View Full Version : bringing in some big name players
RottenGazebo
12-08-2005, 01:15 PM
Do you think the Tigers should try to bring in one or two big name players such as Ortiz, Guerrero, or Bartolo Colon? This may bring more fans to the park and maybe boost the other Tigers players winning spirits. Pudge has brought some back, but as of lately has been a disappointment.
Paulmcall
12-08-2005, 04:33 PM
The BIG problem is not too many players want to join a "loser" franchise unless you overpay them (like Pudge). Of course, sometimes the player wakes up and doesn't like playing for a loser and it causes more problems (like Pudge).
Until the Tigers start winning with home grown talent, there won't be too many big stars who want to play here.
RottenGazebo
12-08-2005, 04:41 PM
What about Ken Griffey Jr.? Bringing him to Detroit would be like an up-grade for him.
racosun
12-08-2005, 05:32 PM
I'd take a pass on Griffey, but wouldn't mind bringing in a couple of his teammates such as Adam Dunn or Wily Mo Pena. If we were to bring in a top-shelf hitter, I'd prefer it be a third basemen or a left-fielder. Inge really is a super-sub, not an everyday 3B. Some are saying that the Tigers aren't all that satisfied with Inge's bat and are sort of looking for a replacement for him. With the fire sale in Florida nearing it's end, perhaps we could send our best prospects in return for Miguel Cabrera, who Florida said could be had for the right price. I'd even give them Verlander and perhaps Granderson, Thames or any other combo of young hitters. Cabrera is someone you should build a franchise around, and if he's available I think it would be worth it to give up the farm to bring him in.
I would also like to see Miguel Cabrera in Detroit. This is a one time opportunity that Tigers should not lose out on.
Captain Cold Nose
12-09-2005, 05:59 AM
What about Ken Griffey Jr.? Bringing him to Detroit would be like an up-grade for him.
Not really. Cincinnati is his home town. And he's a favorite of the owners, and a 10 and 5 player. It'll take more than he's worth to bring him here.
Detroit has always been a sports city that loves its star players, though. The overall idea is a good one. It'd be a true test for Dave Dombrowski if he can land some of these upper echelon players in spite of taking a step back last year.
I don't think the Tigers, or anybody else for that mater, will get Miguel Cabrera. He'll be a selling point for whichever city gets the Marlins.
Paulmcall
12-09-2005, 07:15 PM
Griffey is way too injury prone even if he would come here. Remember Juan Gonzales????
He takes up too much salary space as well.
I'd rather see the Tigers trade for players vs find them on the market. DD has a better track record. I'm almost certain Kevin Millwod and Jeff Weaver will not be in a Deroit uniform anytime soon; however, Kevin Brown seems like the kind of free agent they like to go after. Anyone think Jarrodd Washburn is worthy? I like Pedro Astacio and especially, Jamey Wright who pitches well in Comerica. As far as relievers, is Octavio Dotel or Matt Mantei through?
skeletor
12-19-2005, 11:14 AM
Well, the pickens are a tad slim this season, and very over priced..I
certainly don't wanna see DD 'panic' and sign one of those guys, for
way too much long green..down the line, it just hurts the team..and
puts a limit on future deals etc...Jones and Rogers..are ok..both are
over priced..in my opinion..I'm leery about Rogers..especially at 41,
as father time can strike without warning..I would have preferred
a one year deal..for Kenny..but then again, he might have a lot left
in the tank..and win 15 games plus for Leyland..and help tutor some
of the younger lions of the staff..Winning attitude is sorely needed..
as it's really been A.W.O.L. since the early 1990's...I think DD should
have pursued a trade with the Marlins...even take a roll of the dice..
but then again, I'm sure DD and the staff, know more than the average
joe..so I'm ok with the choice of not giving up some of the future, in
going after Florida's recent fire sale..Burnett, was a over priced ripoff,
and the Tribe's Millwood, is another vastly overpriced hurler..we need
a third sacker badly...too back we couldn't get Glaus..as DB's are
shopping him around..again, it'll be nice if the farm at Erie & Toledo,
started sending us some stud players..especially at catcher and
3rd base..as well as pitching..after a few decades of being pretty
much dead ..our farm system, is finally starting to come back..and
most good teams build from within...unless you're the Yankees, and
just go out and spend like a drunken sailor...:eek:
racosun
12-19-2005, 03:27 PM
I agree, skeletor. I'm glad that the Tigers didn't get caught up in the Burnett or BJ Ryan stakes. They are both decent players, but certainly not worth $100+ million over the next five years. Millwood is overrated, too. Again, he's a decent talent, but not worth the dollars he'll end up getting. Furcal is another big name that got immensly overpaid. Next year's FA crop is going to be infinitely better, and that'll cause the market prices to come down some too. Perhaps we can find a long-term catcher and third-sacker at that time. By then Verlander and Zumaya and Bonderman should be in full-force, and the farm system will be that much stronger.
