Will the Dodgers win the NL west [Archive]

View Full Version : Will the Dodgers win the NL west

Jake83

12-18-2005, 09:24 AM

After having a year to forget for the Dodgers. We have came back strong this offseason by signing Mueller, Furcal, Nomar and now hopefully Reggie Sanders and re sign Jeff Weaver.

wilkerson_rulz-06

12-18-2005, 09:41 AM

Don't care.
Hate Dodgers(see Blue Monday, Dodgers vs. Expos)
Hope Dodgers and Rick Monday's legacy fold.
GO ANGELS! :laugh

Astro

12-18-2005, 10:44 AM

Everyone should care, because its a baseball division and the winner makes the playoffs... so if your a fan of baseball at all you should care which team makes the playoffs

But to the question: They should win the division, but then again thats not very hard... however for them to win in the playoffs theyre gonna need good performances out of their SPs... Edwin Jackson needs to live up to the hype

UnderPressure

12-18-2005, 11:11 AM

Don't care.
Hate Dodgers(see Blue Monday, Dodgers vs. Expos)
Hope Dodgers and Rick Monday's legacy fold.
GO ANGELS! :laugh

Could've just said "Go Giants" or something. Jeez, the Angels aren't our rivals (well, to Angel fans, they are).

Jake83

12-18-2005, 11:59 AM

Don't care.
Hate Dodgers(see Blue Monday, Dodgers vs. Expos)
Hope Dodgers and Rick Monday's legacy fold.
GO ANGELS! :laugh

Pourquoi detester le mieux

Brannu

12-18-2005, 03:05 PM

Pitching wins ballgames ... and, although I like some of those pickups also, their pitching doesn't become intimidating until the 9th inning. But, as we all know, you have to get him (Gagne) the ball.

If their pitching can stand up ... they can be really good. If not ... well ... you know.

(I voted "no", by the way)

Dasperp

12-18-2005, 03:14 PM

To me the Dodgers are starting to look like Giants version 2.0. They can be good as long as their old guys don't decline and their injury-prone guys don't get injured. That said, i think it's a good sign that Colletti hasn't given up much young talent to achieve short-term success and appease the LA media and the McCourts. If Barry Bonds is healthy this year, then the Giants are the favorites. But if he declines a lot or gets hurt, then i'd go with LA.

The Big C

12-18-2005, 10:24 PM

They very well might, but I won't be watching. I'll catch a day game here or there, but mostly I sleep during the times west coast night games are on.

Honus Wagner Rules

12-18-2005, 10:28 PM

After having a year to forget for the Dodgers. We have came back strong this offseason by signing Mueller, Furcal, Nomar and now hopefully Reggie Sanders and re sign Jeff Weaver.

I'm glad the trolley dodgers wasted their money on these retreads (other than Furcal). Makes it easier for the Giants to win the NL West next year.

Jake83

12-18-2005, 10:42 PM

I'm glad the trolley dodgers wasted their money on these retreads (other than Furcal). Makes it easier for the Giants to win the NL West next year.

The Gnats will be where they belong behind the Blue

Honus Wagner Rules

12-18-2005, 10:48 PM

The Gnats will be where they belong behind the Blue

<yawn> I'm sorry did you say something? ;)

Elvis

12-19-2005, 12:02 AM

<yawn> I'm sorry did you say something? ;)

You should pay attention to the truth...it will set you free from the black (and orange) curse.

Jake83

12-19-2005, 12:38 AM

The Black Death of the Gnats

RobertHConner

12-19-2005, 08:14 PM

Dravecky43

12-19-2005, 09:05 PM

Yeah, I think that's about right, RHC. I think Bonds anywhere near the playing field gives the Giants a huge boost. If we had Barry for only two months of last season we probably would have won the West. And just think: With Barry, Randy Winn, Armando Benitez, Matt Cain, and Moises Alou for full seasons, and Matt Morris instead of Brett Tomko, this team could be VERY good.

I'm confused about those Playoff numbers you have, though. Are those figures the amount of games each team has played in each round? Because the Giants have only played in four Division Series and six NLCS. Da Jints have been in the World Series 16 times (three in SF) and won it five times (not counting this coming year).

Also, you do mean Sandy Koufax, not Alomar, right?

mojorisin71

12-19-2005, 09:08 PM

He meant Alomar. John Smoltz holds the record for most postseason wins, and that's about 15, I think.

