Which City would Arte Moreno Consider Moving the Angels for the 2017 Season?

[Bluesteve32]

Arte suggested in the Los Angeles Times on November 22, 2005 that the city of Anaheim is "trying to run him out of town." If that is the case, which city would you think that the Angels would call home for the 2017 season?

[eddiejc1]

I do not expect the Dodgers to do this, but if Arte is seriously thinking about moving, they should call him up and ask him if he is interested in moving the Angels to Dodger Stadium. From the Dodgers point of view, you can make a lot more money if there are 162 games at your park than just 81. If the conditions are fair, the Angels could still make a lot of money as a tenant. Just ask the New York Jets. They are still second-bananas in New York (like the Angels), but they have also made a lot of money at Giants Stadium, and they are going to be sharing the new stadium when it gets built. In L.A., the Angels can get more respect from the local media, and the TV networks can no longer say "you only represent Anaheim." They will also be able to wear "LA" on their caps and put "Los Angeles" on their road jerseys.

Would Arte be able to build a new stadium in L.A. if he didn't want to share with the Dodgers? It would be hard to find a better spot than Chavez Ravine, and it would be even harder to design a stadium that looks more beautiful...

Eddie Cunningham

[Bluesteve32]

There is no way the Angels would EVER play in Chavez Ravine again. Anaheim is a much better place to watch a game, anyway. The Ravine would actually be a downgrade (it is older than the Big A which did have extensive renovations done in the last decade) and many Angel fans would get really turned off. Besides, there is a ten year window to settle with Anaheim or explore other places in the area in which to build a stadium. O'Malley really ripped off Autry before, and that would leave a bitter taste in the mouth of many old time Angel fans.

I think Arte has a lot of cards to play and ther would be certain places that would love to house the Angels, who seem to have a bright future. I see them trying to stay in North Orange County, South or Eastern LA County, or the Chino area on the San Bernardino/Riverside/Orange/LA Counties all meet. The base for the Angels tends to be that part of town.

[Jake83]

There is no way the Angels would EVER play in Chavez Ravine again. Anaheim is a much better place to watch a game, anyway. The Ravine would actually be a downgrade (it is older than the Big A which did have extensive renovations done in the last decade) and many Angel fans would get really turned off. Besides, there is a ten year window to settle with Anaheim or explore other places in the area in which to build a stadium. O'Malley really ripped off Autry before, and that would leave a bitter taste in the mouth of many old time Angel fans.

I think Arte has a lot of cards to play and ther would be certain places that would love to house the Angels, who seem to have a bright future. I see them trying to stay in North Orange County, South or Eastern LA County, or the Chino area on the San Bernardino/Riverside/Orange/LA Counties all meet. The base for the Angels tends to be that part of town.


Moving the team to the I.E. would of a very stupid idea

[Elvis]

Angel Stadium is a dump compared to Dodger Stadium. I've been to countless games at both facilities. The big A has no character...Disney tried to add some with fake rocks, cliched green seats, a cliched water show, green-painted concrete, old sideline Rams' seats used as a RF pavilion, and those goofy giant mesh batting helmets out front...but in person it looks like cheap fake-looking add-ons. Oh, and you get a view of the freeway out in centerfield compared to Dodger Stadium's breathtaking views of the hills and mountains (north) and downtown skyline (south).

The Angels should move to Vegas if it's still untapped by the time they can beat it out of Anaheim.

:D :D :D :D :D

[eddiejc1]

There is no way the Angels would EVER play in Chavez Ravine again. Anaheim is a much better place to watch a game, anyway. The Ravine would actually be a downgrade (it is older than the Big A which did have extensive renovations done in the last decade) and many Angel fans would get really turned off. Besides, there is a ten year window to settle with Anaheim or explore other places in the area in which to build a stadium. O'Malley really ripped off Autry before, and that would leave a bitter taste in the mouth of many old time Angel fans.

I think Arte has a lot of cards to play and ther would be certain places that would love to house the Angels, who seem to have a bright future. I see them trying to stay in North Orange County, South or Eastern LA County, or the Chino area on the San Bernardino/Riverside/Orange/LA Counties all meet. The base for the Angels tends to be that part of town.

I think Arte is willing to abandon that base if it means becoming a team like the Dodgers that represent the entire Los Angeles area rather than just one part of it.

Then again, he may just move to a new stadium in another part of Orange County or the suburbs if he gets the right to put "Los Angeles" on the road uniforms and put "L.A." on their caps.

