Creating new historical Sim League

[RamMan12]

I am creating a new league with well-liked and HoF players on the teams for OOTP and I was wondering what players I should put on the teams. I'm starting with the teams in the ML in 1901 but I wouldn't mind teams that came into existence later.

If I can get this done in the next month or so I'll try to make it downloadable if anyone's interested.

[RamMan12]

I wish somebody would post stuff but I'm gonna check the other team sites and get the opinions on the all-time teams. People can post players they liked if they want. I just want some help doing this. If no one's interested, just tell me and I'll ignore this thread from now on.

[pjwvolk]

I would be very interested.

[RamMan12]

Okay... would you like to help with Brooklyn? As of right now, I have school and 15 other teams to work on.

My schedule is so hectic that it will be more than a month to get it all complete.

[RamMan12]

It doesn't seem like too many people are interested but here are the teams I've got so far:

Pos ChC Pittsburgh A's
C Gabby Hartnett Manny Sanguillen
C Jason Kendall
1B Cap Anson Willie Stargell Jimmie Foxx
2B Ryne Sandberg Bill Mazeroski
3B Ron Santo Pie Traynor Frank Baker
SS Ernie Banks Honus Wagner Ed Joost
LF Billy Williams Roberto Clemente Al Simmons
CF Hack Wilson Lloyd Waner
RF Andre Dawson Paul Waner
IF Frank Chance
IF Johnny Evers
OF Kiki Cuyler Ralph Kiner Bob Johnson
OF
Util Joe Tinker
SP Ferguson Jenkins Ed Morris Lefty Grove
SP Mordecai Brown Wilbur Cooper Rube Waddell
SP Grover Alexander Chief Bender
SP Hippo Vaughn
RP Bruce Sutter Elroy Face
RP
RP
RP
CL Lee Smith Kent Tekulve
P
P

[J W]

Hello, good luck with the project!

My first question would be, are you going to do one team per player? And if so, are you aiming to even the teams out talent-wise or would you put the players where they most make sense?

[RamMan12]

I'm making just a 25 player all-time team. The players are going on the team that they played the most time for. If they couldn't get inducted into the hall of fame with a team, they're not gonna be on th all-time team. For instance, Dennis Eckersley could be on the A's all-time team but not the Indians' or Red Sox's all-time teams. The teams used are also the teams in existence in 1901. Hope that answers your question. By the way, it will be a week or two before I get restarted on the project. Anyone is welcome to help me if they want however.

[southendgrounds]

I've been interested in leagues of all time franchise all stars since I was a kid an had the Sports Illustrated All-Time All-Star game (see http://www.innova.net/~randycox/SSBHistory.htm for discussion). I bought Stormfront Studios' Old Time Baseball in the 1990's and created a "universe" with updates of the old SI rosters. Sadly, Old Time Baseball requires video and audio drivers that are not included on computers past Windows 95/98. In recent years I have been playing Diamond Legends ( http://legends.stats.com ), but am looking for a new sim challenge. I am considering purchasing Diamond Mind with the All Time Greatest Players disk to update my old league once again and stumbled on this thread.

Attached for your consideration is a zip with text files of 40-50 man rosters for each of the 16 "original" franchises updated to the present.

I am curious as to how you plan to create your league in OOTB, since this is a much cheaper option than Diamond Mind. Diamond Mind's All Time Greatest Players has done the job of establishing peak performances over a multi-season period AND "normalized" the performances of players from different eras so that they are comparable. Old Time Baseball had "Time Machine" feature to adjust teams from different seasons to make them comparable. Does OOTB have such a feature?

[RamMan12]

I'm sorry i haven't posted for a while. College applications, school, and the holidays have been time-consuming. What I'm gonna do is wait for Out of the Park Baseball Manager 2006 to come and make it on that game. However, I am looking at southendgrounds roster list right now and I will incorporate those into my lists. I will post the final rosters in the next few weeks (hopefully!) for anybody that wants them on their own baseball sim game.

[southendgrounds]

Welcome back! I have just downloaded the now FREE version of ootp5 and wondered if you had any tips for creating/editing players.

[catcher24]

If you go to OOTP's forum, add-ons (try this link) (http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=64), there are many things you can download. Among them are the Ankin DB52 (v 5.2), and the Ankin CareeraverageDB52. I think these may be what you are looking for. I believe the players in these databases are "normalized" so that everything is evened out across different eras. There is an even newer DB, arodgarlanregDB65 which does pretty much the same, but has also included some of the top Negro League players. There are so many addons to OOTP (free) that you can do virtually anything with it. I don't doubt that DM is a great game, and I am in Leecemark's DM Keeper League, but the teams are expensive. They are free in OOTP.

