming response. too overwhelming. :D

and as soon as something is so popular it ceases to be "cool". no?
Wait a few years and hating the Angels will be the cool thing to do in SoCal.

[west coast orange and black]

mojo: We just get it the worst because the parking lot is clearly visible from the broadcast booths.

and there's this orange bridge over here that can be yours for a pretty decent sum. :rolleyes:

[mojorisin71]

The Bay Bridge isn't orange

[west coast orange and black]

mojo: ...hating the Angels will be the cool thing to do in SoCal.

in the "what's my neighbor doing?" world in the land of so, this would not surprise me.

[Bluesteve32]

I seem to have a different poll result with my baseball buddies. They'd prefer the lesser of two evils.

As for stadium sales, I see plenty of Dodger memorabilia here in the LA area (don't know about the San Gabriel Valley; I assume it's all Angels there), and it's kinda hard to find out exactly how many people actually stayed in Dodger Stadium during the games. Like I said, 4 million is 4 million, and in every stadium across the country, not all the seats are filled. We just get it the worst because the parking lot is clearly visible from the broadcast booths.

The SGV is still predominately Dodger, but the percentage is not as high as it was say a decade ago. The East SGV tends to favor the Angels, especially those of whom can quickly get down the 57 to the Big A.

As for the parking lot, I do remember seeing quite a few tailights leaving the stadium when Gibson hit that HR in the 1988 WS. Who in their right mind would leave a close WS game before the last out to beat the traffic?

Well, that "hole of purgatory" called a parking lot, I guess I can see why. :D

BTW, 3.6 million < 4 million by 400,000. Anaheim and Yorba Linda together would be that much.

[west coast orange and black]

mojo: The Bay Bridge isn't orange

righty-o. but it is the golden gate bridge i was talkin' about.

[west coast orange and black]

Bluesteve32: Who in their right mind would leave a close WS game before the last out to beat the traffic?

no one. and that is exactly why the phenomenon is claimed exclusively by the land of so.

[KHenry14]

I seem to have a different poll result with my baseball buddies. They'd prefer the lesser of two evils.



C'mon Mojo, you'd really rather have McCourt??? :crazy As far as I can tell, Arte's only bad move was the whole team name thing. Almost everything else he's done has been for the good of the team? Can't say the same for McCourt. Does the name Depodesta mean anything? But perhaps his signing former Giants AGM Colletti will right the ship there, but the jury is still out on that one. But Moreno's done nothing but help keep the Halo's in contention.

KH14

[mojorisin71]

C'mon Mojo, you'd really rather have McCourt??? :crazy As far as I can tell, Arte's only bad move was the whole team name thing. Almost everything else he's done has been for the good of the team? Can't say the same for McCourt. Does the name Depodesta mean anything? But perhaps his signing former Giants AGM Colletti will right the ship there, but the jury is still out on that one. But Moreno's done nothing but help keep the Halo's in contention.

KH14

Moreno is the West Coast version of Steinbrenner, and we all know that ever since he started giving big contracts to players, the Yankees haven't won anything. Same with the Angels. Yes, the Angels have had two playoff appearances, but they've all ended in the same way. DePodesta wasn't a bad move to begin with, but with the 2004 offseason, he showed his inexperience as a GM. Colletti may be the answer, but it's too early to call.

[Bluesteve32]

Moreno is the West Coast version of Steinbrenner, and we all know that ever since he started giving big contracts to players, the Yankees haven't won anything. Same with the Angels. Yes, the Angels have had two playoff appearances, but they've all ended in the same way. DePodesta wasn't a bad move to begin with, but with the 2004 offseason, he showed his inexperience as a GM. Colletti may be the answer, but it's too early to call.

How is Arte a Weat Coast Steinbrenner? Who did the Angels sign this offseason? The did try to get Konerko, but the price was too high in trade value for Manny because they don't want to sell the farm away.

Let's see, tow playoff appearences and won a series against the Yankees, in which the Angels now are 2-0 vs the Bombers while it took the Dodgers like seven series to finally win their first. 3.4 million from a team baseball was considering contracting a few years ago...not bad I say.

[mojorisin71]

How is Arte a Weat Coast Steinbrenner? Who did the Angels sign this offseason? The did try to get Konerko, but the price was too high in trade value for Manny because they don't want to sell the farm away.

Let's see, tow playoff appearences and won a series against the Yankees, in which the Angels now are 2-0 vs the Bombers while it took the Dodgers like seven series to finally win their first. 3.4 million from a team baseball was considering contracting a few years ago...not bad I say.

Colon, Guerrero, Escobar, Finley, Byrd, etc. Stoneman isn't known for being an active GM, but he didn't have any trouble shelling out those FA deals. Remember, the 2002 Angels were all home-grown.

[west coast orange and black]

nit-pickin' here, mojo, but what about spiezio and fullmer?

[Bluesteve32]

Appier and Sele, and Kennedy was acquired in the Jim Edmonds deal.

[Jake83]

Stoneman has made the right decesion this winter in my opinion by keeping his young prospects in the system and not blocking them from moving up.

