Angels' Logo

[redlegsfan21]

I don't know if I'm the only one but I think the Angels need to change their logo. Why? Because that logo, I can only associate with the Anaheim Angels and not the L.A. Angels.

[iPod]

Can't help but agree. I don't understand what's with this weird identity crisis; they need to just pick a hometown and go with it. Their justification, I guess, is that "A" is for "Angel".

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Can't help but agree. I don't understand what's with this weird identity crisis; they need to just pick a hometown and go with it. Their justification, I guess, is that "A" is for "Angel".

Yep.

Why do they need to change? The Athletics also wear the first letter of the team name on their cap.

Besides, I still consider the Angels from Anaheim, not from Los Angeles.

I am not the only on thinking this. I saw a couple of people walking around at Angel Stadium with red t-shirts: We're not L.A.

[Bluesteve32]

I don't know if I'm the only one but I think the Angels need to change their logo. Why? Because that logo, I can only associate with the Anaheim Angels and not the L.A. Angels.

The "A" logo has always mean "Angels" an dnot Anaheim. Back when they ere the California Angels the had basically two different logos with just an "A." Starting in 1971, they had the little "A" logo and the next season they went to the Big "A" logo which with a couple of modifications kept until the early 1990s.

The fans and organization really likes the current "A" logo and there are no plans to change it. Severl Angels fans have made and "LA" logo similar to the old 1961-65 LA Angels cap logo.

[Bluesteve32]

Here is another one. Remember these are some suggestions some fans have made, but with all the flap over the name, I doubt if anything will really change and don't think the club really wants to.

[Jake83]

Here is another one. Remember these are some suggestions some fans have made, but with all the flap over the name, I doubt if anything will really change and don't think the club really wants to.




Why would they want the L on their logo. The Angels should just built a staduim in Long Beach like what Autry wanted before moving to Anaheim then they can call themselves the LA Angels

[Big_Mac]

The Angels should just built a staduim in Long Beach


then they could be the los angeles angels of anahiem in long beach :D

[Bluesteve32]

Why would they want the L on their logo. The Angels should just built a staduim in Long Beach like what Autry wanted before moving to Anaheim then they can call themselves the LA Angels

Autry refused the Long Beach deal because the Long Beach City Council insisted that the club be called the Long Beach Angels, which have made a lot more sense that Anaheim since Long Beach has 100,000 more people, a major port, a regional airport, University, community college, and a Freeway named for the city, all of which Anaheim does not. ;)

Remember, these logos were someone's suggestions and are no way connected officially with the club or anything that the club is planning.

[Swiss]

I really hate the new official name of the Angels. Several times when I came in this forum, I usually search "Anaheim Angels" in the listing thinking it was the first name in the AL listing... aaaah noooo, let's search a bit below more!!!

Between KC Royals and Minnesota Twins I can find it! :crazy

[Bluesteve32]

I really hate the new official name of the Angels. Several times when I came in this forum, I usually search "Anaheim Angels" in the listing thinking it was the first name in the AL listing... aaaah noooo, let's search a bit below more!!!

Between KC Royals and Minnesota Twins I can find it! :crazy

I do too, that "of Anaheim" must go. Guys, the Anaheim thing was a Disney creation to go along with that hocket team named after a kids movies starring paula Abdual's ex husband. It was California for 31+ seasons, if anything people still look for California as opposded to Anaheim.

[Bluesteve32]

Besides, I still consider the Angels from Anaheim, not from Los Angeles. .

Check the map, Anaheim is in the greater LA area. Look at the picture, too. Is there any real delineation between the two. OC exist as a suburban bedroom community, because of its proximity to LA.

I am not the only on thinking this. I saw a couple of people walking around at Angel Stadium with red t-shirts: We're not L.A.

Those are some Orance County residents who feel that OC is not LA and have become elitists. They are mad at Arte.

[Jake83]

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Those are some Orance County residents who feel that OC is not LA and have become elitists. They are mad at Arte.[/QUOTE]


People move to Orange County because they can not afford to buy homes in LA

[Bluesteve32]

People move to Orange County because they can not afford to buy homes in LA

Actually, many OC home are much more expensive now than LA Co houses and they are newer. OC is more affluent that LA County as a whole, too. But those are characteristics of suburban bedroom communities, just like much of the San Gabriel Valley is today and the SF Valley back in the 1950s.

Many of those professionals choose not to live in LA proper because the quality of life is much better in OC that it is in many places in LA County and most school districts are better than many of LA County's districts. So your statement is pure bunk.