Jake83

12-19-2005, 09:12 PM

Honus Wagner Rules

12-19-2005, 09:15 PM

I expect two of the Dodger pitchers to break out this year because our offesne is all ready 10 times better with a stronger defense in the infield.

I expext the Dodgers to win around 88 which in my opinion should be good enough to win this divison. But a Gnat Dodger finish in the NL West would be perfect.
And which two trolley dodger pitchers would that be? And whatever happened to Edwin Jackson? I stashed him away on my fantasy team for a while.

Jake83

12-19-2005, 09:16 PM

And which two trolley dodger pitcher would that be? And whatever happened to Edwin Jackson? I stashed him away on my fantasy team for a while.

Lowe hopefully

Penny and Perez should break out this year they are about at the right age to have an unbelievable year

mojorisin71

12-19-2005, 09:24 PM

I wouldn't put my money on Odalis having a break-out year. I think Houlton (if he's still in the rotation) can improve a lot on last year (remember, he was actually beating Roger Clemens in July), and Penny should have his stuff together as well. The only Giant pitcher I fear is Morris, as he's thrown some pretty good games against LA when he was with the Cards. But we've beaten him as well (most notably in the playoffs), and Schmidt isn't the same pitcher he used to be. And we haven't seen Matt Cain yet.

Should be an interesting race in the NL West. But I'm not too sure it will only be a two-team race.

Dravecky43

12-19-2005, 10:25 PM

a Giant-Dodger finish in the NL West would be perfect.

You can say that again.

And whatever happened to Edwin Jackson? I stashed him away on my fantasy team for a while

Same here. Those darn dodgers never pan out. That Gagne guy nearly screwed my team this year. Good thing I had Joe Nathan as a backup.

And we haven't seen Matt Cain yet

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

But I'm not too sure it will only be a two-team race Yeah, I don't think the Padres have all of a sudden become horrible. Although horrible would still give a team a chance in the NL West. Except if your name is Colorado.

Dravecky43

12-19-2005, 10:28 PM

He meant Alomar. John Smoltz holds the record for most postseason wins, and that's about 15, I think.

Ah, would those playoff numbers be referring to the combined amount of playoff games played by the players on each team? I see.

Dasperp

12-19-2005, 10:37 PM

I wouldn't rely too much on Matt Morris. His K-rate has been declining every year since 2001, and i think he's only a league average pitcher at this point.

Jake83

12-19-2005, 11:05 PM

The Gnat fans are never in reality towards their club

Dravecky43

12-20-2005, 12:01 AM

The Gnat fans are never in reality towards their club
Uh, who's talking?

Whoever your team is the Dodgers are better

Yeah, right.

Astro

12-20-2005, 03:29 AM

let's break down the favorites:

LA/position/SF
Nomar/1B/Niekro, Sweeney
offense: LA defense: SF edge: too soon to tell
Kent/2B/Durham
offense: LA defense: SF edge: LA
Furcal/SS/Vizquel
offense: Furcal defense: Vizquel edge: SF
Mueller/3B/Alfonzo, Feliz
offense: wash defense: wash edge: wash
Navarro, Alomar, Phillips/C/Matheny
offense: Matheny defense: Matheny edge: SF
Drew, Cruz Jr./RF/Alou
offense: Drew (if heathy, won't be) defense: Drew/Cruz edge LA (if Drew survives)
Lofton/CF/Winn
offense: Winn defense: Winn edge: SF
Werth, Cruz/LF/Bonds
offense: Bonds defense: not Bonds edge: SF

Starting Rotation
Weaver(?), Lowe, Perez, Penny, Jackson
vs.
Schmidt, Morris, Lowery, Hennessey, Cain
edge: SF

Bullpen
Gagne, Sanchez, Brazoban, Osoria/Kuo/Schmoll/Houlton/Broxton??
vs.
Benitez, Kline, Worrell, Walker, Munter, Taschner, Fassero
edge: SF

Manager: Alou over Little
Fans: SF (attendance, innings watched)
GM: Sabean over Ned

Defense: Giants
Pitching: Giants
Offense: Giants
MGR/GM/Fans: Giants
Playoff Experience: wash
LA: 169 Div. Ser.-109 LCS-40 WS= 318 total games...9 LCS rings, 3 WS rings
SF: 141 Div. Ser.-120 LCS-53 WS= 314 total games...13 LCS rings, 1 WS ring
(49 of Dodgers postseason games belong to Sandy Alomar...who we can all agree hasn't been a productive member of anything for quite a few years)