[RamMan12]

I am downloading OOTP5 right now. I had Season Ticket Baseball 2003 or OOTP4. Thanks, southendgrounds!

For catcher24, I've seen the databases before but I wanted to make my own, based on who I wanted on the teams. Not what others wanted. Thanks for the help though.

I have vacation from Friday to the 3rd so I hope to get this whole project done by then. I'll post later this week hopefully.

[RamMan12]

How did you get OOTP5 for free? It still tried to make me pay for it.

[catcher24]

Posted by RamMan12:
For catcher24, I've seen the databases before but I wanted to make my own, based on who I wanted on the teams. Not what others wanted. Thanks for the help though.

I think you misunderstood me. If you download the database(s), you can take ANY player from ANY year into your league/onto your teams. You don't have to go with any predesignated teams. Hell, I'm in the fourth year of a "career league" that combines teams from the 1901 Senators to the 2003 Tigers! And I can't stress enough, you don't have to take the whole team. You can download any individual player from the DB.

[southendgrounds]

How did you get OOTP5 for free? It still tried to make me pay for it.
Link is on the front page of ootpdevelopments. Here it is directly: http://ootpdevfiles.com/ootp/ootp5freesetup.exe

Good luck!

[southendgrounds]

I think you misunderstood me. If you download the database(s), you can take ANY player from ANY year into your league/onto your teams. You don't have to go with any predesignated teams. Hell, I'm in the fourth year of a "career league" that combines teams from the 1901 Senators to the 2003 Tigers! And I can't stress enough, you don't have to take the whole team. You can download any individual player from the DB.
I have downloaded this database. Using Custom League with no players, I have uploaded several individual players, and they end up as free agents. Then have to offer them contracts. Any way to short cut this?

[catcher24]

Yes. If you go into League, select League Setup, choose the Basic Setup tab, and on the left hand side, disable financials. They will still be assigned a contract by the computer, but you won't have to negotiate with them, you can simply pick them. You would probably want to import all the players you want, then do a draft to attach them to their teams; that seems to be the quickest way. BTW, if you have any questions, go here (http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=11) and post it. I have found you will receive a reply very quickly in almost every case. You will have to register first.

Good luck. If you haven't used OOTP before, it can be a very steep learning curve. But the game has so much available, it is worth it. If I can be of help, let me know. I'm certainly not an expert, but I've been using it for over a year now and am beginning to figure some things out.

[RamMan12]

I have tried to do this but found it very time consuming. And I did understand what you meant. I started a league with all fictional players but about 20 years into it, I imported the Waner brothers so I could have them on my team when I had a depleted outfield. Also, Willie Mays, Eddie Plank, and Christy Mathewson have all been in the league too.

Thanks for the link and I will be done with this project around the 3rd as I said yesterday.

[catcher24]

You're welcome, and good luck with it!

[RamMan12]

I spent Christmas eve and yesterday working on it in my free time and I have most of the rosters done and I'm putting the players in the game. I do have major holes in a few teams though and I will be asking for help in a few days. The players will be put in either as rookies or players in their prime, depending on whether or not they start (for the all-star team) and some other factors.

[RamMan12]

These are the rosters the way I have it now. I'm gonna ask for help in the team forums but this is what I have as of right now.