Tiffany was an unbelievable high school pitcher at Covina HS but the other lefty the Dodgers have from S. California Greg Miller from Esperanza has the most upside out of all Dodger pitching prospects.

[Jake83]

As long as the Angels play in Orange County Steve they will contiune to be the 2nd team no matter the sucess they have at least Donald Sterling was smart enough to not make that choice a few years ago to play at the Pond instead of playing at the Staples Center.

[Bluesteve32]

As long as the Angels play in Orange County Steve they will contiune to be the 2nd team no matter the sucess they have at least Donald Sterling was smart enough to not make that choice a few years ago to play at the Pond instead of playing at the Staples Center.

Perhaps, so about the Angels being second, but that would likely happen no matter where they play, in LA itself or Anaheim. The playing field is a lot more level now, and the Dodgers outdrew the Angels by some 200,000 this season, but were playing at a very high rate of capacity crowds. The difference is the size of the stadium 43k to 58k. I bet is you counted actual bodies in the seats like the NL did for years, I would not be surprised if the numbers match much more closely.

As for the Clippers, I thinbk they made the wrong move, especially when playing in the Sports Arena, by not moving to the Pond, where they sold out the dozen or so games played there. It is a great venue, but I have been there only once (I am a Kings fan, not a fan of the team named for a kids' movie starring the leftist Martin Sheen's son and Paula Abdual's ex). Some Angel fans speak of the name change as being "the clipperfication" of the Angels, which is bunk.

If the Dodgers right the ship, which I think they will do even if they would have waited until the kids get to tthe big club, a few more season like last year, with the Angels winning and the Dodger losing, the rabid fan base is getting older and many of the kids are chosing the Angles as their team (sometimes over their parents' choice), you just may see a sort of parity between the clubs.

There is a lot of talk about Arte starting a network that features the Angels. Appearently, he is finishing up purchacing 830-AM radio station, which is Spanish language. The have good rages as USC football used that as an affiliate a few season's ago before they switched to Spanish. It covers Palm Springs to the SGV and over to Santa Monica. I don't like 710 or 1540's reception in many parts of the area at night.

[Bluesteve32]

Stoneman has made the right decesion this winter in my opinion by keeping his young prospects in the system and not blocking them from moving up.

Tiffany was an unbelievable high school pitcher at Covina HS but the other lefty the Dodgers have from S. California Greg Miller from Esperanza has the most upside out of all Dodger pitching prospects.

Tiffany went to Charter Oak High (in Covina, but a different district) and was a classmate of my nephew.

[UnderPressure]

I'm a Kings fan

Alright, something we can agree on. :)

[Mattingly]

Moreno is the West Coast version of Steinbrenner, and we all know that ever since he started giving big contracts to players, the Yankees haven't won anything. Same with the Angels. Yes, the Angels have had two playoff appearances, but they've all ended in the same way. DePodesta wasn't a bad move to begin with, but with the 2004 offseason, he showed his inexperience as a GM. Colletti may be the answer, but it's too early to call.
Are you referring to a post-2000 version of Big Stein, or are you referring to his entiree time with the Yankees (2003-present)?

George's big free agents started with Catfish, then Reggie.

As to the current George, some have said that after Jeter got his 10-year deal, the Yanks haven't been the same. This despite Jeter having a very nice 2005 season (in my opinion, anyway).

So what are the things that you believe Arte would need to do in order to repeat 2002's performance?

Oh, and lastly, since they don't continue to call the former Edison Field (now called "Angels Stadium" I think (either that or LAA of A Stadium)), :D may I ask if the Angels fans do finally outnumber the Yankee fans there when the Yanks wear the road grays? :p :laugh

[Jake83]

Perhaps, so about the Angels being second, but that would likely happen no matter where they play, in LA itself or Anaheim. The playing field is a lot more level now, and the Dodgers outdrew the Angels by some 200,000 this season, but were playing at a very high rate of capacity crowds. The difference is the size of the stadium 43k to 58k. I bet is you counted actual bodies in the seats like the NL did for years, I would not be surprised if the numbers match much more closely.

As for the Clippers, I thinbk they made the wrong move, especially when playing in the Sports Arena, by not moving to the Pond, where they sold out the dozen or so games played there. It is a great venue, but I have been there only once (I am a Kings fan, not a fan of the team named for a kids' movie starring the leftist Martin Sheen's son and Paula Abdual's ex). Some Angel fans speak of the name change as being "the clipperfication" of the Angels, which is bunk.

If the Dodgers right the ship, which I think they will do even if they would have waited until the kids get to tthe big club, a few more season like last year, with the Angels winning and the Dodger losing, the rabid fan base is getting older and many of the kids are chosing the Angles as their team (sometimes over their parents' choice), you just may see a sort of parity between the clubs.

There is a lot of talk about Arte starting a network that features the Angels. Appearently, he is finishing up purchacing 830-AM radio station, which is Spanish language. The have good rages as USC football used that as an affiliate a few season's ago before they switched to Spanish. It covers Palm Springs to the SGV and over to Santa Monica. I don't like 710 or 1540's reception in many parts of the area at night.