I can't really compare benches until we know how the pieces fall into place at a later date.
Ummm... I'll be a non-objective person in this

Nomar over Niekro/Sweeney - 1-0 LA
Kent over Durham - 2-0 LA
Furcal over Vizquel (not even close) - 3-0 LA
Mueller over Alfonso - 4-0 LA
Matheny over LA's 3 Catchers (for now, Matheny cant really hit) - 4-1 LA
Drew over Alou - 5-1 LA
Winn over Lofton - 5-2 LA
Bonds over Werth - 5-3 LA

Rotation - Draw... Schmidt is the best of the bunch but LA's 1-3 is better than SF's (Weaver, Perez, Penny vs Schmidt, Morris, Cain), Lowe over Lowery, Jackson and Hennessey nothin to right home about (Jackson has potential, Hennessey has potential to be a #4 starter)

Bullpen - Los Angeles... Gagne is far better than Benitez, Duaner Sanchez and Yhency Brazoban are better than Worrell and Kline, the rest doesnt really matter and is more of the same

Manager: Little-Alou ... Too close to tell
Fans: Even
GM: Sabean over Ned

Defense: Giants
Pitching: Dodgers
Offense: Dodgers
MGR/GM/Fans: Giants (barely)
Playoff Experience: Giants (Just went to the World Series a few seasons back)

Overall: Los Angeles battles with San Diego for the division... with the Giants placing 3rd

RobertHConner

12-20-2005, 07:30 AM

There's no reality there! I live in Atlanta & watch Furcal about 100 times a year (w/ MLB Extra Innings I watch over half of San Francisco's games & quite a few Dodgers games). Vizquel is a much better baseball player. He's a better small ball player. Furcal has averaged 27.3 errors per 162 games for his career!!! He's a career .965 fielder w/ good range, a strong arm & atrocious in-game decision making skills. Did the Dodgers even bother to look at his home/away splits? He hit .321 at Atlanta's Turner Field....246 on the road! There was also a .071 OBP differential & a .162 SLG difference in home/away. It wasn't a fluke...his 2002-2004 splits are lopsided as well. He hit .266 on the road vs. .306 at home. He's 8-54 (.154) at Dodger Stadium since 2002. He's 6-52 (.115) at SBC since 2002. He's 15-46 at Coors Field over that span (obviously a plus). 21-56 (.375) at the BoB doesn't hurt either. 3-22 (.136) at Petco. And based on all of this the Dodgers made this young man with off-field issues (2 DUI's:coffee -jail time for the 2nd one, lied to Braves about his age and wasn't found out until police dropped underage drinking/DWI to just plain old DWI when it was discovered that he was two years older than anyone knew) the highest paid shortstop in the game. Hmmmm. Given that Furcal only led Omar by .013 AVG, .007 OBP, .071 SLG, I don't think you give the nod the a vastly inferior shortstop who was somewhat pathetic on the road offensively. Defense matters! Furcal had 38 more plate appearances than Vizquel. He hit into one more double play, struck out 20 more times & walked just 6 more times than Omar. There's no basis for giving the edge to Furcal. It clearly stays with Vizquel. Furcal is 12-50 (.240) vs. SF's starting 5 (3 2B/0 3B or HR/5 BB/9 K)

First Base was listed as too soon to tell because, unless you've seen what no one else has seen, Nomar has never played 1B. There's absolutely no reason to believe he will shine there. Given that Kent & Furcal occupy the middle infield, this could get ugly in L.A. ...Lowe is sinker ball pitcher who is going to suffer tremendously with that infield behind him. Nomar has played 145 or more Games 3 times in his career. He's averaged just 588.7 defensive innings aper year over the past two seasons. Health & defense make it impossible to clearly give this position to the Dodgers. I don't see how I was unreasonable on this.:noidea