Pos ChC
C Gabby Hartnett
C Johnny Kling
1B Cap Anson
2B Ryne Sandberg
3B Ron Santo
SS Ernie Banks
LF Billy Williams
CF Hack Wilson
RF Andre Dawson
IF Joe Tinker
IF Johnny Evers
OF Kiki Cuyler
OF Sammy Sosa
OF Rick Monday
Util Shawon Dunston
Util Frank Chance
SP Ferguson Jenkins
SP Mordecai Brown
SP Grover Alexander
SP Hippo Vaughn
SP Clark Griffith
SP Rick Sutcliffe
RP Bruce Sutter
CL Lee Smith
P Kerry Wood
Pos Washington
C Muddy Ruel
C
1B
2B Buddy Meyer
3B Eddie Yost
SS
LF Goose Goslin
CF
RF Sam Rice
IF Cecil Travis
IF
OF
OF
OF
Util
Util
SP Walter Johnson
SP Tom Zachary
SP Dutch Leonard
SP
SP
SP
RP Firpo Marbery
CL
P
Pos Detroit
C
C
1B Hank Greenberg
2B Charlie Gehringer
3B George Kell
SS Alan Trammell
LF Harry Heilmann
CF Ty Cobb
RF Al Kaline
IF Lou Whitaker
IF
OF Sam Crawford
OF Vic Wertz
OF
Util
Util
SP Hal Newhouser
SP George Mullin
SP Jack Morris
SP
SP
SP
RP
CL
P
Pos Philadelphia
C Bob Boone
C Darren Daulton
1B John Kruk
2B
3B Mike Schmidt
SS
LF Ed Delahanty
CF Richie Ashburn
RF
IF Larry Bowa
IF
OF Lenny Dykstra
OF
OF
Util
Util
SP Pete Alexander
SP Steve Carlton
SP Robin Roberts
SP Chick Fraser
SP Tug McGraw
SP
RP
CL
P
Pos Pittsburgh
C Manny Sanguillen
C Jason Kendall
1B Willie Stargell
2B Bill Mazeroski
3B Pie Traynor
SS Honus Wagner
LF Roberto Clemente
CF Lloyd Waner
RF Paul Waner
IF Dick Groat
IF Arky Vaughn
OF Ralph Kiner
OF Max Carey
OF Fred Clarke
Util Tommy Leach
Util Andy Van Slyke
SP Ed Morris
SP Wilbur Cooper
SP Babe Adams
SP Vern Law
SP Sam Leever
SP Jesse Tannehill
RP Elroy Face
CL Kent Tekulve
P Dave Giusti
Pos Boston
C Carlton Fisk
C
1B Mo Vaughn
2B Bobby Doerr
3B Wade Boggs
SS Joe Cronin
LF Ted Williams
CF Freddie Lynn
RF Dwight Evans
IF Johnny Pesky
IF
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Carl Yastrzemski
OF
Util
Util
SP Roger Clemens
SP Bruce Hurst
SP Luis Tiant
SP Bill Lee
SP Cy Young
SP
RP
CL Dick Radatz
P
Pos Atlanta
C Joe Torre
C
1B Eddie Matthews
2B Glen Hubbard
3B Rabbit Maranville
SS
LF
CF Hugh Duffy
RF Hank Aaron
IF Fred McGriff
IF
OF Dale Murphy
OF Felipe Alou
OF
Util
Util
SP Kid Nichols
SP Phil Niekro
SP Tommy Bond
SP Warren Spahn
SP Vic Willis
SP
RP
CL
P
Pos Cincinnati
C Johnny Bench
C Ernie Lombardi
1B
2B Joe Morgan
3B
SS Barry Larkin
LF George Foster
CF Edd Roush
RF Frank Robinson
IF Tony Perez
IF
OF Ken Griffey Sr.
OF
OF
Util Pete Rose
Util
SP Jose Rijo
SP Bucky Walters
SP
SP
SP
SP
RP
CL
P
Pos A's
C
C Frank Hayes
1B Jimmie Foxx
2B Jimmy Dykes
3B Frank Baker
SS Ed Joost
LF Rickey Henderson
CF Al Simmons
RF Reggie Jackson
IF Dick Green
IF Mark McGwire
OF Bob Johnson
OF Jose Canseco
OF
Util Carnie Lansford
Util Danny Murphy
SP Lefty Grove
SP Rube Waddell
SP Chief Bender
SP Eddie Plank
SP Eddie Rommel
SP Bobby Shantz
RP
CL
P
Pos NYY
C Yogi Berra
C Thurman Munson
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Willie Randolph
3B Graig Nettles
SS Phil Rizzuto
LF Mickey Mantle
CF Joe DiMaggio
RF Babe Ruth
IF Don Mattingly
IF
OF Roger Maris
OF Dave Winfield
OF
Util
Util
SP Whitey Ford
SP Lefty Gomez
SP Waite Hoyt
SP Mel Stottlemyre
SP
SP
RP
CL Goose Gossage
P
Pos Baltimore
C Chris Hoiles
C
1B George Sisler
2B
3B Brooks Robinson
SS Cal Ripken Jr.
LF
CF
RF
IF Boog Powell
IF
OF
OF
OF
Util Eddie Murray
Util
SP Milt Pappas
SP Satchel Paige
SP
SP
SP
SP
RP
CL Stu Miller
P
Pos Cleveland
C Sandy Alomar Jr.
C
1B
2B Nap Lajoie
3B Buddy Bell
SS Lou Boudreau
LF Albert Belle
CF Kenny Lofton
RF
IF
IF
OF Larry Doby
OF Tris Speaker
OF
Util
Util
SP Early Wynn
SP Stan Coveleski
SP Bob Feller
SP Addie Joss
SP Bob Lemon
SP Charles Nagy
RP
CL Doug Jones
P
Pos CWS
C Sherm Lollar
C Ray Schalke
1B Frank Thomas
2B Eddie Collins
3B Robin Ventura
SS Luis Aparicio
LF Joe Jackson
CF Johnny Mostil
RF Minnie Minoso
IF Buck Weaver
IF Bill Melton
OF Harold Baines
OF
OF
Util Ozzie Guillen
Util Ivan Calderon
SP Eddie Cicotte
SP Jack McDowell
SP Red Faber
SP Ed Walsh
SP Billy Pierce
SP Wilbur Wood
RP Bobby Thigpen
CL Hoyt Wilhelm
P Gary Peters
Pos StL
C
C
1B
2B Rogers Hornsby
3B Frankie Frisch
SS Ozzie Smith
LF Stan Musial
CF Lou Brock
RF Enos Slaughter
IF Ken Boyer
IF Terry Pendleton
OF Ray Lankford
OF Curt Flood
OF Willie McGee
Util
Util
SP Dizzy Dean
SP Bob Gibson
SP John Tudor
SP Jesse Haines
SP
SP
RP Todd Worrell
CL
P
Pos Brooklyn
C Roy Campanella
C
1B Gil Hodges
2B Jackie Robinson
3B Ron Cey
SS Pee Wee Reese
LF Zack Wheat
CF Duke Snider
RF Willie Keeler
IF Steve Sax
IF Eric Karros
OF Brett Butler
OF Babe Herman
OF Raul Mondesi
Util Maury Wills
Util
SP Don Drysdale
SP Burleigh Grimes
SP Orel Hersheiser
SP Sandy Koufax
SP Fernando Valenzuela
SP
RP
CL
P
Pos NYG
C Roger Bresnahan
C Frank Bowerman
1B Bill Terry
2B Larry Doyle
3B
SS Alvin Dark
LF Ross Youngs
CF Willie Mays
RF Mel Ott
IF Travis Jackson
IF Freddie Lindstrom
OF Bobby Bonds
OF George Burns
OF
Util Willie McCovey
Util George Kelly
SP Carl Hubbell
SP Christy Mathewson
SP Joe McGinnity
SP Freddy Fitzsimmons
SP Juan Marichal
SP Amos Rusie
RP Ace Adams
CL
P Hal Schumacher