The difference is if the Angels move to LA proper they will no longer be considered a suburban team anynore but it may alienate their Orange County fan base. It is a Catch-22 position Moreno is in he either can shine in the LA lights and open a new fan base or stay in Orange County and keep his fan base but contiune to play in the shadows of Chavez Ravine.

[Jake83]

Tiffany went to Charter Oak High (in Covina, but a different district) and was a classmate of my nephew.

He was a stud in high school from what i remember

[Bluesteve32]

He was a stud in high school from what i remember

He was indeed.

[Bluesteve32]

The difference is if the Angels move to LA proper they will no longer be considered a suburban team anynore but it may alienate their Orange County fan base. It is a Catch-22 position Moreno is in he either can shine in the LA lights and open a new fan base or stay in Orange County and keep his fan base but contiune to play in the shadows of Chavez Ravine.

I doubt if the Angels would move back into LA proper, perhaps an LA County City such as Long Beach, Carson, Irwindale, Pomona, but I doubt if they would move downtown at all.

[Jake83]

I doubt if the Angels would move back into LA proper, perhaps an LA County City such as Long Beach, Carson, Irwindale, Pomona, but I doubt if they would move downtown at all.


Irwindale or Pomona-- I highly doubt the SGV because that would be in the same position as Orange County

Carson- The parking situation will not allow that to happen

Long Beach- With the urbanization and the renewal of Long Beach it may happen But Long Beach may not be an ideal spot for the fans of the Inland Empire.

[Elvis]

I vote they contract the Angels. Maybe that would get them out of the LA/SF rivalry thread. :rolleyes:

[west coast orange and black]

bruce jenkins of the san francisco chronicle just tabbed (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/01/24/SPGE8GS5QL1.DTL&type=printable) the nl west a "one-man race".

as of today, he sees it going down as:

giants
hated dodgers
padres
diamondbacks
rockies

has any reporter tabbed the hated dodgers to finish first, or above the giants?

[west coast orange and black]

oh, jenkins also gives some much-deserved props to colletti in that article.

[Jake83]

Would you think Jenkins would't of picked the Giants. I think it would be more of a surprise if a reporter for a Bay Area newspaper didn't pick the Giants to finish 1st.

[west coast orange and black]

read jenkins a few times befor popping off, man. jenkins is not a rah-rah.

also, he is as rough on bonds as anyone with proper credentials.

[mojorisin71]

read jenkins a few times befor popping off, man. jenkins is not a rah-rah.

also, he is as rough on bonds as anyone with proper credentials.
The same could be said if TJ Simers or Bill Plaschke picked the Dodgers to win the division, even though they waste no opportunity to rip them every day.

[west coast orange and black]

slappin' someone upside the head every day ain't gonna get you nowhere.

what's the deal with simers and plaschke, mojo?

have any la-la writers posted their predictions yet?

[mojorisin71]

slappin' someone upside the head every day ain't gonna get you nowhere.

what's the deal with simers and plaschke, mojo?

have any la-la writers posted their predictions yet?
Plaschke is a bandwagon jumper. One minute he bashes all the local teams, and when they start winning, he jumps on the bandwagon and acts as if he's supported them all the time. Simers is a sarcastic writer that no one here takes seriously (I think he got banned from Around the Horn), and most of the time he resorts to name-calling (i.e. McCourt is "the Parking Lot Attendant," his wife is "the Screaming Meanie," etc.).

I don't know if any sportswriters here have posted their predictions, as I no longer subscribe to the Times, and the Daily News isn't as popular in my section of Southern California. Maybe one of the Angelenos here can answer your question.

[Elvis]

Plaschke is a bandwagon jumper. One minute he bashes all the local teams, and when they start winning, he jumps on the bandwagon and acts as if he's supported them all the time. Simers is a sarcastic writer that no one here takes seriously (I think he got banned from Around the Horn), and most of the time he resorts to name-calling (i.e. McCourt is "the Parking Lot Attendant," his wife is "the Screaming Meanie," etc.).

I don't know if any sportswriters here have posted their predictions, as I no longer subscribe to the Times, and the Daily News isn't as popular in my section of Southern California. Maybe one of the Angelenos here can answer your question.

I used to hate Simers, but I've been listening to the "Loose Cannons" show on 570 lately and he's not a big smarmy jerk on the radio as he seems to be in his colums.

That being said, predictions bore me. No intrest whatsoever. And I don't really read the papers anymore, although I do miss the Herald-Examiner.

[west coast orange and black]

simers sounds a lot like the sf chronicle's scott ostler, whose sarcasticness sullies his smarts and wit.

[DownUnderDodger]

Plaschke is a bandwagon jumper. One minute he bashes all the local teams, and when they start winning, he jumps on the bandwagon and acts as if he's supported them all the time.
That would make him the same as probably 90% of sports writers worldwide. the majority dump on the local team when losing and can't speak highly enough of them when they are winning!! Reporters here are past masters at it!

[west coast orange and black]

mojo, what date will sosa hit #600 off the hated dodgers?

