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Boston Boxer
11-08-2005, 09:57 AM
out of SI this morning...
The centerpiece of a deal for Boston's Manny Ramirez, coming from the Mets' side, would be center fielder Mike Cameron and two of the following three prospects: outfielder Lastings Milledge and right-handers Aaron Heilman and Yusmeiro Petit
Anyone have info or thoughts on this?
RedSoxFan4Life
11-08-2005, 10:19 AM
out of SI this morning...
The centerpiece of a deal for Boston's Manny Ramirez, coming from the Mets' side, would be center fielder Mike Cameron and two of the following three prospects: outfielder Lastings Milledge and right-handers Aaron Heilman and Yusmeiro Petit
Anyone have info or thoughts on this?
Saw the same thing on the Boston Herald's website...This would pretty much guarantee that Damon does not return IMO...
runningshoes
11-11-2005, 05:30 AM
Hey you two..wanna get in on this one?
http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=35977
Thanks, Troy
Boston Boxer
11-21-2005, 02:22 PM
any thoughts on this gem...i would love to get Beckett and Lowell, but i think we are giving up a lilttle too much. If Lowell could return to form, i just might jump on this...thoughts
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2232211
VTSoxFan
11-21-2005, 04:56 PM
Boston Boxer has requested that this thread be stickied, and so it shall be, until Spring Training.
Any and all Hot Stove talk welcome and encouraged here! :gt
Boston Boxer
11-21-2005, 07:55 PM
thank you!
RamMan12
11-22-2005, 03:41 AM
Trading away Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez is an outrage to me! I think that Beckett and Lowell are not good enough for Hanley and we don't need a starting pitcher with Lester and Papelbon ready for the show. I hope this trade falls through.
Boston Boxer
11-22-2005, 07:38 AM
ok...Lester is not ready for the show. He is projected in 2007, plus, we did not include him in the trade. He is still on the team. Papelbon will be in the rotation this year. We need starting pitching, and Beckett provides that. If Lowell comes back to form, which i expect, he will put up big numbers for us and Florida will pay some of his salary. This is a good trade and we did not give up any great pitching prospects in the deal.
wilkerson_rulz-06
11-22-2005, 08:08 AM
Trading away Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez is an outrage to me! I think that Beckett and Lowell are not good enough for Hanley and we don't need a starting pitcher with Lester and Papelbon ready for the show. I hope this trade falls through.
But look at it this way, Beckett is a good pitcher and Lowell can be good.
RamMan12
11-23-2005, 08:05 AM
But Lowell won't be good. And I know Lester wasn't included; it was Hanley, Sanchez, and Jesus Delgado.
Hanley Ramirez could have been put at 3B to make up for Mueller's absence.
Boston Boxer
11-23-2005, 09:08 AM
Why don't you think Lowell will be any good?
SoxSon
11-23-2005, 06:09 PM
But Lowell won't be good. And I know Lester wasn't included; it was Hanley, Sanchez, and Jesus Delgado.
Hanley Ramirez could have been put at 3B to make up for Mueller's absence.
Aside from being a great defensive third baseman, Mike Lowell was built for Fenway Park. He may have another injury-plagued, down season offensively, but then again...there is the potential here for him to really silence his critics this coming season. He is a natural flyball right-handed pull-hitter with power. If he can find some consistency, balls will be bouncing off the Monster with as much frequency as Jim Thome being placed on the DL in Chicago. ;)
FlashGordon
11-26-2005, 11:11 AM
Any thoughts out there on the last minute inclusion of Guillermo Mota? I seem to recall from his days with Montreal that he is a very hard thrower. I don't know what kind off-speed stuff he offers, but I do know the Yankees made some inquiries about him.
SoxSon
11-26-2005, 06:14 PM
Any thoughts out there on the last minute inclusion of Guillermo Mota? I seem to recall from his days with Montreal that he is a very hard thrower. I don't know what kind off-speed stuff he offers, but I do know the Yankees made some inquiries about him.
He is a hard thrower who suffered from some remarkable inconsistency this past season. I seem to recall him sliding into and then sliding out of Florida's closer role. They became exasperated with his inconsistency on the mound.