[catcher24]

If you are at all interested, I have Rob Neyers' book "Big Book of Baseball Lineups", in which he chooses the greatest lineups for each team, with a #1 and #2 lineup (based on career records). He also chooses the greatest single season lineup (only one). I would be glad to give you some of the info from that if you are interested. As a point of comparison, here are his #1 and #2 all-time (career) Cubs lineups:
Position #1 Team #2 Team
C...................Gabby Hartnett...........Johnny Kling
1B..................Mark Grace................Frank Chance
2B..................Ryne Sandberg...........Billy Herman
SS.................Ernie Banks.................Joe Tinker
3B.................Ron Santo..................Stan Hack
LF.................Billy Williams................Hank Sauer
CF................Hack Wilson.................Andy Pafko
RF.................Sammy Sosa...............Kiki Cuyler
SP1...............Mordecai Brown............Hippo Vaughn
SP2...............Feguson Jenkins...........Charlie Root
SP3...............Pete Alexander.............Lon Warneke
SP4...............Greg Maddux................Ed Reulbach
RP.................Bruce Sutter................Lee Smith

I would use some of the second team starters and long relievers.

If I can be of help, let me know. I think you'll get a LOT of input from the team threads, though.

[RamMan12]

That's pretty cool. In case I haven't said it before though, I don't want active players on the teams. They have to be retired as of right now to be in the league. What I'm thinking of doing is using ARod23's Random Debut database and delete the players that are already in the league so that real players will continue to be in it. I have the OOTP6 demo and I think I'll try to import the league into that version so I have two versions of the league so other things can be used in the league (like 40-man rosters). Last two things, I posted in the Braves and Senators forum to see if they could help me finish those teams and I can't remember if the Browns became the Orioles or not. I know the Orioles became the Highlanders then the Yankees though.

[catcher24]

Yes, the Browns became the Orioles in 1953. Actually, they were the first of the teams that all moved elsewhere during the 50's to leave.