Eddie Cunningham

[Bluesteve32]

I think Arte is willing to abandon that base if it means becoming a team like the Dodgers that represent the entire Los Angeles area rather than just one part of it.

Then again, he may just move to a new stadium in another part of Orange County or the suburbs if he gets the right to put "Los Angeles" on the road uniforms and put "L.A." on their caps.

Eddie Cunningham

Arte likes the "A" they use now. I really don't think there will be a major change in uniforms or logos, regradless. I see Irvine being too far south in OC but Buena Park or Fullerton would make sense if only they would let Arte use LA. I see Long Beach not making the same mistake they made in 1964 when they hardballed Gene Autry, and that would be ideal in many respects.

I also don't see the club considering anything east of Pomona or Chino and don't see the Corona area as being that attractive. Irwindale would be practical and was even suggested after the Rams moved into the Big A and the Angels were unhappy with what happen to their ballpark. When the Raiders considered Irwindale, there was also talk the Angels would consider a ballpark there, off the 605 Fwy between the 210 and 10 Fwys and rather close to the 57 and 60 fwys, too and not far from the Metrolink rails, and the Gold Line extension would pass nearby. Besides, Irwindale is ten minutes from my house. :)

[Bluesteve32]

Angel Stadium is a dump compared to Dodger Stadium. I've been to countless games at both facilities. The big A has no character...Disney tried to add some with fake rocks, cliched green seats, a cliched water show, green-painted concrete, old sideline Rams' seats used as a RF pavilion, and those goofy giant mesh batting helmets out front...but in person it looks like cheap fake-looking add-ons. Oh, and you get a view of the freeway out in centerfield compared to Dodger Stadium's breathtaking views of the hills and mountains (north) and downtown skyline (south).

The Angels should move to Vegas if it's still untapped by the time they can beat it out of Anaheim.



Well I have been to both and feel quite the opposite. My kids were not impressed with their first visit to the "Latrine" last Spring. McCourt's new seats are real good, a buddy of mine said all he saw was the first base coach's rear end the whole game. Anaheim's seating is overall much closer that they are at the other place and the parking....well at least you have a gas station there to fill you tank up and ask directions for the hour it takes to get out. ;)


:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh
:waving

[Elvis]

...well at least you have a gas station there to fill you tank up and ask directions for the hour it takes to get out. ;)

Hogwash...It only takes 57 minutes to get out.

[eddiejc1]

The Angels may be a "second-banana" compared to the Dodgers, but they are a second banana that makes a lot of money. Whatever Arte chooses, I would be shocked if he were to move the team out of the L.A. metropolitan area.

(I know Angel fans don't consider themselves Los Angelenos, and it probably takes forever to drive there, but overall they are part of a gigantic metropolitan area that is called Los Angeles. What I'm trying to say is that Arte would be a moron to try and move the Angels to Mexico or Las Vegas.)

Eddie Cunningham

P.S. As a Marylander, "O.C." means one thing and one thing only. (http://www.ococean.com/)

[Bluesteve32]

The Angels may be a "second-banana" compared to the Dodgers, but they are a second banana that makes a lot of money. Whatever Arte chooses, I would be shocked if he were to move the team out of the L.A. metropolitan area.

(I know Angel fans don't consider themselves Los Angelenos, and it probably takes forever to drive there, but overall they are part of a gigantic metropolitan area that is called Los Angeles. What I'm trying to say is that Arte would be a moron to try and move the Angels to Mexico or Las Vegas.)

Eddie Cunningham

P.S. As a Marylander, "O.C." means one thing and one thing only. (http://www.ococean.com/)

I concur 100%.

There are those OC fans that have become, we let's just say quite "snooty." ;)

[KCGHOST]

If he wants to move someone has to build him a stadium. Ten years is a long time and the odds are Moreno won't even be the owner of the Angels by then. It is just a guess but I would suspect the team remains in Anaheim.

[Bluesteve32]

If he wants to move someone has to build him a stadium. Ten years is a long time and the odds are Moreno won't even be the owner of the Angels by then. It is just a guess but I would suspect the team remains in Anaheim.

Actually, ten years is just about right to see what happen vis-a-vis the lawsuit and to set out feelers in other communities in the neighborhood. Also there are cities that may want to revitalize their particualr area and a ballpark may be a centerpeice for such a project. The Angels have done quite well at the gate the last few years and if you go from 1978-87 were among the league leaders in attendance even back then. So a track record is there.