RedSoxFan4Life
11-26-2005, 08:09 PM
Any thoughts out there on the last minute inclusion of Guillermo Mota? I seem to recall from his days with Montreal that he is a very hard thrower. I don't know what kind off-speed stuff he offers, but I do know the Yankees made some inquiries about him.
It will vastly improve our bullpen, as long as they don't think of him as a potential closer. With him and Timlin setting up, we should dominate the late innings. And if Foulke struggles, Hansen may be ready to step in for him. Mota is a hard thrower 92-94 and also throws a hard sinker and a slider I believe...
VTSoxFan
11-27-2005, 08:45 AM
Today;s Edes column in the Globe has a lot of juicy morsels in it. Scroll on down to "Safety measures" for a whole smorgasboard of hot stove stuff:
Red Sox Notebook (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/11/27/sox_could_take_old_school_approach/?page=full)
The bit that caught my attention was Gammons's proposal that we swap Clement to the Dodgers for Derek Lowe. Hmmmmm.
RamMan12
11-28-2005, 04:29 AM
I do like Lowell, but I think he'll get injured. If Lowell can regain his old form, yes, he will be a great addition. I just think that he won't. By the way, adding Guillermo Mota is a good move. He is a great setup man who could take over the closer job.
RedSoxFan4Life
11-28-2005, 09:21 AM
I do like Lowell, but I think he'll get injured. If Lowell can regain his old form, yes, he will be a great addition. I just think that he won't. By the way, adding Guillermo Mota is a good move. He is a great setup man who could take over the closer job.
Why do you think he'll get injured?
VTSoxFan
11-30-2005, 08:39 PM
Has anyone heard any news about Foulke? I just read over the lengthy "WTF Foulke??" thread (which ran from early April-early July) and got to thinking about him, and the closer situation. Naturally the team is in flux atthis stage of the offseason, and Foulke is under contract stiull, but have there been any rumblings about him?
(I also watched the '04 WS video the other day and wondered... were Foulke's knees in bad shape BEFORE Tek, Mientkiewicz et al piled onto him? He caught Tek, who was flying through the air and carried him a few yards, then buckled as the rest of the team came leaping onto him.)
VTSoxFan
12-02-2005, 08:26 AM
Okay... no info or talk about Foulke. How about Graffanino? Has anyone any idea about whether the Sox have approached him or are even interested in him? He was pretty darn good last year, hitting over .300 on the season, and with decent range... any reason why the Sox would NOT want him back?
I read a short bit in the New York Times the othre day, and idea floated that it is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that Nomar might make a return to Fenway, as a second-baseman. Any thoughts on this?
Boston Boxer
12-02-2005, 09:19 AM
I have heard nothing on Foulke...Graf want a long term deal, which i think he can get, just not from us due to Pedroia waiting in the wings.
I do have this little nugget out of Philly...Nixon and Clement for Abreu! I would jump all over that deal.
Boston Boxer
12-06-2005, 08:33 AM
Nixon and Clement to Philly for Abreu...yes please
Manny in a three way with Angels and Arizona...Sox end up with Glaus and Erstad...Glaus to play first
Erstad and Youk to Minn for Tori Hunter...yes please
Wells to Pads for Loretta and Linebrink or Otsuka (sp?)
Still need a leadoff hitter as Damon would be gone (wants too much)
possible lineup
1. ??? LF
2.Hunter CF
3.Papi DH
4.Glaus 1B
5.Abreu RF
6.Lowell 3B
7.Tek C
8.Rentaria SS
9.Cora/Loretta 2B
That is a pretty damn good line up in my opinion
efin98
12-07-2005, 12:21 AM
ESPN had Mirabelli to San Diego for Loretta depending on whether the Padres land Trevor Hoffman.
Not sure which team gets the better part of that deal, but he would secure the 2nd base positon for a few years...
FlashGordon
12-07-2005, 03:39 PM
Not sure which team gets the better part of that deal, but he would secure the 2nd base positon for a few years...That's what we thought about SS when the Sox traded Hanley Ramirez.
YOUgodofwalks
12-07-2005, 04:05 PM
but he would secure the 2nd base positon for a few years...
Loretta is only signed through 2006
efin98
12-07-2005, 05:25 PM
Loretta is only signed through 2006
Even money trade for the Red Sox that should bring about an extention in the contract by a few years.