[mojorisin71]

mojo, what date will sosa hit #600 off the hated dodgers?
The weekend of July 28-30 (those are the dates the Nationals visit the Ravine). He should have 11 HRs by then.

[west coast orange and black]

ok. the giants are in pittsburgh that weekend.
i will try to get to beautiful dodger stadium, have a delicious dodger dog, and see yet another milestone achieved against the hated dodgers.

[Jake83]

Too bad this is what the Giants stand for now

http://www.brianbehrend.com/archives/images/bonds-cheater.jpg

[west coast orange and black]

sorry, jake. didn't catch that last one.

[Elvis]

At this point Bonds is not even healthy for our rivalry. He's a malignant cancer to the Giants, the record books and MLB, and it's mostly MLB's and Selig's fault for letting it get this far. The record books are already tainted forever by these cheaters who have forever brought "The juiced era" to MLB history. Thank God it's finally coming to a head. Hopefully Bonds will come to his senses, step away from the game immediately and let our rivalry resume its natural passion. Although, seeing how selfish he's already been in his choices to help defile the integrity of baseball, I wouldn't count on it. I only hope he breaks Ruth's and Aaron's records on the road, so that those moments will not be known for the numbers, but rather the ferocious and ugly audible response from the stands as he circles the bases. When these historic moments occur, it will be recorded as one of the ugliest moments in the games' history, and I only hope it DOESN'T hapen at the Ravine.

[west coast orange and black]

your use of "malignant cancer" is hyperbole. it is also incorrect.
hyperbole in that you seem to believe that bonds is the only one tainted or worse, that he is bigger than the game.
c'mon, it is what it is: he is but one man, one player.

incorrect in that bonds will surely bring out the *best* of the hated dodger fans.

to publicly thank god for the end of the steroid story is wishful thinking, i'm afraid. the severity and enormity of the problem are difficult to deal with; the story did not start with, nor will it end with, bonds.

does this one man really bother you that much that he has that much of a hold on you?
if yes, than you certainly can use it as material for the giants/hated dodgers rivalry thread.

[Elvis]

your use of "malignant cancer" is hyperbole. it is also incorrect.
hyperbole in that you seem to believe that bonds is the only one tainted or worse, that he is bigger than the game.
c'mon, it is what it is: he is but one man, one player.

incorrect in that bonds will surely bring out the *best* of the hated dodger fans.

to publicly thank god for the end of the steroid story is wishful thinking, i'm afraid. the severity and enormity of the problem are difficult to deal with; the story did not start with, nor will it end with, bonds.

does this one man really bother you that much that he has that much of a hold on you?
if yes, than you certainly can use it as material for the giants/hated dodgers rivalry thread.

I'd advise you to stop spinning peoples words around to suit yourself.

I did not say or infer that Bonds was the only one. If you'd read my post objectively you'd see that clearly.

I did not say or infer that Bonds is bigger than the game. However, I did say that the very integrity of MLB and its records is in question because of the actions of him, those like him and Bud Selig and Fay Vincent.

I did not say that Bonds would bring out the best in Dodger fans. I actually infered quite clearly it would bring out the worst, which is why I hope he doesn't "break" Ruth and Aaron's records here.

I did not say that this was the end of the steroid story. If you'd read my post objectively you'd see that. I said it was coming to a head, which is quite different. Just as Japanese Imperialism came to a head on December 7, 1941.

Bonds does not have a hold on me. If you'd read my post objectively you'd see that. However, he does have an unhealthy hold on our rivalry which is not in its best interest.

The circus has only begun.

[west coast orange and black]

wow. i am under advisement. *shudder*

you singled out bonds.
why?

i used *best* as in "worst". c'mon, catch up, here.

oh, "coming to a head". ok.
when do you see the problem nearing its end?

objectively as possible: singling out bonds as a focus of the giants/hated dodgers rivalry is giving too much power to just one man, one player. bonds is simply a part of the machine. a part of the process. a part of history. he is not the machine. he is not the process. he is not history itself.

bonds, the part, is no greater or lesser than the cast of thousands that have made the rivalry what it is.
you may not want to admit that, though. i understand.

[Elvis]

wow. i am under advisement. *shudder*

you singled out bonds.
why?

Gee, I wonder.

i used *best* as in "worst". c'mon, catch up, here.

Then your point was...?

oh, "coming to a head". ok.
when do you see the problem nearing its end?

When those that run MLB, the owners and players union get their heads out of their butts and realise how much irrepairable damage has been done to MLB and decide to completely purge all PEDs from the game and all PED users as well.

objectively as possible: singling out bonds as a focus of the giants/hated dodgers rivalry is giving too much power to just one man, one player.

Geez, are you listening at all to what I said? Bonds at this point has nothing to DO with the rivalry anymore. He's a DISTRACTION from the rivalry, from the upcoming Giants season and from the Giants organization itself.

bonds is simply a part of the machine. a part of the process. a part of history. he is not the machine. he is not the process. he is not history itself.