[Jake83]

Actually, many OC home are much more expensive now than LA Co houses and they are newer. OC is more affluent that LA County as a whole, too. But those are characteristics of suburban bedroom communities, just like much of the San Gabriel Valley is today and the SF Valley back in the 1950s.

Many of those professionals choose not to live in LA proper because the quality of life is much better in OC that it is in many places in LA County and most school districts are better than many of LA County's districts. So your statement is pure bunk.

I am talking about certain parts of LA compared to Orange County not the suburban areas and the flight to the surburbs of LA are totally different than what it was in the 1950's because now professionals are choosing to live in the city that is why new apartment complexs are being built in West LA, Long Beach, Hollywood, Santa Monica and even dowtown and people going to the suburbs are the minorties


What is the average price of home sales in Pasedena 580-620
Most of the others areas of the SGV and the SFV drops the average price in LA County because they are not considered high demand destenations
Comapred to Orange County which people in the Inland Empire and maybe even Eastern LA County consider high demand zip codes

[Elvis]

Check the map, Anaheim is in the greater LA area. Look at the picture, too. Is there any real delineation between the two. .

That's silly. "The greater L.A. area"--sounds like something made up by Cal Worthington to sell more cars. L.A. is L.A., and Anaheim is Anaheim.

I guess Tiajuana is part of the greater San Diego area????:confused:

[Paulmcall]

Anyone remember when they had the halos on their hats?:confused:

[west coast orange and black]

angels caps featured halos (from left to right) in 1971, '72-'92, '93-94

i have an original '71 cap signed by reigning batting champ alex johnson. :D

[runningshoes]

Isn't LA the wierdest place on the planet, anyways?

[runningshoes]

angels caps featured halos (from left to right) in 1971, '72-'92, '93-94

i have an original '71 cap signed by reigning batting champ alex johnson. :D

Why would you go and ruin a perfectly good hat? ;)

[west coast orange and black]

heck, i was kid. how was i supposed to know that he would turn out to be the player he turned out to be?

[westsidegrounds]

I think PM means when they had the halo actually on the caps?
(1962-70)

[Paulmcall]

Yep. that was in early 60's when Rigney was their manager.:waving

[AnaheimAngelsFan]

It ain't broke, so no need to fix it.

When the team was the Los Angeles Angels and played in L.A. their logo meant "Los Angeles." But whenever they used just A's in the logos they have always meant "Angels" not Anaheim. So, whether or not Arte loses his court fight with the city it STILL means "Angels."

First we had the "LA" while in Los Angeles.
Then the entwined "CA."
Then the lower case "a."
Then the capital "A" with the yellow halo.
Then the flying "A" from Disney.
Currently we have the newer redesigned (also, by Disney) red "A'" with the silver halo. (This is the best one. We should stick with this one.)

Look at the Yankees' "NY" or the Dodgers' "LA." They are classics, and never change. Why can't we stick with one logo? Nothing wrong with the current "A." It still reminds me of the 2002 World Series Champions, and I'm not ready to let that go yet.

[mojorisin71]

God, not the periwinkle uniforms again!!!

Those were an abomination to the team.

[Bluesteve32]

That's silly. "The greater L.A. area"--sounds like something made up by Cal Worthington to sell more cars. L.A. is L.A., and Anaheim is Anaheim.

I guess Tiajuana is part of the greater San Diego area????:confused:

Actually, Tijuana is actually part of the greater San Diego area very much like Ciudad Juarez and El Paso are, Kansas City, KS and Kansas City, MO, Niagara Falls, ONT, and Niagara Falls, NY, and the Greater New York City Area includes parts of NJ and CT. Frankly, San Bernardino, Riverside, and Ventura Counties also have area which are downright suburbs of LA and the whole counties of each are part of the US Census's CMSA which inculdes LA as its hub.

BTW, it's "Tijuana" not "Tiajuana."

[Elvis]

Poo poo -

[sschirmer]

I, for one, think the entire east coast is just a suburb of NYC, so I think the following changes are in order:

the New York Phillies of Philadelphia
The New York Red Sox of Boston
The New York Orioles of Baltimore
and the New York Nationals of Washington

[Bluesteve32]

Actually, that whole region is known as a megaopolis as "Bos-Wash." Two other main megaopolises is the Buffalo-Chicago (including Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Milwaukee) and San-San (San Diego to San Francisco). If you ever driven on the California coast, you have almost solid city from San Ysidro (At the Tijuana border) to the Santa Barbara area, Camp Pendleton excepted.

Doesn't the New York media belive that NYC is the entire media world and nothing else matters anyway?