In 2016, the Big A would be 50 years old and the renovations would be 20 years old. The necessity of a new ballpark may hasten for the 1960s building may not be what is comperable and the industry standard. There have been several ballparks built as many as 10 years after the Big A that have seen the wrecking ball. Riverfront, Veterans, Kingdome, Three Rivers, Fulton County now Busch were all commissioned after Anaheim and now are no longer used with several others that need to be decommissioned as well (Metrodome, US Cellular, Tropicana) and Steinbrenner is wants a new Yankee Stadium which was just redone in the mid-1970s.

In five years, a decision will be made and we just may see a new ballpark in So Cal.

[UnderPressure]

Hey Bluesteve, there seems to be a problem on google...

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By the way...

"Where is Chone Figgins" IS A MORON!

[Elvis]

Hey Bluesteve, there seems to be a problem on google...

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Haaaaaaaa haaaaaaa!!!!

[Bluesteve32]

Hey Bluesteve, there seems to be a problem on google...



71-91
:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

Will the Dodger hire an ex-Angel to manage?

:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh


One word: McCourt!

:laugh :laugh

[Jake83]

Hey Bluesteve, there seems to be a problem on google...

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/955/angels6qy.png



Haha idenity crisis

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Haha idenity crisis

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It pulls out this:
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[UnderPressure]

Guys, wake up. I tried looking it up on google.
It pulls out this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Identity+crisis

You did? Dude, don't tell me you actually believed that that google result was for real.

[Jake83]

Guys, wake up. I tried looking it up on google.
It pulls out this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Identity+crisis


Please do not tell me you actually googled it

[Angelsfan4ever!]

I concur 100%.

There are those OC fans that have become, we let's just say quite "snooty." ;)


I truly believe that the Angels will remain in Anaheim and the name will be back to what it belongs....Anaheim Angels! I am a native of Orange County and don't feel that I'm part of "Los Angeles" in any way. I don't say I'm from L.A. and I don't consider myself any way related to the city of Los Angeles.

Lastly.....we in Orange County are not "snooty".....and those of us who were born and raised, don't call it the O.C., just those transplants and media friendly people do. :crazy :D

[Bluesteve32]

I truly believe that the Angels will remain in Anaheim and the name will be back to what it belongs....Anaheim Angels! I am a native of Orange County and don't feel that I'm part of "Los Angeles" in any way. I don't say I'm from L.A. and I don't consider myself any way related to the city of Los Angeles.

Lastly.....we in Orange County are not "snooty".....and those of us who were born and raised, don't call it the O.C., just those transplants and media friendly people do. :crazy :D

A-yeah! (apoligies to the old Jim Healy show) You guys are very snooty and just may will lose the ballclub because of this very issue. Is it worth it?

Now can you really discern where Los Angeles stops and Orange County begins?

[Jake83]

A-yeah! (apoligies to the old Jim Healy show) You guys are very snooty and just may will lose the ballclub because of this very issue. Is it worth it?

Now can you really discern where Los Angeles stops and Orange County begins?


Screw Orange County. I would rather live in my loft downtown and be in the real world when I walk outside then the plastic racist Orange County

[Angelsfan4ever!]

:gt

I do know where LA ends and Orange County starts. It starts when and where I was born. I guess it's the loyalty to what you're born and raised with. Loyalty means a lot and where you're raised is what you know. Memories of watching the Angels with my father since I can remember.

It would be sad if the team moved away but I would still be a fan and support "the team". I don't agree with the owner and the name change but that's not the players....that's the owner. I will always support the team, regardless of what they're called.

Maybe the owner will change.....and the name will remain the same. :dance :clapping

ps....racist? ( 2nd message posted )...ouch. How does that make sense? :ughh :confused:

[Jake83]

:gt

I do know where LA ends and Orange County starts. It starts when and where I was born. I guess it's the loyalty to what you're born and raised with. Loyalty means a lot and where you're raised is what you know. Memories of watching the Angels with my father since I can remember.

It would be sad if the team moved away but I would still be a fan and support "the team". I don't agree with the owner and the name change but that's not the players....that's the owner. I will always support the team, regardless of what they're called.

Maybe the owner will change.....and the name will remain the same. :dance :clapping

ps....racist? ( 2nd message posted )...ouch. How does that make sense? :ughh :confused:

Orange County is a very racist place towards immigrants espically Latin America immigrants. Look at the laws just passed by Costa Mesa

[Angelsfan4ever!]

