Don't you get sick and tired of the so called Brooklyn memorabilia?

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

I was looking on the net for a Brooklyn Dodgers T-shirt like I used to have.

I came along a lot of $hit that has been made to make some money out of your celebration. http://www.starstruck.com/Team--Cooperstown--m-2_1384_1418.html

Probably they think: "As long as it has the name Brooklyn on it, it will sell. Eventhough the Dodgers never wore the name Brooklyn on their road jerseys".

What do you think about this?

[donzblock]

The Dodgers for a few years did wear "Brooklyn" on their road jerseys; I believe they did so in the early 40s. But I seem to recall at least one game on TV in 1949 or 1950 when they wore such a uniform. Then again, this vision may be a manifestation of insanity.

I own about 30 different shirts with "Brooklyn Dodgers" on them and use them to remind my students that such a team once existed. I also love wearing them.

[DODGER DEB]

I own many BROOKLYN DODGER t-shirts and sweatshirts, which always look good with jeans. I also have a few jackets and hats. They are such a great conversation piece. I cannot tell you how many people walk up to me and tell me stories about themselves, and their families, being BROOKLYN fans. The best one for me is my license plate which, one of these days, is going to cause an accident because people insist on starting conversations on the road.

I will admit, though, that the market is saturated with BROOKLYN items. Part of it is because this year was the 50th anniversary, but, mostly, because THEY SELL...and have ALWAYS SOLD....and THAT just thrills me. WE BROOKLYN FANS play an important part in keeping the memory of OUR DODGERS ALIVE, and given the fact that WE haven't had an active team for more than 48 years, I say that's pretty darn good! :clapping

It sure makes MLB look like the "prime fools of creation" for allowing baseball to leave BROOKLYN in the first place! :evil

c.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

The Dodgers for a few years did wear "Brooklyn" on their road jerseys; I believe they did so in the early 40s. But I seem to recall at least one game on TV in 1949 or 1950 when they wore such a uniform. Then again, this vision may be a manifestation of insanity.

I own about 30 different shirts with "Brooklyn Dodgers" on them and use them to remind my students that such a team once existed. I also love wearing them.

It is my wrong then. Sorry. I really thought that they have never worn the name Brooklyn on their road jerseys.

[DODGER DEB]

It is my wrong then. Sorry. I really thought that they have never worn the name Brooklyn on their road jerseys.

I believe BROOKLYN was worn on the road uniforms through the 1946 season. After that, it was simply DODGERS!

I know WE had a discussion on this subject some time last year, which included the use of BROOKLYN on a uniform in 1949/1950, as the Professor states.

c.

[Paulmcall]

If you look at old photos of the players, you'll see plenty of them with Brooklyn scrawled across their chests.
The early 1900's, the 1925 road uniform. the 1929 road uniform, the 1935 home, '37 road and home uniform, 1941 road, 1945 road and the 40's satin road uniform.:clapping

[runningshoes]

This is the 1945 road jersey.

[Gooch]

I kind of see your point. As much as I love the old Brooklyn Dodgers and their majestic place in baseball history, I, too, am sick and tired of the overwhelming focus on this team, not just in memorabilia, but also in books and media.
I am also sick and tired of all the books and talking-heads who are obsessed with the Red Sox.
But what REALLY bugs me is when non-baseball fans pretend they love these clubs, when we all know it's phony.
But I understand why this has happened. The mass media is still based in New York (lots of old Brooklyn fans here), and many people go to college in Boston. This East Coast bias is in full gear here.
You will notice that the St. Louis Cardinals (a franchise that is just as rich in tradition as the Yanks, Dodgers and Red Sox) gets very little notoriety or exposure.

[theAmazingMet]

I kind of see your point. As much as I love the old Brooklyn Dodgers and their majestic place in baseball history, I, too, am sick and tired of the overwhelming focus on this team, not just in memorabilia, but also in books and media.
I am also sick and tired of all the books and talking-heads who are obsessed with the Red Sox.
But what REALLY bugs me is when non-baseball fans pretend they love these clubs, when we all know it's phony.
But I understand why this has happened. The mass media is still based in New York (lots of old Brooklyn fans here), and many people go to college in Boston. This East Coast bias is in full gear here.
You will notice that the St. Louis Cardinals (a franchise that is just as rich in tradition as the Yanks, Dodgers and Red Sox) gets very little notoriety or exposure.