Right, just like a tumor is not the body itself.

bonds, the part, is no greater or lesser than the cast of thousands that have made the rivalry what it is.
you may not want to admit that, though. i understand.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Man.

[west coast orange and black]

^^
wonder out loud, while yer at it. especially since bonds now has nothing to do with the rivalry.

you can not actually believe that. if you ever go to dodger stadium to watch games, go when the giants roll into town. listen and watch how much he "does not matter". don't read the sports page, though, you're bound to come across a story or two that mention the slugger.

as far as bonds being a distraction for the 2006 giants team and the club itself:
what in sam hill're you talkin' about? as goes bonds, so go the giants.

[Elvis]

as goes bonds, so go the giants.

Exactly... ;) Basically the Giants are defined by Bonds, like it or not, which means the Giants are defined by a s***bag, selfish beyond words, egotistical, cheating piece of pig poo. Congrats. And congrats on having the guts to even attempt to defend this guy who had it all, then spit on the integrity of the ML record books and threw his chance at a HOF plaque in the toilet with a few dirty syringes. Like I said, unless this ego-maniacal creep slithers away from the game right now, you are about to witness a disgusting three-ring circus following your club all season long. And like I said, I'm not looking forward to the circus called BARRY BONDS, and oh by the way the San Francisco Giants, visiting Los Angeles anytime soon.

EDIT: removed inappropriate word.

-Matt

[Jake83]

On the majority of issues Giant fans are very open minded and use reason to formulate their opinions. With Bonds Giant fans become very closed minded and no matter what evidence is provided still believe Bonds never used steroids.

[KHenry14]

On the majority of issues Giant fans are very open minded and use reason to formulate their opinions. With Bonds Giant fans become very closed minded and no matter what evidence is provided still believe Bonds never used steroids.

Funny Jake, I know tons of Giants fans, and almost none of them believe he hasn't used. Most of us just don't know what to believe. Was it steroids, HGH, or something else. Or a combination? Or is he just an absolute stud baseball player whom MLB is in awe of?

KH14

[west coast orange and black]

i bellieve, jake, that the majority of giants fans believe either that bonds used or probably used.

what is happening here is this: the person who - for whatever reason(s) - is not calling for bonds' immediate removal from the game, receiving a suspension or being barred from the hof gets labeled as a "bonds lover" or "bonds apologist" [sic].

the fact of the matter is that the situation, ironically, calls for mlb to follow the rules in place.
baseball's hands, it seems, according to the rules in place that govern drugs, are tied.

[Jake83]

Giant fans place labels on people who have said Bonds used steroids. I am not disagreeing that Bonds was and still is a amazing athlete and player. I will even say that Bonds records shouldn;t be erased because of his steroid use because according to certain sources over half the players used some type of steroid. The point is that Bonds is an egomanaic and shouldn't be treated as some sort of hero by Giant fans. You and I know 80% of the people who attend Pac Bell Park ( or Whatever it is called now) come to see Bonds and will defend him not as a cheater but as an actual person.

[Bluesteve32]

Bonds, in the court of public opinion, will be viewed as a tainted star.

[west coast orange and black]

your "giants fans", jake, is a mighty broad brush.

[mojorisin71]

I'd like to bump this thread to the top.

Next Friday, the Giants visit the Ravine for their first series this season. I'm taking bets on the outcome of the weekend series.

[efin98]

I'd like to bump this thread to the top.

Next Friday, the Giants visit the Ravine for their first series this season. I'm taking bets on the outcome of the weekend series.

Dodgers win the series and Bonds gets a box of syringes thrown at him from the bleachersf.

[Elvis]

Dodgers win the series and Bonds gets a box of syringes thrown at him from the bleachersf.

Both highly likely. I only hope the rowdies in the LF pavilion don't get too carried away and we wind up in a forfeit situation.

[efin98]

Both highly likely. I only hope the rowdies in the LF pavilion don't get too carried away and we wind up in a forfeit situation.

They aren't New Yorkers so I don't think the Dodgers will have to worry about that :laugh

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: Giant fans place labels on people who have said Bonds used steroids.
such as?

The point is that Bonds is an egomanaic and shouldn't be treated as some sort of hero by Giant fans.
i think that very few players, jake, oughtta be treated as heroes. and those who are would be no matter what profession they happened to have.

...80% of the people who attend Pac Bell Park ... come to see Bonds and will defend him not as a cheater but as an actual person.
80%? not 78.8?
so, bonds is not an actual person? that's just gotta be against the rules, eh?

[west coast orange and black]

the sf and la clubs both established record attendances for their respective yards on opening day.

[mojorisin71]

They aren't New Yorkers so I don't think the Dodgers will have to worry about that :laugh

Never underestimate the LF pavilion.

[efin98]

Never underestimate the LF pavilion.

Guess rowdy bleachers are common all around then!!!

[Gagne#3 8]

Guess rowdy bleachers are common all around then!!!


Rowdy bleachers could happen anywhere but certain cities are more common

[Gagne#3 8]

We should win tonight to win the series but I still can not get over how our bullpen performed in Pittsburgh

[KHenry14]

Whoops, Giants take 2 out of 3 at the Ravine. :D

[west coast orange and black]

i did not catch the score of the rubber game, henry. what was it?