The Free Press' Drew Sharp was very critical of the Tigers "lackadasical" attitude so far this off-season, which I strongly disagree with. He seemed quite perturbed that we couldn't snag Burnett or BJ Ryan or another strong bat. He's sooooo wrong. We managed to plug two glaring holes on the roster with aging-but-not-as-expensive FA's Jones and Rogers. That was very smart. We have a young stud closer gaining more experience in Toledo (Jason Karnuth, and possibly Mike Bumatay), as well as three or four quality young starters waiting in the wings (Verlander, Zumaya, Sleeth, Ledezma). By the time Jones and Rogers' contracts are up, the younger replacements should be ready, and we'll have the extra cash to plug other holes at that time. Sharp complains about the Tigers being "reckless" in years past with deals with Pudge and Ordonez, yet whines when we don't continue to overpay for sub-standard talent this year. He's off his rocker, and is simply fishing for any kind of story.
moldyoldie
12-23-2005, 04:20 AM
I'd rather see the Tigers develop young "stars" from within the system; it was how they were able to win championships in the past and will be the only way for them to do it in the present environment. It may take awhile, but it would be the kind of team Tigers fans can embrace as their own. We don't need professional mercenaries, except perhaps as stopgaps and fill-ins.
Don't trade prime young talent!
Now that Toronto has traded for 1B Lyle Overbay and 3B Troy Glauss, they have Eric Hinske, Corey Koskie, and Shea Hillenbrand on the roster. I think any one of them are upgrades over Brandon Inge at 3B full time. The Tigers were hot for Koskie last year, will they go after a 3B this off season?
RottenGazebo
01-02-2006, 05:22 PM
How about Todd Helton? He would be a good addition. He is DH, and Shelton is 1B.
moldyoldie
01-03-2006, 01:39 AM
How about Todd Helton? He would be a good addition. He is DH, and Shelton is 1B.
What happens with Dmitri and Pena? Helton's hitting stats are probably skewed by Coor's Field.
I might take a flyer on Koskie; if the price was right.
Todd Helton looks to be in slight decline and would likely cost Shelton. There's enough OF, 1B and DH on this team. 3B and RP appear to be the largest holes. Either way, this division is getting more competitive. Even KC is building a team.
RottenGazebo
01-05-2006, 04:20 PM
Todd Helton looks to be in slight decline and would likely cost Shelton. There's enough OF, 1B and DH on this team. 3B and RP appear to be the largest holes. Either way, this division is getting more competitive. Even KC is building a team.
Yeah, building a team. A team of what little girls and young pitchers?
NShlain
01-06-2006, 07:21 PM
I heard today on the radio (1270) that Dombrowski called the Orioles about Tejada, never going to happen though.
Anyone else hear this or know anything about it???
racosun
01-07-2006, 01:00 AM
I'm sure DD was just finding out what they would have to give up to get Tejada. I agree that this is a deal that won't happen. I think it could also disturb the clubhouse beyond what has happened already. Tejada (like Troy Glaus) took less money to play elsewhere, and wouldn't be too happy about being forced to play in Detroit. As good a hitter as Miguel is, it really wouldn't be worth giving up Verlander and a couple other prospects. You just have to know that the Orioles would want Verlander, Zumaya, and at least one other top prospect.
NShlain
01-07-2006, 02:59 PM
I'm sure DD was just finding out what they would have to give up to get Tejada. I agree that this is a deal that won't happen. I think it could also disturb the clubhouse beyond what has happened already. Tejada (like Troy Glaus) took less money to play elsewhere, and wouldn't be too happy about being forced to play in Detroit. As good a hitter as Miguel is, it really wouldn't be worth giving up Verlander and a couple other prospects. You just have to know that the Orioles would want Verlander, Zumaya, and at least one other top prospect.
I agree, I wouldn't give up that much for just Tejada because he will leave after his contract runs out next year.
I thought the Tigers should have traded Verlander for Beckett and Lowell when they had the chance. How do you not do that??? It would give the Tigs the best one-two combo of young right handed power pitchers in the american league. It upgrades thrid base over Inge and now you have the ability to use Inge as your super sub.