Bill Mueller 2003-2005 w/ Red Sox- at Fenway: 234-728 (.321)...everywhere else: 203-714 (.284). He'll be 35. Alfonzo/Chavez/Feliz combo only as Third Basemen 608 ab/161 h/30 2b/3 3b/11 hr/75 rbi/60 r/41 bb/79 k/1 sb
'05 Mueller 519 ab/153 h/34 2b/3 3b/10 hr/62 rbi/69 r/59 bb/74 k/0 sb
Alfonzo .314 to .240 home/away (yikes)
career fielding %- Mueller .960/2.40 RFg
Feliz .958/1.98 RFg
Alfonzo: .968/2.50 RFg
I still say it's too tough to call, but I lean ever so slighty towards Mueller

Mike Matheny's offense questioned? Are you just looking at AVG or what? Because production means more. Michael Barrett won the Silver Slugger for catcher's...
Barrett v. Matheny
.276 AVG .242
16 HR 13
61 RBI 59
48 R 42
32 2B 34
.308 5 hr 46 rbi RISP .311 4 hr 47 rbi
.255 1 hr 18 rbi RISP 2 out .341 0 hr 19 rbi
Barrett earned it, but Matheny was among the top 2 or 3 catchers when it came to HR & RBI. Obviously he's pretty clutch with RISP & he hit .375 w/ Grand Slam in 8 opp. w/ bases loaded.:cool:

Starting pitching even? That is absolutely laughable. Schmidt, Morris, Lowery blows away any three L.A. starters. Weaver isn't a Dodger, I was simply giving them the benefit of the doubt that they'd end up with someone decent. Matt Cain appears to be all that was promised. There's no competition here with Rueter & Tomko gone. The Giants had the NL's #1 team ERA from August 1st on. Schmidt's health is a fair thing to attack. But even in a throw away season he still managed a 12-7 record. Schmidt & Lowery own LA. Never mind my landlord, the Dodgers infield is going to K-I-L-L Lowe.:laugh

Bullpen: Benitez/Munter/Taschner/Kline/Worrell/Walker are better.

Alou and Little both frustrate the crap out of fans at times, but Alou has the track record. With a remotely healthy team Alou won't have to experiment with the pitching staff so much. Dave Righetti is one of the best 3 or 4 pitching coaches in baseball.

Right Field: Drew has averaged 112.2 Games per season since 2001. He's coming off of major surgery. Alou has averaged 139.4. If both are healthy I give it to Drew, but he's was only healthy in Atlanta & still missed 17 games there. A 5-year deal for a player as healthy as Drew is one of the most baffling moves I can recall. It's right up there w/ overpaying a shortstop who never hit well outside of Atlanta & is shakey on Defense.:dance

I would have preferred to see Snow stay in San Francisco. If it's not working out at First Base & Snow hasn't signed with another club, I wouldn't be surprised to see Snow back shortly after May 1st. That was the only off-season move I've disliked.:(

The Giants went into Spring Training as the best team in the West last Year. It's even more convincing this year.:gt

It makes no sense to question someone's objectivity & then make unsubstantiated proclaimations based on dusty memories of Nomar, Mueller w/o Manny/Ortiz hitting behind him, a healthy J.D. Drew, an unresearched Furcal & a pitching staff that actually got worse.:noidea

I've changed my mind. Not about the division, but about 3B. I do recall being very hopeful when I heard we were talking to Mueller. I did want to see him back in San Francisco. I give the hot corner to L.A. :(

Like to see the Giants get a veteran backup infielder and/or younger 4th outfielder. I wouldn't mess with the pitching staff at all. I doubt many Dodgers fans would make that statement about their club. I'd trade Kevin Correia (though I do like him), Pedro Feliz & a minor leaguer to Texas for Hank Blalock if he took the early part of the season to prove he could get his OBP above the level of pathetic. Oh, L.A. fans...anyone can tell you that your new leadoff hitter doesn't get on base a whole hell of a lot:waving .

Jake83

12-20-2005, 09:03 AM

Dodgers linup is alot nore potent in my opinion than the Gnats

Pitching is equal with Dodgers having more upside

RobertHConner

12-20-2005, 10:18 AM

Overall: Los Angeles battles with San Diego for the division... with the Giants placing 3rd

Can't help thinking we should be hearing that infamous Howard Dean screech after that proclaimation.:D

mojorisin71

12-20-2005, 10:44 AM

Bullpen is a wash. Eyre was the only one who effectively shut out the Dodgers, and he's in Chicago now. We didn't see much of Taschner or Munter last year, and we saw plenty of Accardo (gave up two game-winning hits on back-to-back nights in September) and Benitez (victim of two Dodger 9th-inning comebacks). Worrell doesn't scare me, and neither does Walker. Kline remains to be seen. We have Brazoban (a gas can) and Sanchez (very inconsistent). I don't think either pen is superior over the other.