Orange County is a very racist place towards immigrants espically Latin America immigrants. Look at the laws just passed by Costa Mesa


:ughh
:confused:

I guess I'm not up on the law....which lawsuits are you referring to? Some would say Los Angeles is more racially divided.......especially against African Americans.....police brutality, riots, Rodney King, etc.

[Bluesteve32]

:gt

I do know where LA ends and Orange County starts. It starts when and where I was born. I guess it's the loyalty to what you're born and raised with. Loyalty means a lot and where you're raised is what you know. Memories of watching the Angels with my father since I can remember.

It would be sad if the team moved away but I would still be a fan and support "the team". I don't agree with the owner and the name change but that's not the players....that's the owner. I will always support the team, regardless of what they're called.

Maybe the owner will change.....and the name will remain the same. :dance :clapping

ps....racist? ( 2nd message posted )...ouch. How does that make sense? :ughh :confused:

Yeah, loyalty may have something to do where you were born or raised. I think it is more the latter, since my youngest son was born in Detroit, but he likes the Angels, not the Tigers. ;) Now can you really discern the county line on that satellite pic? (Other than the Puente Hills?)

When I was a kid I got an LA Angel hat with the halo. It was "cool" since it was two colors and with that halo on the top of the cap and that other cap seemed boring. ;)

I supported the team, although I did not like the Anaheim moniker (seem very Disneyish to me), and most likely will not if they ever move away. But the Angels name belongs only in So Cal and no other place. PCL LA Angels 1903-1957, AL LA Angels 1961-65 and 2005- , Cal Angels 1965-1996, ANA 1997-2004. Too much history here with the name.

[CaliforniaCajun]

I'm not to hazard a guess in the poll, but I think if they leave Anaheim it is Orange County's last shot at an MLB team. They can join Brooklyn, who had to wait about 45 years after the Dodgers left to host a CLASS A team.

I will remain an Angel fan as long as they stay in the same region. If they go to another part of the state, or out of the state, they will have left me.

I'm still hoping for a settlement, but it's time for Anaheim to wake up and smell the coffee. Arte Moreno has 10 years to find a new home. I think the City of Anaheim is headed down a path of lose-lose. Hopefully they'll come to their senses.

[Bluesteve32]

I'm not to hazard a guess in the poll, but I think if they leave Anaheim it is Orange County's last shot at an MLB team. They can join Brooklyn, who had to wait about 45 years after the Dodgers left to host a CLASS A team.

I will remain an Angel fan as long as they stay in the same region. If they go to another part of the state, or out of the state, they will have left me.

I'm still hoping for a settlement, but it's time for Anaheim to wake up and smell the coffee. Arte Moreno has 10 years to find a new home. I think the City of Anaheim is headed down a path of lose-lose. Hopefully they'll come to their senses.

You know they won't. Potato Chip King, Curt Pringle, is too arrogant to back down now, so Anaheim will lose this team and any chance to host an NFL team so Anaheim will only host the Duck, unless the NHL contracts that team since the more established Kings still play in So Cal. I hate arrogant politicains!

[CaliforniaCajun]

You know they won't. Potato Chip King, Curt Pringle, is too arrogant to back down now, so Anaheim will lose this team and any chance to host an NFL team so Anaheim will only host the Duck, unless the NHL contracts that team since the more established Kings still play in So Cal. I hate arrogant politicains!

I don't understand what Pringle hopes to get out of this. I can understand initial resistance to make him look like he tried to keep the team named after his city, but it's getting to the point where bitterness is going to set in and Curt is going to cost Anaheim MLB. The only thing a court case can do is pay lawyers. A settlement is the only option so the two sides might as well get busy.

I wonder if the Angels do leave if Pringle will be blamed, or not blamed because of his stance.

[stlcardsfan73]

OC, LA, San Bernardino, what difference does it make - It's just a large collection of strip malls and suburbs. I don't think there is any more racism in the OC than any other part of LA. It's not like it's 98% white folk living there trying to keep the immigrants out(see Maine). There are large portions of Orange County that have diverse populations - Garden Grove, Westminister, Anaheim, La Habra, Santa Ana. I think people watch too much TV OC and base their opinions on that.