[Gagne#3 8]

Seeing Bonds getting hit by the pitch dulled the pain of the lost.

[Gagne#3 8]

Up to date NL West Standings'


San Francisco 11 8 .579 -- 4/24 v 4/25 v NYM, 10:15P
Colorado 10 9 .526 1.0 143 4/25 @ PHI, 7:05P
Los Angeles 10 10 .500 1.5 4/25 @ HOU, 8:05P
Arizona 9 11 .450 2.5 4/25 @ SD, 10:05P
San Diego 8 11 .421 3.0 4/25 v ARI, 10:05P



Next Dodger Giant Series May 12th thru 14th @ Insert Name Here Ballpark

[Dravecky43]

Next Dodger Giant Series May 12th thru 14th @ Insert Name Here Ballpark
Sorry, Telephone Company Park works better. :p

[mojorisin71]

i did not catch the score of the rubber game, henry. what was it?
2-0, with Hennessey pitching a great game against Jae Seo.

[mojorisin71]

Sorry, Telephone Company Park works better. :p
I'd refer to it as the Phone Booth, but the Washington Wizards and the MCI Center already took it.

[west coast orange and black]

gagne#3 8: Seeing Bonds getting hit by the pitch dulled the pain of the lost.

how low can you go?
seriously. to what depths?

[Gagne#3 8]

Seo has somewhat been a disapointment this season so far but hopefully he will turn it around tonight against the Madres

[Jake83]

At the closing of the month of April has anbything in the NL West surprise anyone( Expect for the play of Colorado)

[Jake83]

Giant/Dodger series beginning Friday at Corporate Whore Ballpark.

Any predictions on series maybe some wagers on avaters.

[west coast orange and black]

:grouchy so the builders of the ballyard save the taxpayers millions of dollars and are called a name?
i have a take on this weekend's giants / hated dodgers series, but it sure ain't worth my time to consider your stinkin' furcal avatar, buddy.

[mojorisin71]

I'm willing to bet big $$$ that Bonds' 715th will come against the Dodgers this weekend.

[Jake83]

:grouchy so the builders of the ballyard save the taxpayers millions of dollars and are called a name?
i have a take on this weekend's giants / hated dodgers series, but it sure ain't worth my time to consider your stinkin' furcal avatar, buddy.


Your can have the Furcal avater and him as a player for a used bag of baseballs:laugh :laugh

[west coast orange and black]

as it happens, i do have a bag of used baseballs -- batting practice home runs. ;)

[Jake83]

You interested on a wager for avater space WCOB

[Jake83]

as it happens, i do have a bag of used baseballs -- batting practice home runs. ;)


Vizquel could use a day off once and again.

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: You interested on a wager for avater space WCOB

you wanna go avatars, dude?
let's go avatars. but, don'tcha have a hated dodgers one?

[Jake83]

Jake83: You interested on a wager for avater space WCOB

you wanna go avatars, dude?
let's go avatars. but, don'tcha have a hated dodgers one?


Overall runs or whoever wins the series? I have a perfect avater for you:D

[west coast orange and black]

it's a 3-game set, dude. and because selig is ducking the klieg lights of the bonds 714 thing, we know there will not be any ties.

[Jake83]

it's a 3-game set, dude. and because selig is ducking the klieg lights of the bonds 714 thing, we know there will not be any ties.
You think Bonds will hit 714 and 715 against the Dodgers. You think the bean ball incident is still on the mind of the Giants.

[west coast orange and black]

bonds has come up big against the hated dodgers before.
as for #714, maybe in today's day game at home.

as for the beanings: it's giants / hated dodgers, dude, so there is no forgetting, no forgiving.



so, avatars for how long, man?

[KHenry14]

Be careful Pal, if we lose he might make you use a Lasorda av!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[redbuck]

So, reading a few posts, I'm reminded of the question I often use in college football to think about best rivalries.

How much does a win against a rival mean compared to games against other teams?

Would a Dodgers fan rather go 3-6 on a road trip and sweep the Giants or go 6-3 on the same trip and get swept by the Giants.

I know in college football, as an Ohio State fan I'd rather finish 7-4 and beat Michigan than finish 9-2 and lose to them. I don't know about 6-5 though.

Go Giants btw

[Elvis]

Would a Dodgers fan rather go 3-6 on a road trip and sweep the Giants or go 6-3 on the same trip and get swept by the Giants.

Now THAT'S a tough choice. :confused:

[Jake83]

bonds has come up big against the hated dodgers before.
as for #714, maybe in today's day game at home.

as for the beanings: it's giants / hated dodgers, dude, so there is no forgetting, no forgiving.



so, avatars for how long, man?


Two weeks sounds like a gentleman's length of time.