VTSoxFan
12-07-2005, 07:21 PM
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20051207&content_id=1278487&vkey=pr_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos
BOSTON -- The Boston Red Sox today offered salary arbitration to three of their remaining seven free agents.
The club offered arbitration to outfielder Johnny Damon, second baseman Tony Graffanino and third baseman Bill Mueller.
The Red Sox declined to offer arbitration to right-handed pitcher Matt Mantei, first baseman Kevin Millar, lefthanded Mike Myers and first baseman John Olerud.
Now, if I have my baseball negotiating rules straight, the Sox have till Jan. 8 to sign they guys they offered to, right? So, with Loretta and Lowell on board, why'd they offer to Graf and Mueller? Not that I'm disappointed by this, just wondering.
Also I wonder why they cut Myers loose.
efin98
12-08-2005, 02:21 AM
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20051207&content_id=1278487&vkey=pr_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos
Now, if I have my baseball negotiating rules straight, the Sox have till Jan. 8 to sign they guys they offered to, right? So, with Loretta and Lowell on board, why'd they offer to Graf and Mueller? Not that I'm disappointed by this, just wondering.
Also I wonder why they cut Myers loose.
They probably didn't have a need for Myers in the bullpen, not for the money he will be making.
Graf and Mueller may be token offerings, not likely to return but possible should they not catch on elsewhere. Offering them arbitration at least gives the team a safety net should they agree to sign but not agree on terms...
YOUgodofwalks
12-08-2005, 08:38 AM
Unless the Sox plan on trading Lowell, which is possible, offering to Mueller and Graff is a strategy. Knowing they won't want to be backups, and thus will not accept their arbitration, they will sign elsewhere and this would give the Red Sox a compensation pick in the next amatuer draft from the team that signs Graff and Mueller.
king_ghidora
12-08-2005, 10:00 AM
Godofwalks hit the nail on the head: this is more about draft picks than any honest intention of retaining BillMill and Graff. I love BillMill, but I suspect that Sox brass intends on starting Lowell, since his contract would be difficult to move, and Mueller could get a starting job just about anywhere. Same with Loretta vs. Graff. Poor Graff -- one error in the ALDS and they up and replace him. But that seems to be the pattern this offeseason with everybody that Theo signed in the last three years.
efin98
12-08-2005, 06:02 PM
Godofwalks hit the nail on the head: this is more about draft picks than any honest intention of retaining BillMill and Graff. I love BillMill, but I suspect that Sox brass intends on starting Lowell, since his contract would be difficult to move, and Mueller could get a starting job just about anywhere. Same with Loretta vs. Graff. Poor Graff -- one error in the ALDS and they up and replace him. But that seems to be the pattern this offeseason with everybody that Theo signed in the last three years.
Theo also signed a bunch of guys who are starting to show their age and are coming down with "the injury bug"...the only ones who haven't are Ortiz, Timlin, and Arroyo.
Another thing that may be unintentional/intentional is that the guys can now raise their prices elsewhere, possibly costing other teams more than they wanted to spend. That could indirectly help the Red Sox.
FlashGordon
12-08-2005, 08:37 PM
Another thing that may be unintentional/intentional is that the guys can now raise their prices elsewhere, possibly costing other teams more than they wanted to spend. That could indirectly help the Red Sox.:eek: That would be truly devious--bringing in players and letting them peak and leave as FAs so that the payrolls of other teams begin to inflate. That would require an incredible scouting team, some very shrewd bargaining, and more than a little luck. :evil (The "Evil" Icon)
efin98
12-08-2005, 08:51 PM
:eek: That would be truly devious--bringing in players and letting them peak and leave as FAs so that the payrolls of other teams begin to inflate. That would require an incredible scouting team, some very shrewd bargaining, and more than a little luck. :evil (The "Evil" Icon)
Evil? Nope, just good business practice. It may work, it may not. No matter what happens the Red Sox come away winners.
Marco
12-21-2005, 04:28 PM
What do you think of delivering Manny to the Angels for SS Brandon Wood and 1B Kendry Morales ?
Nordfish
01-10-2006, 01:16 PM
Take this for what it's worth - but a poster named Ilovekurk over at PhilliesPhan is claiming Manny to Philly with Abreu coming to Boston. According to other users of that site, it seems he's been right before on deals ahead of time. Like I said - take this with some caution...
http://www.philliesphans.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?t=31524&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0