As to the lawsuit - there is no winner. If Arte wins the stupid name stays, if he loses then he just pisses and moans and looks for a new home as soon as he can figure a way out. The contract is technically in the city's favor, but what's the point of being right at the cost of losing the team? I don't understand the point of Moreno - by adding LA to the name did he really gain a bunch of ad revenue?

[Elvis]

OC, LA, San Bernardino, what difference does it make - It's just a large collection of strip malls and suburbs. I don't think there is any more racism in the OC than any other part of LA. It's not like it's 98% white folk living there trying to keep the immigrants out(see Maine). There are large portions of Orange County that have diverse populations - Garden Grove, Westminister, Anaheim, La Habra, Santa Ana. I think people watch too much TV OC and base their opinions on that.

As to the lawsuit - there is no winner. If Arte wins the stupid name stays, if he loses then he just pisses and moans and looks for a new home as soon as he can figure a way out. The contract is technically in the city's favor, but what's the point of being right at the cost of losing the team? I don't understand the point of Moreno - by adding LA to the name did he really gain a bunch of ad revenue?

In the long run it's defininely more marketable with the L.A. moniker. Moreno's no fool. Who knows, maybe eventually he'll move the club out your way ...and call them the L.A. Angels of Fontana :laugh

[Jake83]

LA Angels of Hemet:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

Angels belong out in the Inland Empire.

[Last of the Indian fans]

more importantly shouldnt we talking about the marlins move to omaha, portland, or las vegas

[Bluesteve32]

more importantly shouldnt we talking about the marlins move to omaha, portland, or las vegas

This was an issue before the Marlins' bid for the new stadium failed. My point is that baseball will expand/relocate to any city that would be attractive to Arte before 2017 and I am quite sure that he'll ramian in So Cal, but with a spanking brand new ballpark in the Southland. I think the Long Beach people realized their mistake from 1964 when they insisted to Gene Autry the club would be called the "Long Beach Angels" and would relent if they so chose to build a stadium in the city this time around.

I also hear the rumor when the Rams moved to Anaheim in 1980 that the Angels were considering a possible move to Irwindale in another location than the Raiders' proposed stadium on the banks of the San Gabriel River, across from the Miller Brewery on the Foothill Freeway. However, this location would be not as accessable to many OC residents but would be quite attractive to many IE and SGV residents.

I would like to see the Angels stay, but I don;t think that is going to happen regarless of the lawsuit anymore. Too many bridges have been burned and and another north OC city or Long Beach appear to be the most logical choice or at the apex of OC,LA, Riverside and SB Counties near Chino/Pomona.

Look at the photo, where would you put the team, without putting them in downtown LA? ;)

[Jake83]

This was an issue beforew the Marlins' bid for the new stadium failed. My point is that baseball will expand/relocate to any city that would be attractive to Arte before 2017 and I am quite sure that he'll ramian in So Cal, but with a spanking brand new ballpark in the Southland. I think the Long Beach people realized their mistake from 1964 when they insisted to Gene Autry the club would be called the "Long Beach Angels" and would relent if they so chose to build a stadium in the city this time around.

I also hear the rumor when the Rams moved to Anaheim in 1980 that hte Angels were considering a possible move to Irwindale in another location than the Raiders' proposed stadium on the backs of the San Gabriel River, across from the Miller Brewery on the Foothill Freeway. However, this location would be not as accessable to many OC residents but would be quite attractive to many IE and SGV residents.

I would like to see the Angels stay, but I don;t think that is going to happen regarless of the lawsuit anymore. Too many bridges have been burned and and another north OC city or Long Beach appear to be the most logical choice or at the apex of OC,LA, Riverside and SB Counties near Chino/Pomona.

Look at the map, where would you put the team, without putting them in downtown LA? ;)


Put them in the Imperial Valley El Centro sounds good

[Where is Chone Figgins]

I do not see the Halos moving out the Orange County

[Bluesteve32]

Put them in the Imperial Valley El Centro sounds good

They trained in Holtville during St for several season in the 1960 and 1970s.

[Bluesteve32]

I do not see the Halos moving out the Orange County

Will Fullerton or Buena Park build a stadium? I see Long Beach being most likely. Perhaps Santa Ana, but nothing below There, then a commute would be a bit prohibitive for much of the market area.

[CaliforniaCajun]

I truly believe that the Angels will remain in Anaheim and the name will be back to what it belongs....Anaheim Angels! I am a native of Orange County and don't feel that I'm part of "Los Angeles" in any way. I don't say I'm from L.A. and I don't consider myself any way related to the city of Los Angeles.