RobertHConner

12-20-2005, 11:27 AM

RobertHConner

12-20-2005, 11:39 AM

notice I haven't put Accardo in the mix. If I recall Hawkins played a large part in those meltdowns. These bullpens have to go up against the other NL teams as well...let's not lose sight of that fact.

mojorisin71

12-20-2005, 02:03 PM

Not against the Dodgers, though. The September 6 meltdown was all Accardo, and the September 7 was all Benitez. Hawkins actually did pretty well against LA last year.

Astro

12-20-2005, 02:15 PM

'06 SF starters in 2005= 46-39 (.541)...Schmidt, Morris & Cain had winning records...Lowery was .500 (13-13)....Hennessey had the only losing record

'06 LA Starters in 2005= 34-43 (.442)...Perez, Penny, Lowe & Houlton had losing records...Jackson's the only who didn't (2-2) if LA gets Weaver back he was 14-11, which would change record to 42-41 (.506) (removing Houlton's record}

post All-Star break
Schmidt...6-2 3.66
Morris...4-8 5.32:ughh (10-2 before break)
Lowery...8-4 2.43:clapping
Cain...2-1 2.33:D
Hennessey...2-6 4.43:hp

Lowe...7-6 3.17
Penny...2-4 4.48;)
Perez...3-3 4.09
Jackson...2-2 6.28:eek:
Houlton...2-7 4.62:o
Weaver...7-3 3.97

career winning pct.
SF starters- 245-167 (.595)
LA starters- 282-278 (.504)
And records matter? Uhhhh no... a pitchers record is one of the most overrated stats there are, mainly because they can give up 1 run in 8 innings and lose as opposed to 4 in 5 and win

Robert you need to look at numbers from many years, not just one... use a range of 3 years to determine who the better player is, if a player is coming off a career year it doesnt automatically make him better than someone who is consistently good...

Don't know how you can say SF's bullpen is better, Gagne is the best in the business and Sanchez and Brazoban are better than Worrell and Kline easily...

The Giants will finish 3rd, mainly because 3/4 of their team could apply for welfare... that and the Dodgers and Padres are better

Honus Wagner Rules

12-20-2005, 02:22 PM

And records matter? Uhhhh no... a pitchers record is one of the most overrated stats there are, mainly because they can give up 1 run in 8 innings and lose as opposed to 4 in 5 and win

Robert you need to look at numbers from many years, not just one... use a range of 3 years to determine who the better player is, if a player is coming off a career year it doesnt automatically make him better than someone who is consistently good...

Don't know how you can say SF's bullpen is better, Gagne is the best in the business and Sanchez and Brazoban are better than Worrell and Kline easily...

The Giants will finish 3rd, mainly because 3/4 of their team could apply for welfare... that and the Dodgers and Padres are better
The same Gagne coming off of Tommy John surgery? The same Brazoban with the 4-10 record, 5.33 ERA and 1.40 WHIP in 2005? We shall see.

bostonredsox1975

12-20-2005, 02:47 PM

Don't care.
Hate Dodgers(see Blue Monday, Dodgers vs. Expos)
Hope Dodgers and Rick Monday's legacy fold.
GO ANGELS! :laugh

Do you like Major League Baseball or just the Expos?

Brannu

12-20-2005, 06:16 PM

First of all ... Moises Alou is better than J.D. Drew. Drew had one good season ... Moises is a seasoned veteran.

Now, the main reason that The Dodgers will not win the west, outside of their not nearly effective pitching, is the fact that if Barry Bonds is healthy ... The Giants are healthy. :) Barry Bonds' presence in the middle of that lineup changes everything ... so much so that Moises might have 140 RBI next year. Everybody in front of Barry will see good pitches ... and Moises will have opportunity after opportunity - for sure.

On top of that ... I really don't think that The Dodgers have made that much of a significant difference. Furcal is a good pickup at way too high of a price. But, as a team, they have more question marks than solid answers. Will Nomar stay healthy and be as good as he was before the injury bug knocked him down? Will J.D. Drew stay healthy and hit as well as he did in one season with Atlanta (not probable)? Is Mueller on the decline? Lofton? Sandy Alomar has been. Will Weaver ever become consistent? Will Penny stay healthy long enough to be good? Can Lowe be as good as he was in the second half? Who's Edwin Jackson? Some of us really know who he is, but, he hasn''t shown solid enough stuff to be KNOWN. He did beat Randy Johnson in his first ML start, though.