[RamMan12]

Happy New Year everybody. I wasn't able to finish the rosters by the time vacation ended although I have the majority done. I will be pretty busy this month with midterms and other stuff but if you want to help fill in the holes, be my guest. Just post who to put in. I also noticed that Grover "Pete" Alexander is on two teams on the list I posted. He will be on the Cubs, not the Phillies.

I hope to talk to you guys later and thanks for the help.

[RamMan12]

Either tonight or tomorrow I plan to post the roster and depth charts as I have it in the game. Then, I will go to the team forums and ask for input in the holes I have in the rosters. Hope I get good feedback.

[RamMan12]

These are the rosters I have now. I will post some of these in the team forums later. I would like input on these.

Pos ChC
C Gabby Hartnett
C Johnny Kling
1B Frank Chance
2B Ryne Sandberg
3B Ron Santo
SS Ernie Banks
LF Billy Williams
CF Hack Wilson
RF Andre Dawson
IF Joe Tinker
IF Johnny Evers
OF Kiki Cuyler
OF
OF Rick Monday
Util Shawon Dunston
Util Cap Anson
SP Mordecai Brown
SP Grover Alexander
SP Hippo Vaughn
SP Ferguson Jenkins
SP Rick Sutcliffe
SP Clark Griffith 22%
RP Lee Smith
CL Bruce Sutter
P
Pos Washington
C Muddy Ruel
C Rick Ferrell
1B Joe Judge
2B Buddy Meyer
3B Eddie Yost
SS
LF Goose Goslin
CF
RF Sam Rice
IF Cecil Travis
IF Mickey Vernon
OF Clyde Milan
OF Bob Allison
OF Ray Sievers
Util Harmon Killebrew
Util Ossie Bluege
SP Walter Johnson
SP Tom Zachary
SP Dutch Leonard
SP General Crowder
SP Camilo Pascual
SP
RP Firpo Marbery
CL
P
Pos Detroit
C Mickey Cochrane
C
1B Hank Greenberg
2B Charlie Gehringer
3B George Kell
SS Alan Trammell
LF Harry Heilmann
CF Ty Cobb
RF Al Kaline
IF Lou Whitaker
IF
OF Sam Crawford
OF Vic Wertz
OF
Util
Util
SP Hal Newhouser
SP George Mullin
SP Jack Morris
SP Denny McLain
SP Mickey Lolich
SP
RP
CL
P
Pos Philadelphia
C Bob Boone
C Darren Daulton
1B John Kruk
2B
3B Mike Schmidt
SS
LF Ed Delahanty
CF Richie Ashburn
RF Gavvy Cravath
IF Larry Bowa
IF
OF Lenny Dykstra
OF Cy Williams
OF Sam Thompson
Util Tony Taylor
Util Chuck Klein
SP Steve Carlton
SP Robin Roberts
SP Chick Fraser
SP Tug McGraw
SP Jim Bunning
SP Eppa Rixey
RP
CL
P
Pos Pittsburgh
C Manny Sanguillen
C
1B Willie Stargell
2B Bill Mazeroski
3B Pie Traynor
SS Honus Wagner
LF Ralph Kiner
CF Andy Van Slyke
RF Paul Waner
IF Dick Groat
IF Arky Vaughn
OF Roberto Clemente
OF Max Carey
OF Fred Clarke
Util Tommy Leach
Util Lloyd Waner
SP Wilbur Cooper
SP Ed Morris
SP Babe Adams
SP Jesse Tannehill
SP Sam Leever
SP Vern Law 16%
RP Kent Tekulve
CL Elroy Face
P Dave Giusti
Pos Boston
C Carlton Fisk
C
1B Mo Vaughn
2B Bobby Doerr
3B Wade Boggs
SS Joe Cronin
LF Ted Williams
CF Freddie Lynn
RF Dwight Evans
IF Johnny Pesky
IF
OF Dom DiMaggio
OF Carl Yastrzemski
OF
Util
Util
SP Luis Tiant
SP Cy Young
SP Bruce Hurst
SP Bill Lee
SP
SP
RP
CL Dick Radatz
P
Pos
C
C
1B Atlanta
2B Joe Torre
3B
SS Eddie Matthews
LF Glen Hubbard
CF
RF Rabbit Maranville
IF Felipe Alou
IF Hugh Duffy
OF Hank Aaron
OF Fred McGriff
OF
Util Dale Murphy
Util
SP
SP
SP
SP Tommy Bond
