Jeter AL Gold Glove Winner

[jabronijosh03]

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051101&content_id=1263171&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy


Sorry if this is a repost

[Yankee Legend]

I don't care wat you say. He deserves it. Congrats Jeter!!!!!!

[runningshoes]

How did you know what we were going to say? ;)

[charlesblalack@yahoo.com]

I can see this thing ending up a dispute between Yanks/Sox fans. It's unarguable that Jeter was not the best fielding shortstop in the AL this year . He didn't deserve it on the field but other factors led him to get the award. Make of that what you will.

[runningshoes]

I can see this thing ending up a dispute between Yanks/Sox fans. It's unarguable that Jeter was not the best fielding shortstop in the AL this year . He didn't deserve it on the field but other factors led him to get the award. Make of that what you will.

I hope you didn't draw that conclusion from what I said. I think the wink pretty much indicates I'm just playing around.

[TonyStarks]

I can see this thing ending up a dispute between Yanks/Sox fans. It's unarguable that Jeter was not the best fielding shortstop in the AL this year . He didn't deserve it on the field but other factors led him to get the award. Make of that what you will.


The Sox fan can't dispute because their SS had 30 Errors compared to Jeters 15.

I'm not sure but did Rentaria lead the Majors in errors?

[VIBaseball]

I decided to stir this thread to the top of the pot rather than the previous five-page-long controversy (last reply in July '05).

The story below presents the Great Jeter Fielding Debate again, with a chart on how he stacks up using assorted different metrics, including some new systems. I think it's pretty fair and balanced overall.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_weisman/02/03/defense.metrics/index.html

Key quote:

He rates from slightly above average to well below average, and the newer systems don't tend to like him as much as the older ones (see chart, above.) In fact, some disenchantment or even disgust with newer fielding rating systems seems to arise from the fact that they have come across as a witch hunt against this very popular and respected player.

[runningshoes]

The Sox fan can't dispute because their SS had 30 Errors compared to Jeters 15.

That's kind of silly. What does Renteria have to do with Jeter?

And what does his play or his being on the Red Sox have to do with our ability to recognize who should or should have not won the award? :noidea

[DoubleX]

Key quote:

He rates from slightly above average to well below average, and the newer systems don't tend to like him as much as the older ones (see chart, above.) In fact, some disenchantment or even disgust with newer fielding rating systems seems to arise from the fact that they have come across as a witch hunt against this very popular and respected player.

I do think there is a witch-hunt by many sabermetricians to create as many statistics as possible that show how bad Jeter is defensively. It's like an obsession really - the lengths people will go to bring Jeter down.

[Mattingly]

I do think there is a witch-hunt by many sabermetricians to create as many statistics as possible that show how bad Jeter is defensively. It's like an obsession really - the lengths people will go to bring Jeter down.
All they need to do is watch the game. For the captain of the New York Yankees, is that so difficult to do?

[pacewon]

I do think there is a witch-hunt by many sabermetricians to create as many statistics as possible that show how bad Jeter is defensively. It's like an obsession really - the lengths people will go to bring Jeter down.

I agree.

Just looking at the basic numbers among qualified AL shortstops in 2005, Jeter ranks 2nd out of 10 in Putouts, 2nd in Assists, 2nd in Errors (meaning 2nd fewest), 2nd in FP, 2nd in RF, and 5th in ZR.

How bad could he have possibly been?

I also call into question the accuracy of that article that VIBaseball linked to. It states that UZR had Jeter at -16 in 2005, whereas Mitchel Lichtman did an interview with Replacement Level Yankees Weblog the other day and claimed Jeter was a -8:

http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/

So which one is it?

[The Big C]

I never really thought he was a bad defender from watching him, I just dislike him because he overshadows so many other players due to the amount of media coverage he receives.

[DoubleX]

I never really thought he was a bad defender from watching him, I just dislike him because he overshadows so many other players due to the amount of media coverage he receives.

I guess such is inevitable when: A) You play in the biggest market in the nation; B) You play on a team that won 6 pennants and 4 championships; C) You play on the nation's most reknown and historically successful team; D) You're photogenic, personable, and always say the right things to the media; E) You're a pretty good player too. :)

[Blackout]

^a career .314 hitter coming from the SS position

[The Big C]

DoubleX, you can just come right out and say it. I'm jealous and I wish he played for the Cubs. ;)

[Dasperp]

I also call into question the accuracy of that article that VIBaseball linked to. It states that UZR had Jeter at -16 in 2005, whereas Mitchel Lichtman did an interview with Replacement Level Yankees Weblog the other day and claimed Jeter was a -8

MGL is constantly changing his methodology, so that could be the reason for the discrepancy.

From watching Jeter i have always gotten the sense that he has pretty poor lateral range, and these metrics agree that that is his problem. I think its ridiculous to suggest that people create these metrics intending for there to be an anti-Jeter bias. Its important to note that the metrics considered by statheads to be the best (Range, UZR) generally agree with the conventional scouting wisdom.

[Evangelion]

Didn't Orlando Cabrera have 8 less errors than Jeter at SS last year?

I'm not hating on Jeter myself, but I don't think he deserved the Gold Glove last season. I would have gave the Gold Glove to Cabrera.

Another person that deserved a Gold Glove last year was Blalock at 3B, who didn't win. Eric Chavez won the Gold Glove last year even though Blalock had a better year on the field.

Still, people get short end of the stick every year, but most people don't care since it's just the Gold Glove.

[KCGHOST]

Every year they award a gold glove to a player at each position. Sometimes all you have to do is suck less than your competition.