With that said, let me say that I used to love The Dodgers ... I hated the Giants ... but, this team that is being assembled looks more like a patch job than an actual threat to win the division. They'll stop the bleeding for a minute, but in no way will they be a threatening force. Not even close.

Astro

12-20-2005, 08:55 PM

The Giants are getting old aswell, most of their good players are getting toward points in their career where players start to decline

Elvis

12-20-2005, 09:47 PM

You guys are seriously thinking you can make accurate predictions by using statistics? :laugh

Statheads are seldom right on any predictions. But it makes for amusing threads. Anyone have the stats on tomorrow's Lotto numbers? I'd like to be filthy rich.

Astro

12-21-2005, 02:20 AM

Statheads are seldom right on any predictions.

Erm... righhhhhhhhhht

Jake83

12-21-2005, 02:56 AM

1. Dodgers 86-90
2. Gnats 82-85
3. Madres 75-80
4. Garden Snakes 70-75
5. Colorado 65-70

Right that down. Bet on it. That is how the NL West will end up

Dravecky43

12-21-2005, 03:04 AM

And records matter? Uhhhh no... a pitchers record is one of the most overrated stats there are, mainly because they can give up 1 run in 8 innings and lose as opposed to 4 in 5 and win
Wins and losses are not that overrated. Yeah, a guy can go 8, give up 1, and get the loss when he should have had the win. And he can get the win instead of the loss sometimes when they go 5 and give up 4. It happens. But the key word two sentences ago was SOMETIMES. More than half of the time, when a starter pitches well, he will get the win. I don't have the exact stats, but I'm sure it's about 60 or 70 percent. The outcasts that you mentioned don't happen enough to seriously affect the overall numbers. The Rotation Win % of .595 and .504 are so far apart that a bad offense on a great pitching night won't change the outcome too much, and vice versa.

The Giants will finish 3rd, mainly because 3/4 of their team could apply for welfare... that and the Dodgers and Padres are better

Uh, which NL West are you talking about? What year in the past did you use for this example? Or, in your words, "Erm... righhhhhhhhhht"

Dravecky43

12-21-2005, 03:08 AM

1. Dodgers 86-90
2. Gnats 82-85
3. Madres 75-80
4. Garden Snakes 70-75
5. Colorado 65-70

Right that down. Bet on it. That is how the NL West will end up

Erm... righhhhhhhhhht Nice math.

UnderPressure

12-21-2005, 10:27 AM

Dodgers
Giants
Diamondbacks
Padres
Rockies

trosmok

12-21-2005, 02:02 PM

It will be a little disconcerting to see all those players from different teams sporting Dodger blue in '06. But, the bigger question will be if any team in the NL West will finish above .500 next season. Jeezer, who would have guessed only the Padres in '05 did, and that was just barely.:eek:

Dravecky43

12-21-2005, 07:08 PM

Yeah, I was kinda hoping for the Padres to go all the way and show the rest of baseball that the NL West still has SOME talent left and that the sub-.500 thing was a fluke. Oh, well.

Giants
Padres
D-Backs
Rockies
dodgers

Ok, actually:

Giants
Padres
dodgers
D-Backs
Rockies

Astro

12-21-2005, 08:29 PM

Erm... righhhhhhhhhht Nice math.
I think he means that is the amount of wins the teams will have...

penguinfan

12-21-2005, 08:44 PM

The Gnats will be where they belong behind the Blue

:clapping :clapping :clapping
I agree with you!!

Jake83

12-21-2005, 08:48 PM

I think he means that is the amount of wins the teams will have...

He is a little slow. You have to guide him at times

UnderPressure

12-21-2005, 09:40 PM

Dravecky43

12-22-2005, 12:22 AM

Do you intentionally use lower case 'd' for the Dodgers?
How'd you guess?

He is a little slow. You have to guide him at times
Real funny. It's Christmas break from school. My brain isn't working at full capacity right now. You know how it is for college students.