[sschirmer]

Actually, that whole region is known as a megaopolis as "Bos-Wash." Two other main megaopolises is the Buffalo-Chicago (including Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Milwaukee) and San-San (San Diego to San Francisco). If you ever driven on the California coast, you have almost solid city from San Ysidro (At the Tijuana border) to the Santa Barbara area, Camp Pendleton excepted.

Doesn't the New York media belive that NYC is the entire media world and nothing else matters anyway?

Very good point. Let's just go with the:
New York Yankees of the Bronx
New York Mets of Queens.

[Jake83]

I believe in the near future Arte Moreno will adopt the LA name into the Angel logo. In my opinion the real question is will Arte move the team into LA and alienate his fan base even more. If Arte plays that card he will damage his fan support in Orange County which even with the LA name is the main pool of Angel fans.

[Bluesteve32]

I believe in the near future Arte Moreno will adopt the LA name into the Angel logo. In my opinion the real question is will Arte move the team into LA and alienate his fan base even more. If Arte plays that card he will damage his fan support in Orange County which even with the LA name is the main pool of Angel fans.

I don't think so. there have alway been fans of the Angels other that OC and many OC residents almost view this whole affair with a "snooty" attidute if you will. As long as many of the same fans can still get to the ballpark from the Inland Empire and most of OC, and not be in the downtown area, things will be just fine for Arte and the Angel and those OC yokels will shut their traps about the next situation, when a team does move out of that county.

[runningshoes]

The New York Red Sox of Boston

You're skating on thin ice. :grouchy

[mojorisin71]

You're skating on thin ice. :grouchy

Why? The NY Times owns 18% of the Red Sox

I wouldn't put it past Arte Moreno to move the team back to LA. Especially if the City of Anaheim gives him no reason to stay there.

[Bluesteve32]

Why? The NY Times owns 18% of the Red Sox

I wouldn't put it past Arte Moreno to move the team back to LA. Especially if the City of Anaheim gives him no reason to stay there.

We'll find out soon! But I don't think he'd move to LA proper, just some other city in the area like Long Beach, Carson, Irwindale, Pomona or some other Southland city in the 'burbs.

[AnaheimAngelsFan]

We'll find out soon! But I don't think he'd move to LA proper, just some other city in the area like Long Beach, Carson, Irwindale, Pomona or some other Southland city in the 'burbs.

The Angels have a lease for the stadium which was signed in 1996 that will last until 2029.

[Jake83]

Gene Autry made a terrible move when he moved the Angels to Orange County I believe Atre Moreno could break it

Any contract can be broken there is always a way out of a contract.

[Bluesteve32]

The Angels have a lease for the stadium which was signed in 1996 that will last until 2029.

There is an escape clause for after the 2017 season.

Also Anaheim may end up getting the lease null and void in the court case which could make the Angels "free agents."

[eddiejc1]

Autry refused the Long Beach deal because the Long Beach City Council insisted that the club be called the Long Beach Angels, which have made a lot more sense that Anaheim since Long Beach has 100,000 more people, a major port, a regional airport, University, community college, and a Freeway named for the city, all of which Anaheim does not. ;)

Remember, these logos were someone's suggestions and are no way connected officially with the club or anything that the club is planning.

Maybe you could clarify something for me. I got the impression from the MLB Angels board that Gene Autry wanted the Angels to keep the "Los Angeles" name when he moved out of Chavez Ravine. Supposedly, Anaheim refused to let him keep the name "Los Angeles" if they were going to build a stadium, and Autry refused to name the team "Anaheim" because he felt it would alienate L.A. fans he wanted to keep. The compromise they agreed on was that the team would be renamed the "California Angels" but the stadium would be named "Anaheim Stadium."

I do not think the Angels will leave the greater L.A. area, and I understand that the city of Anaheim wants to fight Arte Moreno from breaking their lease. But they could win the battle and lose the war. What is more important to them---that a major league baseball team (as opposed to an NFL team) be named anything other than "Los Angeles", or that they have a major league team period? Moreno has lots of time, and if he does not work things out I would not be surprised if he builds a new stadium out of Orange County altogether....perhaps in L.A. itself...where he could name the team however he wants.

Eddie Cunningham

[Bluesteve32]

I dno't believe that was the case for Mr Autry when he move to Anaheim in 1966. In fact, what I have read, the city of Anaheim at that time didn't care if the Angels used California since all news items concerneing the club would have an Anaheim dateline.