SP Warren Spahn
SP Phil Niekro
RP Kid Nichols
CL Vic Willis
P
Pos
C
C
1B Cincinnati
2B Johnny Bench
3B Ernie Lombardi
SS
LF Joe Morgan
CF Bobby Adams
RF Barry Larkin
IF George Foster
IF Edd Roush
OF Frank Robinson
OF Tony Perez
OF
Util Ken Griffey Sr.
Util Gus Bell
SP
SP Pete Rose
SP Bert Haas
SP Jose Rijo
SP Bucky Walters
SP Jim O'Toole
RP Johnny Vander Meer
CL
P
Pos A's
C
C Frank Hayes
1B Jimmie Foxx
2B Jimmy Dykes
3B Frank Baker
SS Ed Joost
LF Rickey Henderson
CF Al Simmons
RF Reggie Jackson
IF Dick Green
IF Mark McGwire
OF Bob Johnson
OF Jose Canseco
OF
Util Carnie Lansford
Util Danny Murphy
SP Eddie Plank
SP Lefty Grove
SP Rube Waddell
SP Chief Bender
SP Eddie Rommel
SP Bobby Shantz
RP
CL Dennis Eckersley
P
Pos NYY
C Yogi Berra
C Thurman Munson
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Willie Randolph
3B Graig Nettles
SS Phil Rizzuto
LF Mickey Mantle
CF Joe DiMaggio
RF Babe Ruth
IF Don Mattingly
IF
OF Roger Maris
OF Dave Winfield
OF
Util
Util
SP Whitey Ford
SP Lefty Gomez
SP Waite Hoyt
SP Mel Stottlemyre
SP
SP
RP
CL Goose Gossage
P
Pos Baltimore
C Chris Hoiles
C
1B George Sisler
2B
3B Brooks Robinson
SS Cal Ripken Jr.
LF
CF
RF
IF Boog Powell
IF
OF
OF
OF
Util Eddie Murray
Util
SP Milt Pappas
SP Satchel Paige
SP
SP
SP
SP
RP
CL Stu Miller
P
Pos Cleveland
C Sandy Alomar Jr.
C
1B
2B Nap Lajoie
3B Buddy Bell
SS Lou Boudreau
LF Albert Belle
CF Kenny Lofton
RF
IF
IF
OF Larry Doby
OF Tris Speaker
OF
Util
Util
SP Early Wynn
SP Stan Coveleski
SP Bob Feller
SP Addie Joss
SP Bob Lemon
SP Charles Nagy
RP
CL Doug Jones
P
Pos CWS
C Sherm Lollar
C Ray Schalke
1B Frank Thomas
2B Eddie Collins
3B Robin Ventura
SS Luis Aparicio
LF Joe Jackson
CF Johnny Mostil
RF Minnie Minoso
IF Buck Weaver
IF Bill Melton
OF Harold Baines
OF
OF
Util Ozzie Guillen
Util Ivan Calderon
SP Eddie Cicotte
SP Gary Peters
SP Red Faber
SP Ed Walsh
SP Billy Pierce
SP Jack McDowell
RP Bobby Thigpen
CL Hoyt Wilhelm
P Wilbur Wood
Pos StL
C Ted Simmons
C
1B
2B Rogers Hornsby
3B Frankie Frisch
SS Ozzie Smith
LF Stan Musial
CF Lou Brock
RF Enos Slaughter
IF Ken Boyer
IF Terry Pendleton
OF Ray Lankford
OF Curt Flood
OF Willie McGee
Util
Util
SP Dizzy Dean
SP Bob Gibson
SP John Tudor
SP Jesse Haines
SP
SP
RP Todd Worrell
CL
P Chuck Taylor
Pos Brooklyn
C Roy Campanella
C
1B Gil Hodges
2B Jackie Robinson
3B Ron Cey
SS Pee Wee Reese
LF Zack Wheat
CF Duke Snider
RF Willie Keeler
IF Steve Sax
IF Eric Karros
OF Brett Butler
OF Babe Herman
OF Raul Mondesi
Util Maury Wills
Util
SP Don Drysdale
SP Burleigh Grimes
SP Orel Hersheiser
SP Sandy Koufax
SP Fernando Valenzuela
SP
RP
CL Jim Brewer
P
Pos NYG
C Roger Bresnahan
C Frank Bowerman
1B Bill Terry
2B Larry Doyle
3B
SS Alvin Dark
LF Ross Youngs
CF Willie Mays
RF Mel Ott
IF Travis Jackson
IF Freddie Lindstrom
OF Bobby Bonds
OF George Burns
OF
Util Willie McCovey
Util George Kelly
SP Juan Marichal
SP Christy Mathewson
SP Amos Rusie
SP Freddy Fitzsimmons
SP Joe McGinnity
SP Carl Hubbell
RP Ace Adams
CL
P Hal Schumacher

The two pitchers with percentages are the spot start percentages for the rotation.