Lastly.....we in Orange County are not "snooty".....and those of us who were born and raised, don't call it the O.C., just those transplants and media friendly people do. :crazy :D

I grew up primarily in OC and saw the Angels struggle for the most part until the 2002 championship. The underlying reason to me was money (flip flopping between the farm system and free agency). Arte Moreno drew the same conclusion when he bought the club. To compete in the top tier he realizes that he has to spend revenues the club itself can't generate from ticket sales and broadcasting rights. He decides to subsidize the club until it becomes able to meet its own expenses. He launches an aggressive marketing campaign and decides he needs to reach out to the entire L.A. market rather than just Orange County. He decides he needs a more recognizable brand name (Los Angeles Angels) in order to achieve his marketing objectives and therefore command more revenue. Having seen the team opearate for 40 years, I have concluded that Moreno is right.

Since I spent my formative years in OC (including Anaheim) I would like to see the team remain in Anaheim. It would be easier on the owner to stay where he is. But if the City of Anaheim proves inflexible in its handling of the Angels I think the owner will eventually leave.

Therefore I think the city has to concede the name in return for assurances that the team stays put. There are things that have to be worked out:

Keeping the ball park up to MLB standards
An arrangement that makes money for both the owner and the city
Keeping the prices of an evening at the park below the MLB average
Keeping payroll above the MLB average


We can do this, folks, as long as both sides bend, and achieve the consistent level of success that has always eluded this franchise.

[Gagne#3 8]

No matter what Arte does the will remain second to the Dodgers in L.A.'s eyes

[Where is Chone Figgins]

No matter what Arte does the will remain second to the Dodgers in L.A.'s eyes


Quit living in the past Dogger

[Bluesteve32]

No matter what Arte does the will remain second to the Dodgers in L.A.'s eyes

A few more seasons like last year, and that may not be true.

[mojorisin71]

Quit living in the past Dogger
Can't you show a little more class? This isn't MLB.com

[Where is Chone Figgins]

Can't you show a little more class? This isn't MLB.com


Class? Is that something Dodger fans can understand

[Elvis]

Class? Is that something Dodger fans can understand

Dude, for someone with only 37 posts, you've already gotten the reputation as the biggest Melvin on this forum. You're not going to last long here when all you do it talk prepubescent crap in every thread you post.

[mojorisin71]

Class? Is that something Dodger fans can understand
It is for this Dodger fan. You can take your childish insults to MLB.com. This is Baseball Fever, in which we pride ourselves as THE place to come when you want to talk baseball. We have worked hard to not let this place become MLB.com redux.

Now, which city do you think Arte Moreno will move the Angels in 11 years? Or do you not think he'll move the team and just stay in Anaheim?

[Elvis]

It is for this Dodger fan. You can take your childish insults to MLB.com. This is Baseball Fever, in which we pride ourselves as THE place to come when you want to talk baseball. We have worked hard to not let this place become MLB.com redux.

Now, which city do you think Arte Moreno will move the Angels in 11 years? Or do you not think he'll move the team and just stay in Anaheim?

Maybe L.A. can anex Anaheim and then the Angels can stay put and be a real L.A. team again. :p

[Where is Chone Figgins]

It is for this Dodger fan. You can take your childish insults to MLB.com. This is Baseball Fever, in which we pride ourselves as THE place to come when you want to talk baseball. We have worked hard to not let this place become MLB.com redux.

Now, which city do you think Arte Moreno will move the Angels in 11 years? Or do you not think he'll move the team and just stay in Anaheim?


I have allready said where I believed the Angels will play after 2017. I think it is funny that I am being called out and you haven;t said anything to Elvis, Jake83 and Gagne who contiune to post snide comments on this thread.

[mojorisin71]

I have allready said where I believed the Angels will play after 2017. I think it is funny that I am being called out and you haven;t said anything to Elvis, Jake83 and Gagne who contiune to post snide comments on this thread.
I've taken all required action regarding the issue in question. Thank you for your concern. Like I said, I do not want this to become MLB.com. You want to use childish nicknames when referring to other teams? Go to MLB.com. You want to discuss baseball? I encourage you to check out the other forums here. Heck, I've had plenty of baseball discussions with Giant fans, and there have been a lot of conversations between Yankee and Red Sox fans, and we have never resorted to name-calling.

There are baseball fans, and then there are baseball homers. And very few members of the latter group are qualified to talk smack.