[Jake83]

Be careful Pal, if we lose he might make you use a Lasorda av!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


A Bonds av for me could be worse

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: Two weeks sounds like a gentleman's length of time.

yer right. but, what about for us? :eek:
ok, two weeks it is, dude. :waving

[Jake83]

Tonight's pitching matchup
Pitching matchup
LAD: RHP Brad Penny (2-1, 2.98 ERA)
Penny's last three starts haven't matched his first four. He hasn't lost velocity, but he's now walking more than he's striking out, a flip-flop from April. Penny had a 2.82 ERA but no decisions against the Giants in 2005.

SF: RHP Matt Morris (2-3, 6.16 ERA)
Morris has lost his last five starts and was rocked for five runs in the first two innings in the Giants' 8-3 loss to the red-hot Phillies last Sunday night.
From mlb.com


Both teams are tied for 4th place with a 17-18 record 3 games back of surprising Colorado. If that isn't motivation enough for the premier National League franchises the situation surronding Barry Bonds and his run for 715 will take center stage creating a circus like atmosphere in the Bay Area this weekend.


Will Grady Little and his pitching staff let the Lord of the Dark Side Barry Bonds become the greatest left handed slugger this weekend.

[Jake83]

Why do the Giant fans still despise Jeff Kent

[baseball=my life]

half my family giants fans half dodger fans imagine family reunions
:rolleyes:

[the pyromaniac]

you know the rivalry im talking about. its the only one that means anything.

Braves-Phillies? Braves-Mets? Those are more important than any I can think of...

[UnderPressure]

Painful loss today. Baez is no Gagne.

Oh well, we've broken their hearts so many times when they blew their leads in the 9th inning in recent years. It was our turn today. But this has to stop!

[dabum1]

just can't seem to get over .500

[Jake83]

Disgusting; that is the only word to describe the lost.

[Jake83]

You've GOT to be kidding me. You STILL seriously believe this? Even after your team signed the amazing BRETT TOMKO? Now THAT'S comedy. And it's going to be even funnier during the season when you are complaining about the signing.


Are any Dodger fans complaining about Tomko Yet:D :D

[west coast orange and black]

tomorrow is the rubber match, jake.
good luck to ya.

[west coast orange and black]

Jake83: Why do the Giant fans still despise Jeff Kent

many giants fans despise kent because kent has never been a rah-rah; has never been an outwardly teammate; has never said "you fans are great"; "i love being here".

instead, kent has always been taken as a hard-nosed, no-nonsense, stand-offish, screw-you non-smiler.

the truth is that kent would rather die than disappoint a teammate in any way.
he actually loves playing baseball even though he has very little knowledge of the history of the game.
he has absolutely no care as to how he will be remembered as a player.
but, curiously, the guy is a serious gamer who just wants to win.

[Elvis]

Jake83: Why do the Giant fans still despise Jeff Kent

many giants fans despise kent because kent has never been a rah-rah; has never been an outwardly teammate; has never said "you fans are great"; "i love being here".

instead, kent has always been taken as a hard-nosed, no-nonsense, stand-offish, screw-you non-smiler.

the truth is that kent would rather die than disappoint a teammate in any way.
he actually loves playing baseball even though he has very little knowledge of the history of the game.
he has absolutely no care as to how he will be remembered as a player.
but, curiously, the guy is a serious gamer who just wants to win.

I can tell you one thing, Dodger fans will never again boo Jeff Kent. It's pretty rare for fans at Dodger Stadium to ever boo visiting former Dodgers. In fact, I can't remember it EVER happening with ANYONE except maybe Piazza. But aside from that, I just love Kent. You described him perfectly - He's a real gamer and a true craftsman of the game. And him breaking down and crying at the press conference when introduced as a Dodger was enough proof for me that he "wants to be here". But his game has shown that in spades.

If Kent plays for another team after the Dodgers, I guarantee he will not be booed in his return to Dodger Stadium. :clapping :clapping :clapping

And dropping that Bonds pop-up was brilliant. He did exactly what he should have done, at best a DP, at LEAST trading Bonds as a base runner for the force play.

[Elvis]

Disgusting; that is the only word to describe the lost.

Look at the bright side - Sele looked really good AGAIN! :gt :gt Our starting staff is looking very solid... except for the guy throwing Sunday.:ughh :confused:

Tomko, Sele, Penny, Lowe = Nice! #5??????

[west coast orange and black]

wryly, kent said that he'll never tell if the drop was done on purpose.

[west coast orange and black]

here's who jeff kent is:

after last night's game, kent said that he would take two more questions. when asked if he thought that bonds used steroids, his answer was, "one more question."

[west coast orange and black]

elvis9045: I can tell you one thing, Dodger fans will never again boo Jeff Kent.

giants fans booed jack clark for pretty much the same reasons as kent. the ripper was more vocal and popped off more often than kent, but they are both cut from the same cloth.

[Elvis]

here's who jeff kent is:

after last night's game, kent said that he would take two more questions. when asked if he thought that bonds used steroids, his answer was, "one more question."

And? :noidea :noidea

[Jake83]

tomorrow is the rubber match, jake.
good luck to ya.


Good luck. You had the luck yesterday maybe Sunday is the Day for the Blue.