[catcher24]

I'll offer a little input. Please don't take offense at anything, it is offered with good intentions. A lot of it comes from Neyer's book I mentioned to you, but some is straight from me.

Cubs: I would personally take Stan Hack and Billy Herman as reserve infielders over Tinker and Evers. Tinker is a pretty decent choice, too, but Evers (IMO) simply doesn't have enough to offer. I would put Sammy Sosa in your open reserve OF spot; the guy hit 60+ HR three straight years. I would also probably replace Shawon Dunston as a utility with either Stan Hack or Billy Herman, if you keep Tinker and/or Evers. Would probably take Hank Sauer over Rick Monday as reserve OF, too. For the staff, I would go with a 4 man rotation of the top four, and use Sutcliffe and Griffith as your middle relief.

Senators: For SS, you might consider Cecil Travis or Roger Peckinpaugh. For CF, Clyde Milan would be the most likely choice. You would have to get new reserves for those two, but they are the most logical starters. You could add Heinie Manush in the OF and Bucky Harris in the IF. Maybe Bob Porterfield as another starter, and Tex Clevenger as the closer.

Tigers: The obvious person missing is Bill Freehan at catcher. Or Lance Parrish if you prefer, but I would take Freehan. Another infielder could be Donie Bush or Travis Fryman. Reserve OF - bobby Veach, Chet Lemon, Willie Horton. Utility - Veach or Norm Cash. Closer has to be John Hiller or Mike Henneman, and the other should be a RP too. For antoerh starter (I would use them in mid relief) Tommy Bridges or Dizzy Trout.

Phillies: 2B - tony Taylor or Dave Cash. SS - Granny Hamner or Dave Bancroft. I would also try to get Johnny Callison on the team, as a starting or reserve OF. In pitching, I don't believe Tug McGraw was a starter. I would make him the closer, and add Curt Simmons, Curt Schilling and/or Chris Short as starters. Ron Reed would make a good relief pitcher, too.

Pirates: Good job. I would probably have a couple of different starters in the OF, but you've got about all of their greatest players. You must have Barry Bonds on SF, or he needs to be added. I would try to get Bob Friend and Roy Face onto the staff somewhere, too. Backup catcher of Tony Pena would be good.

Red Sox: I would put Yaz at 1B, and use Vaughan as a backup. Nomar Garciaparra would make a good IF.Other OF/UT - Jim Rice, Harry Hooper, Jimmy Collins, Pete Runnels. Backup catcher - Wally Shcang. Other pitchers to consider: Joe Wood (just fantastic until an arm injury), Mel Parnell, Ellis Kinder. BTW, where is Clemens? He spent more time with Boston than any other team.

Atlanta: Catcher - Javy Lopez or Del Crandall. 1B: I'd go with McGriff, you have him as a reserve. Reserve could be Joe Adcock or Chris Chambliss. Looks like you have Glenn Hubbard at SS; I think he was mostly a secondbaseman. I would take Jeff Blauser or Rabbit Maranville at SS. It gets a little jumbled here on the post, so I'm trying to figure out who goes where. I think you have to add Chipper Jones, either at 3B or in the OF.Other OF possibilities are David Justice, Rico Carty and Andruw Jones. I think the five pitchers you have are all supposed to be starters. I would add Tom Glavine, and you have to add Greg Maddux either to the Braves or Cubs. He's top 10 all time, IMO. Seems like John Smoltz should go in there, somewhere, too. For relievers, Gene Garber and Mark Wohlers would be good.

Got to go now. Hope that helps some.

[RamMan12]

Thanks for the input. I thought I put it in this thread but I can't find it; I won't put any players on these rosters that are still active. Also, if Clemens decides to retire, I'll put him back on the Red Sox. But until then, he'll be off the roster.

Now, my responses to the input (except suggestions for active players of course).

Cubs: I'll put Hank Sauer in unless the people in the Cubs forum disagree. I have Rick Monday mainly because he was fairly decent and he was the first person ever drafted. I still need another pitcher, I don't care if he's a starter or reliever, as long as he pitches.