That's funny you mention about the Cards, I often wonder the same thing myself. What about the Red's (oldest pro team in baseball) they also have a long and storied history that is largely forgotten outside of Ohio.

[theAmazingMet]

This is the 1945 road jersey.

I love this jersey, and wear it often, as well as the 1955 Robinson jersey. People call me nuts wearing these wool jerseys in the summer, but the players back then did!

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

I kind of see your point. As much as I love the old Brooklyn Dodgers and their majestic place in baseball history, I, too, am sick and tired of the overwhelming focus on this team, not just in memorabilia, but also in books and media.
I am also sick and tired of all the books and talking-heads who are obsessed with the Red Sox.
But what REALLY bugs me is when non-baseball fans pretend they love these clubs, when we all know it's phony.
But I understand why this has happened. The mass media is still based in New York (lots of old Brooklyn fans here), and many people go to college in Boston. This East Coast bias is in full gear here.
You will notice that the St. Louis Cardinals (a franchise that is just as rich in tradition as the Yanks, Dodgers and Red Sox) gets very little notoriety or exposure.

I think the attention in the media won't hurt. The team accomplishe a remarkable feat, the only World Championship in it's existance. But what bothers me are companies like Nike that want to get your last penny by selling this kind of bull (the so called memorabilia) because most of the US remembers their 1955 World Championship.

[tonypug]

I don't mind Brooklyn Dodger memorabilia, when it's true Brooklyn memorabilia. Some of the stuff you see on E_Bay are ridiculous. Frank Howard autographed jerseys. Frank Howard never was a Brooklyn Dodger. Red, green, purple, pink Brooklyn Dodger hats,the Dodgers never wore those. Or the people who are selling items and don't have a clue about the Brooklyn Dodgers. Duke Snyder autographed pictures, I never knew anyone by that name. It's good to see the Brooklyn Dodger name and true memorabilia but some of the stuff being sold is just plain garbage.

[Buddyman]

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3321496&dept=4125&path=0%3A4125%3A133222%3A164066

[tonypug]

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3321496&dept=4125&path=0%3A4125%3A133222%3A164066
The Koufax picture was taken when he was on the Los Angeles Dodgers, it was after his fourth no hitter. Thats what I am talkin about, that had nothing to do with Brooklyn Dodger history.

[theAmazingMet]

The funniest things I have seen are caps from teams like the Boston Braves and Red Sox being hawked as Brooklyn Dodgers. That is almost as amusing as Yankee fans asking me if I am a Red Sox fan while wearing a Brooklyn Dodger hat. "Ummmhhh, Not a big baseball fan are you?" is usually my response. :crazy

[donzblock]

I own many BROOKLYN DODGER t-shirts and sweatshirts, which always look good with jeans. I also have a few jackets and hats. They are such a great conversation piece. I cannot tell you how many people walk up to me and tell me stories about themselves, and their families, being BROOKLYN fans. The best one for me is my license plate which, one of these days, is going to cause an accident because people insist on starting conversations on the road.

I will admit, though, that the market is saturated with BROOKLYN items. Part of it is because this year was the 50th anniversary, but, mostly, because THEY SELL...and have ALWAYS SOLD....and THAT just thrills me. WE BROOKLYN FANS play an important part in keeping the memory of OUR DODGERS ALIVE, and given the fact that WE haven't had an active team for more than 48 years, I say that's pretty darn good! :clapping

It sure makes MLB look like the "prime fools of creation" for allowing baseball to leave BROOKLYN in the first place! :evil

c.
I get into conversations all the time with Brooklyn Dodger fans, thanks to my Brooklyn Dodger shirts and jackets. And I'm in Pennsylvania. One kid who works in the Paoli Acme, a kid, mind you, can cite chapter and verse of the '55 season, and he does whenever he sees me. But it is amazing how many people my age in Pennsylvania attended games in Ebbets Field.