[Elvis]

Should've been a sweep! :evil

Oh well, hope any new avatar's that were wagered look reeeeeal pretty! :D

[Jake83]

I am going to be cruel I will not make him have just a Dodger avatar but an A's one to. On the second page of the avaters there is a Dodger and A's avater.:D :D :D

[Jake83]

Dodgers playing best baseball of the year right now. We need to keep pace with the Madres and bury the Giants because the other 2 clubs will not be around in August.

[Jake83]

Braves-Phillies? Braves-Mets? Those are more important than any I can think of...
You mean Mets-Phillies in the NL East

[Yankee Legend]

You mean Mets-Phillies in the NL East

the only rivalry in the NL East is Braves vs. Mets, Phillies, Marlins, Nationals

[mojorisin71]

Fish/Phillies is brutal as well (for the Phillies, that is)

[Jake83]

The speed that Furcal and Lofton bring to the table espically with Nooooomar
hitting 3rd is dangerous to opponents

[west coast orange and black]

ok, man, lay yer avatar on me.
i will wear it for two weeks per our bet.

[Jake83]

ok, man, lay yer avatar on me.
i will wear it for two weeks per our bet.

Your new avater will be the Dodger and A's avater on the second page of baseball fever's avaters.

[west coast orange and black]

only 20,159 more minutes with that frickin' frackin' thing!

[west coast orange and black]

maybe the big men'll get yer boys the next time 'round.

[Jake83]

I love it WCOB. I couldn't just stick you with a Dodger avater I had to also help my friends from across the Bay.

[KHenry14]

Could be worse Tony, could look something like:

http://www.thepolemicist.com/tommy_lasorda.jpg

[Jake83]

Could be worse Tony, could look something like:

http://www.thepolemicist.com/tommy_lasorda.jpg


I am saving that for you

[KHenry14]

I am saving that for you

AAIIIIEEEEEEE!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[west coast orange and black]

while i do have mixed feelings about tommy... most of them involve ill will. :dance

[west coast orange and black]

the big men and the hated dodgers meet next month on the 19th, 20th and 21st... and i am going to all 3!

i gotta configure an avatar worthy of the occasion.

[Jake83]

AAIIIIEEEEEEE!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


Eveyone loves Tommy.......

[Jake83]

the big men and the hated dodgers meet next month on the 19th, 20th and 21st... and i am going to all 3!

i gotta configure an avatar worthy of the occasion.


Series at the Ravine?

Just as long as it is not the Jints second basemen of the late 80's and early 90's......

[Honus Wagner Rules]

while i do have mixed feelings about tommy... most of them involve ill will. :dance
You know over the years I've gain a little respect for ole Tommy. I liked how he enjoyed being booed at the Stick and how he led the 2000 U.S. Olympic baseball team to the gold medal.

[Jake83]

Tommy is a guy who loves to bring passion to people and alot of the passion is hate.

[Jake83]

only 20,159 more minutes with that frickin' frackin' thing!



It looks wonderful WCOB. You can blame the Dodger speed for your lost.

[Where is Chone Figgins]

To bad the Dodgers have the worst pitching in the NL

[mojorisin71]

To bad the Dodgers have the worst pitching in the NL
And yet we're not the ones in last place.

[Jake83]

To bad the Dodgers have the worst pitching in the NL


You should tell Casey Kotchman to say away from the girls in Orange County you do not want him to catch another case of Mono.

[Gagne#3 8]

the big men and the hated dodgers meet next month on the 19th, 20th and 21st... and i am going to all 3!

i gotta configure an avatar worthy of the occasion.


The Hated Gnats have to win the series 1st

[Gagne#3 8]

To bad the Dodgers have the worst pitching in the NL


That Jeff Weaver is a real ace right

[Elvis]

That Jeff Weaver is a real ace right

Those poor anaheim fans... no rivalrys so they have to crash our party.:rolleyes:

[Where is Chone Figgins]

Those poor anaheim fans... no rivalrys so they have to crash our party.:rolleyes:


We can not have a rivarly against a team who since 1988 has had the sucess equal to the Kansas City Royals

[Where is Chone Figgins]

You should tell Casey Kotchman to say away from the girls in Orange County you do not want him to catch another case of Mono.


I told Kotch about your sister :laugh :laugh :laugh

[UnderPressure]

We can not have a rivarly against a team who since 1988 has had the sucess equal to the Kansas City Royals


We cannot have a rivalry if Dodger fans generally don't give a crap about you and your team.

[mojorisin71]

We can not have a rivarly against a team who since 1988 has had the sucess equal to the Kansas City Royals
And for 14 out of those 18 years, the Angels were in the same boat. It's all the same.

[Elvis]

And for 14 out of those 18 years, the Angels were in the same boat. It's all the same.

Actually, the Royals have won twice as many pennants as the Angels. :)

[Mattingly]

Could be worse Tony, could look something like:

http://www.thepolemicist.com/tommy_lasorda.jpg
Nahhhhhhhhhhh, you need a pic of when Tommy got bowled over with a foul ball at the All-Star Game from around 2002 or so. Boy, did he make the boys laugh after he'd said he was OK. That was a truly comical baseball moment! :p