Senators: I didn't know what position he played but I'll put Travis at short now. I saw Manush on one or two other all-time teams so I'll have to think about where to put him. I'll think about the pitcher suggestions.

Tigers: I'll have some problems choosing between Freehan and Parrish. I'll also check the stats for Fryman, Lemon, Bridges, and Trout.

Phillies: I'll put Taylor and Bancroft in those positions. Callison, Simmons, and Reed will be thought about.

Pirates: Thanks, they're my favorite old-time team. Face was a closer, and I like my other pitching choices. For Bonds, he's still active and I HATE him with a passion for many reasons. He will never be on an all-time team of mine, no offense.

Red Sox: Yaz played mainly at LF, so I won't have him as a 1B. I can't believe I left out Rice. I might kill myself now. I'll check out Hooper and Collins.

Atlanta: My thing got screwed up. I'll check the stats and stuff for Crandall, Adcock, Justice, and Blauser (also can't believe I forgot him). BTW, has Smoltz retired yet? I would like to put him on the team.

Just as a note, my five favorite teams go like this: Cubs, Red Sox, Pirates, Tigers, and Padres. Just to explain some choices I made. (The Cubs will be #2 on my list again when they win the WS.)

Thanks again for the input. Now I have to go to the Sox forum and check what they said about my roster.

[catcher24]

I'll have some problems choosing between Freehan and Parrish

I would go with Freehan, personally. But then, the 60's were the era I grew up. General info:
...............................Freehan.........Par rish
OPS+, Lifetime..............112..............105
Win Shares,Lifetime........267.............248
Top 3 seasons, WS......35,30,25......24,24,24
Runs Created/27 outs.....4.76............4.70
MVP Shares...................1.28...........0.26
Gold Gloves, catcher.......5.................3
Games.........................1774............1854

I think Freehan was more highly regarded by his comtemporaries than Parrsih was, too. Freehan played all 15 of his seasons for the Tigers; Parrish only played for them 8 full and 2 partial seasons. In the New Historical Abstract, Bill James rates Freehan 12th among catchers, Parrish 19th (no shame there!). BTW, can you tell I'm a Bill Freehan fan? Parrish would certainly be a decent choice, but I'll go with Freehan.


Callison, Simmons, and Reed will be thought about.
Callison was quite probably one of the 15 greatest players in Phillies history. I would think hard about that one.

For Bonds, he's still active and I HATE him with a passion for many reasons. He will never be on an all-time team of mine, no offense.

No offense taken. We're all entitled to our own opinions, and we all have our favorite and least favorite players. I feel the same way about Bonds as you do. Can't stand him personally, but I simply can't ignore the numbers he put up, even pre-steroids (with the Bucs).

Yaz played mainly at LF, so I won't have him as a 1B.

Surprisingly, Yaz played 765 games at 1B. Vaughn played 1305. Regarding Clemens (and Bonds/Sosa), I believe I do recall your indicating active players would not be considered. My bad, and that also explains why Maddux wasn't on the Cubs or Braves.

BTW, has Smoltz retired yet?

No, he was a starter last year. And a darn good one!

Good luck with the project,sorry I quit early but the Braves started to confuse me. I think the team threads will produce some good ideas, too.

[RamMan12]

As I had no school today, I really got a move on the rosters and most of the players are in the league now. I just need maybe 2 dozen more players for the rosters to be complete. It should be done this week. (I hope!)

[RamMan12]

Update: I'm almost done but I have been busy lately. Also, the computer I'm doing this on is a piece of crap. I'll try to finish it this weekend and see if I can make this downloadable.

[RamMan12]

I couldn't fix the other PC and I can't get put the game on this PC, so I have to stop this project unless someone would like to finish it for me. I have the rosters, just no league to put them in.

[Imapotato]

I'll fix Philly for ya


Pos Philadelphia
C Bob Boone
C Darren Daulton
1B Fred Luderus
2B Granny Hamner (yea he was a SS but played 2nd)
3B Mike Schmidt
SS Larry Bowa
LF Sherry Magee (you said 1901 on, so Big Ed is a no go)
CF Richie Ashburn
RF Chuck Klein
IF Dave Bancroft
IF John Kruk
OF Cy Williams
OF Johnny Callison
OF Roy Thomas
Util Bobby Abreu
Util Del Ennis
SP Pete Alexander
SP Steve Carlton
SP Robin Roberts
SP Chris Short
SP Jim Bunning
SP Tully Sparks
RP Steve Bedrosian
CL Tug McGraw