DownUnderDodger

12-22-2005, 01:21 AM

I am very surprised that the result was not very much in favour "who cares" but that aside, I voted "YES". Why you may ask? Because I am a supreme optimist!! Oh ~ and I think they have bought wisely! And for you Giants fans - Barry will not come back anywhere near as good as he has been!!

Jake83

12-22-2005, 01:24 AM

Being a Gnat fan I believe is some sort of psychological disorder

Elvis

12-22-2005, 01:31 AM

And for you Giants fans - Barry will not come back anywhere near as good as he has been!!

I wouldn't be so sure...steroid technology is improving everyday.

Gagne#3 8

12-22-2005, 01:50 AM

Dodgers in my opinion are better in the 3 phases than the Ginats or Padres

We should win the divsion by at least 5 maybe 10 games:D

UnderPressure

12-22-2005, 09:57 AM

How'd you guess.

Uh, because you're from Northern California? :laugh

Being a Gnat fan I believe is some sort of psychological disorder

mojorisin71

12-22-2005, 10:41 AM

Since when did this discussion turn into good, old-fashioned Dodgers/Giants mudslinging? We're here to talk about the Dodgers' chances of winning the division. We don't need ad hominem attacks against other posters here. I've already recommended a couple of sites where you can talk smack all you want.

Back to the thread's topic, the Dodgers just picked up Brett Tomko as a free agent. The guy hasn't had an ERA below 4.00 and he's given up more than one hit an inning in the last five years. But the Dodgers have a tendency of making mediocre pitchers somewhat decent (i.e. Lima, Astacio, Park). What say you?

digglahhh

12-22-2005, 11:18 AM

At what point should this be moved into the Dodgers forum?

You guys are spending way too much time and energy on premature speculation.

This thread has devolved into bickering between fans over their prefered franchises, not much "Current Events" merit left here.

mojorisin71

12-22-2005, 11:49 AM

Good point. I'll have to ask Annie, Matt, and the Captain about that.

Captain Cold Nose

12-22-2005, 11:54 AM

Good point. I'll have to ask Annie, Matt, and the Captain about that.
Since you pretty much gave it the ok, mojo, let's move it.

Jake83

12-22-2005, 12:37 PM

With addition of Tomko and Colletti going after Weaver or Millwood the Dodger rotation may end up being 2 times better than the Gnats

Jake83

12-22-2005, 03:12 PM

600th post

Dravecky43

12-22-2005, 08:05 PM

With addition of Tomko and Colletti going after Weaver or Millwood the Dodger rotation may end up being 2 times better than the Gnats

TOMKO? HAH! TOMKO? YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! What'd he get, four million a year for two years? Oh, yeah, Colletti's a GREAT general manager. He picked up the TOMKO joke? For the first time in my life, I feel sorry for you dodger fans. You're gonna have to watch him pitch. It's bad for humankind.

Yeah, if you get Weaver AND Millwood, you rotation might be a tad better than the Giants'. But no way will it be two times better unless you trade for a Pedro type.

I applaud the choice to move this from the Current Events forum. It has just become a way for misguided people to make themselves feel better by blasting the best team in the business.

GO GIANTS!

Jake83

12-22-2005, 08:08 PM

blasting the best team in the business.

GO GIANTS!

When was last time the SF Giants were the best team in baseball

Gnat fans out of reality like I said I am serious they are looking into placing being a Gnat fan as a psychological disorder

DownUnderDodger

12-24-2005, 02:57 AM

Since when did this discussion turn into good, old-fashioned Dodgers/Giants mudslinging? We're here to talk about the Dodgers' chances of winning the division. We don't need ad hominem attacks against other posters here. I've already recommended a couple of sites where you can talk smack all you want.

Yep - I guess we could try to make some inroads into the "Bitter Rivalry" thread which seems to be dominated by Yanks and Bosox!!

Gagne#3 8

12-24-2005, 03:54 AM

When the gloves go on and the bell rings Gnat fans are no where to be seen

Mariachiman

01-01-2006, 03:38 AM

I think we should be the favorite in the divison. The Padres have taken a step back while the Giants have gotten a year older

mojorisin71

01-01-2006, 12:18 PM

Technically, ALL teams have gotten a year older.

I just don't think that trading Alfonzo for a 40-year-old Steve Finley is going to actually help the Giants.

donzblock

01-02-2006, 05:31 AM

I think we should be the favorite in the divison. The Padres have taken a step back while the Giants have gotten a year older
Forces you may be unaware of have been working very hard to see to it that the LA NL team ends up as the prohibitive favorite for 2006.