I even dug up an old New York Giant fan out near Oxford on Route 10. He runs an antique store, and he used to be a "taker" in the Polo Grounds. He calls himself a "taker," not a "ticket taker." And he is loaded with stories about how the money was collected in that old park and how the Brooklyn Dodgers were regarded there.

[BayRidgeBrooklyn]

According to Marc Okkonen's authoritative book "Baseball Uniforms of the 20th Century" (highly useful for identifying dates of old photos), the last season that "Brooklyn" appeared on the Dodgers road uniform was 1945.

The "Dolph Camilli" #4 road jersey (above) is displayed here in my office in Japan. English students regularly ask questions about this very good "Mitchell & Ness" reproduction.

Regarding the anything-for-a-buck memorabilia circus, there are two sides here. While I avoid most so-called "authentic/official" baseball memorabilia (junk like figurines, dinner plates, and cards allegedly containing a chip of a brick, sliver of a bat, a centimeter of a jersey, etc), there are also some high-quality (fitted) caps, antique-style pennants, books, and (in-person) autographs that may be worth your while. Shop around carefully.

Of course, the "real" stuff (dated prior to 1958) is in very limited supply, is often is poor condition, and costs more than a few shekels.

[Dave]

In August of '79, I bought a BROOKLYN STILL LOVES THE DODGERS T-shirt from a street vendor in mid town Manhattan for $1. That was cheap, even for the late 70's. The shirt didn't quite fit but I had to have it. I only wore it a couple of times (too small), But again, I had to wear it. Still have it. The "curve ball" regarding this shirt, is that it is black with silver lettering, not blue & white, looking more like a Raiders shirt.
Also, about a year earlier, Hanes put out what may have been the first quality "throwback" shirt (originally they were called "old-timers"------ Remember?). It was white with Brookly in script across the front. Still have that one, too.

[kramer_47]

There is an exhibit online at the HOF that shows drawings of the uniforms worn by all the team all the way back to 1900.

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm

[Imapotato]

The history of Brooklyn's uniform

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/uniforms.asp?league=NL&city=Brooklyn&lowYear=&highYear=&sort=year&increment=9

As you can see,

1900-1909 had Brooklyn across the front of the road uni
1916 was the worst uniform in baseball history
1925 they had Brooklyn on the road uni but not scripted, in block
1930 was collegiate lettering
1934-1937 it was Brooklyn
and 1945 was the last year they used Brooklyn, and in the lettering you see in today's memorabilla

[55 chmps]

Probably they think: "As long as it has the name Brooklyn on it, it will sell. Eventhough the Dodgers never wore the name Brooklyn on their road jerseys".

I believe that the Dodgers had Brooklyn even on their home jerseys in 1941. I think last year, the LA Dodgers wore throwback uniforms from '41 that said Brooklyn on the front.

[DODGER DEB]

[QUOTE=yankees rule]

Probably they think: "As long as it has the name Brooklyn on it, it will sell. Eventhough the Dodgers never wore the name Brooklyn on their road jerseys".

QUOTE]

I believe that the Dodgers had Brooklyn even on their home jerseys in 1941. I think last year, the LA Dodgers wore throwback uniforms from '41 that said Brooklyn on the front.

The sad thing is that that west coast group thought the uniforms were from 1947. This, after they were told, again and again, that WE did not have "BROOKLYN" on OUR 1947 uniforms.

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[Elvis]

The throwback east coast group jersey was never meant to be a "replica road jersey" - obviously, it was white, not grey with blue piping. It was designed as an original home design inspired by the old road jerseys. Just like the White Sox current jerseys are inspired by the old Go-Go-Sox era jerseys, they're not replicas.

[Elvis]

Ok, I have a question: These days, a huge chunk of cash is made from selling huge quantities of authentic team merchandise. Was it like this in the 40s and 50s? Did Ebbets Field (and other ballparks) have a team store? Or were there just souvenier stands that sold a few hats, pennants and maybe a jacket or two? Every time I see an old newsreel of a ballgame no one in the stands is wearing any team gear except the occasional cap.