Dumbest decision DD has or hasn't made yet.
RottenGazebo
01-07-2006, 08:18 PM
What happens with Dmitri and Pena? Helton's hitting stats are probably skewed by Coor's Field.
I might take a flyer on Koskie; if the price was right.
Yeah maybe the HRs part. But the average cannot be determined by the playing field.
racosun
01-07-2006, 08:56 PM
I agree, I wouldn't give up that much for just Tejada because he will leave after his contract runs out next year.
I thought the Tigers should have traded Verlander for Beckett and Lowell when they had the chance. How do you not do that??? It would give the Tigs the best one-two combo of young right handed power pitchers in the american league. It upgrades thrid base over Inge and now you have the ability to use Inge as your super sub.
Dumbest decision DD has or hasn't made yet.
Actually, Tejada has four years left on his six-year contract with the Orioles, but I still wouldn't trade for him. If I were another franchise, I'd definetely want him on my team, but the Tigers already know that he'd rather get paid less money than to play for them.
I'm not so sure about pulling the trigger on a Verlander/prospect for Beckett/Lowell deal. While I think they are both pretty good players, I'd take my chances with Verlander. He could very well bust out bigtime this season and put together a better year than Beckett, and Lowell look's to be declining pretty rapidly. Hitting moonballs towards the Green Monster (along with better lineup protection in Boston) will help improve his stats from 2005, but I doubt he'd improve all that much in CoPa. Verlander is just too much of a top-flight prospect to trade before we really get a chance to see what he's made of. I prefer the duo of Bonderman/Verlander to that of Beckett/Bonderman. There's just something about home-grown talent that makes it more special for me. It would be nice to see Verlander become the face of the franchise and the next dominant power pitcher of the decade. Zumaya is nearly as exciting. Those three could be the next version of Zito/Hudson/Mulder, and perhaps even better.
moldyoldie
01-08-2006, 04:21 AM
There's just something about home-grown talent that makes it more special for me. It would be nice to see Verlander become the face of the franchise and the next dominant power pitcher of the decade. Zumaya is nearly as exciting. Those three could be the next version of Zito/Hudson/Mulder, and perhaps even better.
I couldn't agree more! Home-grown just "tastes" better. Besides, I've always been wary of pitchers with past arm problems...though I remember thinking the same thing about a young Jack Morris. Go figure.
Maybe I've just got "Denny McLain on the brain".
NShlain
01-08-2006, 11:28 AM
Actually, Tejada has four years left on his six-year contract with the Orioles, but I still wouldn't trade for him. If I were another franchise, I'd definetely want him on my team, but the Tigers already know that he'd rather get paid less money than to play for them.
I'm not so sure about pulling the trigger on a Verlander/prospect for Beckett/Lowell deal. While I think they are both pretty good players, I'd take my chances with Verlander. He could very well bust out bigtime this season and put together a better year than Beckett, and Lowell look's to be declining pretty rapidly. Hitting moonballs towards the Green Monster (along with better lineup protection in Boston) will help improve his stats from 2005, but I doubt he'd improve all that much in CoPa. Verlander is just too much of a top-flight prospect to trade before we really get a chance to see what he's made of. I prefer the duo of Bonderman/Verlander to that of Beckett/Bonderman. There's just something about home-grown talent that makes it more special for me. It would be nice to see Verlander become the face of the franchise and the next dominant power pitcher of the decade. Zumaya is nearly as exciting. Those three could be the next version of Zito/Hudson/Mulder, and perhaps even better.
I know his contract runs for four years but he can leave after this year, some clause.
What is Verlanders top potential? A strikeout pitcher that throws hard with wicked breaking stuff and 15-20 wins per year with 150-200 K's and an era under 3.50. Beckett acn do that this year and hes only 25. Verlander will be taking his lumps for the next two years. Them not making this move is proof that the Tigers don't think they can win now. If they did they would have done it, it makes perfect sense for next season, DD isn't concerned with this year.
What do you think of the signing of Matt Mantei to a minor league contract. At one time, his potential was extremely high. Lets hope he can make the club.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantema01.shtml
racosun
01-11-2006, 04:00 PM
With incentives and by being a workhorse out of the bullpen, he could earn nearly $900K. I think if he comes in healthy, he should make the club. I think this is a good risk, as Matt's got MLB experience (and closer experience) and may be able to teach Rodney and German a thing or two.