Elvis

01-02-2006, 09:50 AM

Oh no, not that goofy curse again?

UnderPressure

01-02-2006, 10:54 AM

I love it when Brooklynites refuse to call the (Los Angeles) Dodgers, the Dodgers.

Yankeebiscuitfan

01-02-2006, 11:21 AM

Pourquoi detester le mieux

Why hate the best?

They must prove they are the best. On paper they have the best team. And because the Padres and Giants made hardly any key additions, the Dodgers might win the division.

Again, on paper they have the best team, but that is something that has been said about a lot of other teams in the past as well... and they did not live up to the expectations.

DannyLA

01-02-2006, 09:26 PM

Not against the Dodgers, though. The September 6 meltdown was all Accardo, and the September 7 was all Benitez. Hawkins actually did pretty well against LA last year.

Benitez had the meltdown at the Dodgers season opener as well. Ellison with the assist as he muffed the groundball in the outfield.

DannyLA

01-02-2006, 09:28 PM

The same Gagne coming off of Tommy John surgery? The same Brazoban with the 4-10 record, 5.33 ERA and 1.40 WHIP in 2005? We shall see.

Gagne is not coming off of Tommy John surgery.

Gagne#3 8

01-03-2006, 03:56 AM

Forces you may be unaware of have been working very hard to see to it that the LA NL team ends up as the prohibitive favorite for 2006.

Lay off the cough syrup

Where is Chone Figgins

01-03-2006, 04:51 AM

Overlooking the Padres again. Didn't you guys have the same problem last year

Mariachiman

01-03-2006, 05:46 AM

Overlooking the Padres again. Didn't you guys have the same problem last year

No one is over looking the Padres. They have lost alot from last year's team Eaton, Lawerence, Nady, and Loretta.

donzblock

01-03-2006, 08:06 AM

Oh no, not that goofy curse again?
Are you judging my Curse, sir? "Goofy" sounds negative to me.

UnderPressure

01-03-2006, 09:16 AM

Now it's even, 17-17. :)

The 'no' option has been stuck to 17 for 2 weeks.

mojorisin71

01-03-2006, 11:42 AM

Please refrain from ad hominem attacks against any BBF members.

The Professor (donzblock) is one of the most respected members, and he is a longtime Brooklyn Dodger fan who has seen more baseball than any of us LA Dodger fans. If you research what O'Malley did to Brooklyn, you'll see that their hatred of the LA Dodgers is justified.

Like I said, take the time to check out the other forums here. You're guaranteed to learn a lot. I used to think I knew baseball until I came here.

mojorisin71

01-03-2006, 11:43 AM

Are you judging my Curse, sir? "Goofy" sounds negative to me.
Aren't all curses negative by definition?

Elvis

01-03-2006, 12:25 PM

Are you judging my Curse, sir? "Goofy" sounds negative to me.

Yes, I am. I have the right to denounce your curse any way I see fit. However, I would never judge you. That's what happens after you die. Eventually you'll see there is a difference.

By the way, Goofy isn't negative, just childish, which is a quality I admire in you. ;) I love you, Donzy! :D But aren't curses to be performed by witch doctors only? You're not a witch, are you? :eek:

Dravecky43

01-04-2006, 02:40 AM

Now it's even, 17-17. :)

The 'no' option has been stuck to 17 for 2 weeks.
Isn't that about the time this thread was moved into this section out of Current Events?

Elvis

01-04-2006, 10:43 AM

If you research what O'Malley did to Brooklyn, you'll see that their hatred of the LA Dodgers is justified.

Sorry, Mojo, but my faith teaches that hatred is never justified.

UnderPressure

01-04-2006, 01:05 PM

Isn't that about the time this thread was moved into this section out of Current Events?

Yes, you're right. Thanks to Bluesteve32 and Where is Chone Figgins for also voting "Yes." :cool:

Jake83

01-06-2006, 09:11 AM

Isn't that about the time this thread was moved into this section out of Current Events?

It is even now that is all that matters

Dravecky43

01-06-2006, 11:30 PM

It is even now that is all that matters
LOL. You're funny.

DownUnderDodger

01-12-2006, 07:02 PM

But aren't curses to be performed by witch doctors only? You're not a witch, are you? :eek: Or a doctor :noidea :D