[donzblock]

Ok, I have a question: These days, a huge chunk of cash is made from selling huge quantities of authentic team merchandise. Was it like this in the 40s and 50s? Did Ebbets Field (and other ballparks) have a team store? Or were there just souvenier stands that sold a few hats, pennants and maybe a jacket or two? Every time I see an old newsreel of a ballgame no one in the stands is wearing any team gear except the occasional cap.
That's a good question. We took for granted the team merchandise that sold in the 40s and 50s. At least I did. I think most of us assumed that it would always be available at reasonable prices.

I don't think it was big business back then. There was no such thing as a team store that I can remember. There was no such thing as a Brooklyn Dodger sweatshirt that you could buy; such items of apparel were probably available only to the players and clubhouse employees.

Most of the items we purchased were small things like buttons and caps, and they sold at souvenir stands at the park.

[DODGER DEB]

Ok, I have a question: These days, a huge chunk of cash is made from selling huge quantities of authentic team merchandise. Was it like this in the 40s and 50s? Did Ebbets Field (and other ballparks) have a team store? Or were there just souvenier stands that sold a few hats, pennants and maybe a jacket or two? Every time I see an old newsreel of a ballgame no one in the stands is wearing any team gear except the occasional cap.


There really wasn't much sold at any ballpark in those days. The Professor is right, there was no such thing as a "team store" in the 1950's.

Most of the vendors were outside (on the street) of OUR Ebbets Field and they sold picture buttons, large and small, of not only OUR players, but they usually had some of the team WE were playing that day. I still have several of them. They also sold pennants, large and small. If there were any vendors inside Ebbets, (and I don't recall them), they were few and far between.

I don't ever remember seeing hats or jackets sold at Ebbets, and as the Professor said, there was no such thing as a "team sweatshirt" back then. As I remember, there were some sporting goods stores that carried a few of these items.

When WE (the DODGER DEBS) wanted to have OUR sweaters and hats made, I remember WE went through the DODGER front office and they put US in touch with the group that made many of the team items.

If only someone had thought about it then, (as WE now know) there certainly was a "gold mine" to be made in BROOKLYN. If only....

c.

[tonypug]

There was a store called Manny's Baseball World, near Yankee Stadium. They sold shirts and jackets with the team names on them as well as a lot of what we now call memorabilia. A real fun place.

[kramer_47]

Manny's world moved to Jersey years ago, I don't know if he still opened, He had everything very nice store. Stan Martucci bought those stores near Yankee stadium, he also has great selection of baseball memorabilia, I think Stan has 2 memorabilia stores and a bar on that block. Talking about some of the authorized HOF things like hats and shirts some are off the wall how do they authorize that junk. About 10 years ago I bought every Brooklyn hat from 1900-57 for my collection except the 1937 green cap, they are exact to what they wore back then, I got them from a wholesaler in Alabama they are made by American Needle. I'm proud to wear everyone of them but you aren't catching me in some red or orange pinstripe cap that is suppose to be Brooklyn Dodgers because it has a "B" on it.

[bobw357]

Nice photo from the BPL site http://www.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/slideshows/dodgers/lg_img/DODG_0008.jpg

[webmaster]

So much has been said about the type of items, the quantity of items, and those items which are spinoffs (a modern trend I believe that plagues each time - even my daughter has a pink t-shirt with a Marlins logo on it), but was is the best item you have / own? Which of the 30 shirts in your closet is your favorite and if you don't like some of those 30 shirts anymore please just send me a PM and I'll send you my address so you can get rid of those yucky ones.

[donzblock]

So much has been said about the type of items, the quantity of items, and those items which are spinoffs (a modern trend I believe that plagues each time - even my daughter has a pink t-shirt with a Marlins logo on it), but was is the best item you have / own? Which of the 30 shirts in your closet is your favorite and if you don't like some of those 30 shirts anymore please just send me a PM and I'll send you my address so you can get rid of those yucky ones.
I would like some of those yucky ones you now have in your closet. In fact, I would like to see some of those yucky ones restored to this thread.