[Bluesteve32]

I grew up primarily in OC and saw the Angels struggle for the most part until the 2002 championship. The underlying reason to me was money (flip flopping between the farm system and free agency). Arte Moreno drew the same conclusion when he bought the club. To compete in the top tier he realizes that he has to spend revenues the club itself can't generate from ticket sales and broadcasting rights. He decides to subsidize the club until it becomes able to meet its own expenses. He launches an aggressive marketing campaign and decides he needs to reach out to the entire L.A. market rather than just Orange County. He decides he needs a more recognizable brand name (Los Angeles Angels) in order to achieve his marketing objectives and therefore command more revenue. Having seen the team opearate for 40 years, I have concluded that Moreno is right.

Since I spent my formative years in OC (including Anaheim) I would like to see the team remain in Anaheim. It would be easier on the owner to stay where he is. But if the City of Anaheim proves inflexible in its handling of the Angels I think the owner will eventually leave.

Therefore I think the city has to concede the name in return for assurances that the team stays put. There are things that have to be worked out:

Keeping the ball park up to MLB standards
An arrangement that makes money for both the owner and the city
Keeping the prices of an evening at the park below the MLB average
Keeping payroll above the MLB average


We can do this, folks, as long as both sides bend, and achieve the consistent level of success that has always eluded this franchise.

Driving past a couple of those gravel pits last week in Irwindale and thinking what a great place for a ballpark at the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains. Just think of the view from home plate in the early Spring when there is actually snow on the mountains?

The Gold Line extension would most likley go right near any of the stadium sites, too.

[Bluesteve32]

I find it funny that most who chose to participate in this poll seem to think that Anaheim will be the club's location when they break from ST in the 2017 season.

To me, it would seem unlikely that the Angels, who are no longer losing money under Arte's ownership, with increasing revenues, a competitive product on the field, that having a new stadium in a decade that is privately financed just may not be out of the question. I envision Mr Moreno is already looking around for possible sites and I think the City of Anaheim and the Angels (as a whole including the Autry days) have burned far too many bridges and the current political climate in that city is not conducive to any dynamic ownership of a major sports franchise.

There is no way the Angel would consider leaving Southern California and there would be many fantastic possible locations that would be accessable from much of the Southland and with some of the metrolink and light rail that is being proposed and that exists, the fans of the Angels from all over So Cal would benefit with an brand new - baseball only facility - that is completely undisneyfied. ;)

[Elvis]

I find it funny that most who chose to participate in this poll seem to think that Anaheim will be the club's location when they break from ST in the 2017 season.

:confused:

Votes that they will remain in Anaheim - 7

Votes that they will leave Anaheim - 15

Are you reading the same poll?

[Bluesteve32]

Elvis, the plurality of people, according to those of whom that chose to vote (I recused myself) did pick Anaheim. There also seem to be some sentiment that the Angels would actually leave So Cal, which I see as highly unlikely, and also downtown LA. In some types of elections, plurality wins.

[Elvis]

Yeah, but that isn't what you said. :D

[Bluesteve32]

Nitpicker.

[cubmanjay]

I found this discussion fascinating. In spite of my screen name I am also an Angels fan. One thing not brough into the discussion is the fact that the city council of today will not be the city council of tomorrow, Anaheim of today will not be Anaheim of tomorrow. Anyone who lives in O.C. (not The OC) knows that Anaheim has na gressive developement plan modeled around the Angel Stadium, the train station and the Pond. The Platinum Triangle will be an incredible hub of Orange County in the next 10 years. There is plenty of time to work with Mr Moreno and rebuild the relationship.

Arte Moreno won his case and will move forward with his plan to make the Angels the premier franchise in Southern California. Expect more Division titles, expect more League Championships and expect more World Championships.

My vote is for the Angels staying in Anaheim!

[Bluesteve32]

I understand what you are saying, but it seem that the Angels since their move to Anaheim has had a rather poor relationship with the Angels. I don't see that changing regardless on who is on the city council.

Back in the 1980s, the Angels sued the city over parking places because of the Rams' deal with the city. Arte himself was quoted as saying, "It seems as if they are trying to drive us out of town." Another quote was, "Anaheim acts like they own the Angels."

I think the city pursued a "pennywise but pound foolish" policiy vis-a-vis the Angels and Arte Moreno. This is a bridge that was burned and I really don't see much to change over the next decade and some fans have already expressed an interest for the club to leave that "cowtown" for another location.