Regarding the yucky ones remaining in my closet, even the ones that are shredded I cannot get rid of; I managed to preserve a Brooklyn Dodger Bum logo on one and will take it to a tailor some day and have it sewn onto a navy blue sports jacket. I am not kidding.

[jaykay]

As far as Dodger memorabilia is concerned: in QUANTITY, I rank somewhere around last place, but for decades I've had an item that no one has mentioned yet. It's heavier than a T-shirt, lighter than a sweatshirt, 3/4 length sleeves in royal blue, center area in white - the kind a player might wear under a uniform jersey...and in that center area are the words "PROPERTY OF BROOKLYN DODGERS." It's lasted for decades because I hardly wear it, although when I do it attracts plenty of attention. It was available briefly during the time "Property Of....." became something of a fad, beginning with college kids pilfering those gym shirts announcing ".....University of [Whatever] Athletic Department." There was a company that advertised in one of the sports magazines which would make up such garments for any team you wished. If you saw someone in those days wearing "Property Of Sheboygan Redskins" or "Property Of New York Rovers," that was Fat Frank Losquadro, our neighborhood bookie and jailbird. (Being gifted with wit as well as discretionary income, he also had one that said "Property Of Fat Frank Losquadro.")
But once again, I am digressing.
Was there actually such a Brooklyn Dodgers shirt? Was it strictly novelty memorabilia, or were the guys on the team issued this kind of priceless apparel to wear? I've never seen a photo of one, but that (like much of what I say) doesn't prove a thing.
What have you heard?

[donzblock]

As far as Dodger memorabilia is concerned: in QUANTITY, I rank somewhere around last place, but for decades I've had an item that no one has mentioned yet. It's heavier than a T-shirt, lighter than a sweatshirt, 3/4 length sleeves in royal blue, center area in white - the kind a player might wear under a uniform jersey...and in that center area are the words "PROPERTY OF BROOKLYN DODGERS." It's lasted for decades because I hardly wear it, although when I do it attracts plenty of attention. It was available briefly during the time "Property Of....." became something of a fad, beginning with college kids pilfering those gym shirts announcing ".....University of [Whatever] Athletic Department." There was a company that advertised in one of the sports magazines which would make up such garments for any team you wished. If you saw someone in those days wearing "Property Of Sheboygan Redskins" or "Property Of New York Rovers," that was Fat Frank Losquadro, our neighborhood bookie and jailbird. (Being gifted with wit as well as discretionary income, he also had one that said "Property Of Fat Frank Losquadro.")
But once again, I am digressing.
Was there actually such a Brooklyn Dodgers shirt? Was it strictly novelty memorabilia, or were the guys on the team issued this kind of priceless apparel to wear? I've never seen a photo of one, but that (like much of what I say) doesn't prove a thing.
What have you heard?
When will you be posting a photo of your "Property of Brooklyn Dodgers" shirt? And is there any company today that is selling such a shirt? Also, is there any truth to the story that you were once caught wearing a "Property of Fat Frank Losquadro" shirt? I would like one of those, too.

[jaykay]

When will you be posting a photo of your "Property of Brooklyn Dodgers" shirt? And is there any company today that is selling such a shirt? Also, is there any truth to the story that you were once caught wearing a "Property of Fat Frank Losquadro" shirt? I would like one of those, too.


Answers are:
Never
Not a chance
No

But see PM for exciting offer. Anything to make you happy again.

[CaliforniaCajun]

I believe that the Dodgers had Brooklyn even on their home jerseys in 1941. I think last year, the LA Dodgers wore throwback uniforms from '41 that said Brooklyn on the front.

The home uniforms with "Brooklyn" on them the Dodgers wore last year never existed. In 1941 only the road uniform had the script "Brooklyn."

[DODGER DEB]

The home uniforms with "Brooklyn" on them the Dodgers wore last year never existed. In 1941 only the road uniform had the script "Brooklyn."


The uniforms that the west coast group insisted on using last year were supposed to reflect 1947. As I have stated here several times, they were told, and told, and told again, that in 1947 WE did NOT have BROOKLYN on either OUR home or road uniforms.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!

c.

[Elvis]

The home uniforms with "Brooklyn" on them the Dodgers wore last year never existed. In 1941 only the road uniform had the script "Brooklyn."


The Dodgers weren't trying to create a "replica" jersey. How hard a concept is this to get a grasp on? It was a completely new design inspired by old jerseys. It was never meant to be a representation of the Dodgers home uniforms of 1947. Anyone saying otherwise is simply wrong, despite the propaganda being reported in this thread that they "screwed up" by not getting the '47 replica correct. It wasn't supposed to be a replica. :crazy :crazy :crazy

[Elvis]

The uniforms that the west coast group insisted on using last year were supposed to reflect 1947.

Supposed to? Actually they were "supposed" to make money (which they have and will continue to), which is why any special or alternate jersey is designed and marketed these days by any ballclub. If the Dodgers were to market a jersey that not as many people would buy but was "historically accurate" that would be a stupid business practice, don't you think?

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[tonypug]

Supposed to? Actually they were "supposed" to make money (which they have and will continue to), which is why any special or alternate jersey is designed and marketed these days by any ballclub. If the Dodgers were to market a jersey that not as many people would buy but was "historically accurate" that would be a stupid business practice, don't you think?

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They were supposed to make money. Which is the only reason they celebrated the 50th anniversary of 1955, just to make money.

[Elvis]

They were supposed to make money. Which is the only reason they celebrated the 50th anniversary of 1955, just to make money.

Not the only reason. But can you name me a business that celebrates anniversaries without tying them into some sort of a promotion?

"Come celebrate (Insert company here) 50th anniversary celebration all month long! Huge savings on everything!"

Sears, Starbuck's, Ford, NFL, NBA, NHL... you name the business (Yes, gasp, baseball is a business) and I'll name you an anniversary promotion designed to make money.

The Dodgers are no different from any other MLB club in promotions. I suppose you already forgot the NFL and NBA's recent 50-year anniversaries which included tons of money making ventures including retro jerseys and other gear. But of course the Dodgers are wicked for having a director of marketing like every other pro sports team :eek: - yada yada yada. :D

[tonypug]

Not the only reason. But can you name me a business that celebrates anniversaries without tying them into some sort of a promotion?

"Come celebrate (Insert company here) 50th anniversary celebration all month long! Huge savings on everything!"

Sears, Starbuck's, Ford, NFL, NBA, NHL... you name the business (Yes, gasp, baseball is a business) and I'll name you an anniversary promotion designed to make money.

The Dodgers are no different from any other MLB club in promotions. I suppose you already forgot the NFL and NBA's recent 50-year anniversaries which included tons of money making ventures including retro jerseys and other gear. But of course the Dodgers are wicked for having a director of marketing like every other pro sports team :eek: - yada yada yada. :D
Elvis, Elvis, Elvis you are right about what you said, but we are talking about the Dodgers, not the other money grabbers. The whole 50th anniversary thing left a bad taste in my mouth, everybody involved had their hand out,its just a sign of the times. Some things are best celebrated in our own memories.By the way thats a great avatar, I loved watching Benny Hill.

[callingit]

I even dug up an old New York Giant fan out near Oxford on Route 10. He runs an antique store, and he used to be a "taker" in the Polo Grounds. He calls himself a "taker," not a "ticket taker." And he is loaded with stories about how the money was collected in that old park and how the Brooklyn Dodgers were regarded there.


DonZBOCK, would you happen to remember exactly where this antique shop is? I'd LOVE to track down this 'taker' and have a good chat with him.



I'm in the market for a good Brooklyn throwback jersey but I'm very picky--It can be a replica jersey, but I want Brooklyn across the front, in good condition, without overpaying. I think Mitchell & Ness should be ashamed for charging 159.00 or more for 'replica' jerseys, but they sure are getting it, aren't they?