Long Beach offered to build a stadium, but insidsted on the club being the Long Beach Angels and Autry went with Anaheim. Like I have said before, the Angels were the first team to actually move into the suburbs so ther was no paradigm before this and since he was playing 30 miles southeast of downtown LA (actual distance between the Big A and Chavez Ravine is 31.5 miles, and the Ravine is slightly northwest of Downtown LA) that Los Angeles was not appropriate. However, when Carroll Rosenbloom move the Rams (Lambs) to Anaheim Stadium, he emphatically retain the Los Angeles moniker. Many of the anit-name change crowd don't seem to reconcile that fact except by saying that "I don't like football", and "where are the Rams now."

[stlcardsfan73]

Just change the name to the Angels and drop all cities names. Maybe Arte could have made it the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, CA, USA North America. He might have been missing some ad revenue by alienating the Manitoba Angels fans.

[Bluesteve32]

Just change the name to the Angels and drop all cities names. Maybe Arte could have made it the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, CA, USA North America. He might have been missing some ad revenue by alienating the Manitoba Angels fans.

For the most part, that is how they are announced by the PA announcer and the radio/tv guys. It is just the standings that the LA seems to make a difference.

[CaliforniaCajun]

I believe in the near future Arte Moreno will adopt the LA name into the Angel logo. In my opinion the real question is will Arte move the team into LA and alienate his fan base even more. If Arte plays that card he will damage his fan support in Orange County which even with the LA name is the main pool of Angel fans.

I think it would be a good marketing move to use an "L.A." cap and "LOS ANGELES" on the road uniforms but in light of all of the conflicts over the name change I don't expect to see it. In fact, I'd enjoy seeing the original uniforms, but I think the team has come up with a winner in Red.

Gene Autry made a mistake renaming the Los Angeles Angels the California Angels. He was a beloved owner but I don't think he was a good one. Had he kept the name the same they could have operated out of Anaheim with the LA name. "California Angels" is too ambigious to really respresent anybody in particular, and "Anaheim Angels" perpetuates the misconception that it is primarily an Orange County team. Since Autry didn't market the whole L.A. area, that misconception grew and OC people seem to think it's primarily theirs. Angel territory as designated by Major League Baseball never changed from the time the club operated out of Wrigley Field until now. It's the same as the Dodgers have. All major sports franchises represent a region, not a city. The OC people don't like this, but "Los Angeles" is the most accurate depiction available to denote the region the Angels represent. That suggests to 3-4 times as many fans that the team represents them, which in reality it always has. "Los Angeles" Angels is much bigger in size and scope than "Anaheim" Angels.

No court case is going to solve anything. The loser will be embittered. The only way to have a working relationship is for a settlement where both sides agree on something. The team will ultimately be the Los Angeles Angels or it will leave. Moreno will operate out of Anaheim if he possibly can for convenience reasons, because if he moves he will uproot a fan base that has been intact since 1966. If, say, they move to Long Beach, some season ticket holders will drop their tickets because of traffic hassles or because an evening at a new ballpark will probably be more expensive. No one wants to go through those headaches if they can be avoided. Moreno can exploit the entire L.A. market where he is. But if the City of Anaheim remains an obstacle to what he is trying to do, which is to make the club profitable so he can establish unprecedented long-term success, he will have no choice but to move.

To date, this franchise still hasn't had more than two seasons in a row over .500. 2004-2005 are the first years it ever won back to back anything. I can really understand Moreno's insistence that the City "play ball" with him if they expect better results than in the 20th Century. And if they want to remain only one of 30 cities to host an MLB team.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that "Los Angeles" means "The Angels." It's really only in that context that the Angel nickname makes sense.

[Gjm130]

Just call them the California Angels and get over with it!!

[Bluesteve32]

Just call them the California Angels and get over with it!!

That will not happen. First of all it would not comply with the lease agreement and the city would still take the club to court.

Secondly, that would not fit into Arte's vision for the club. He wants to market the Angels and the "A" logo. See no major changes in uniforms, colors, or logos, even after the name thing is settled.

[Clash City Rocker]

Also Anaheim may end up getting the lease null and void in the court case which could make the Angels "free agents."

Wow.....this is news to me. I didnt know this was an option.

[Bluesteve32]

Wow.....this is news to me. I didnt know this was an option.

Very unlikely scenario. I don't see the city pulling off that caper, unless they want the Angels out of there for their "Platinum Triangle Project" that Anaheim is planning for that area which was one orange groves and an alfalfa field.

[Bluesteve32]

Here is another shot of the Big A. No 57 Freeway in the background!

[Chisox73]

I loved that old Big 'A' scoreboard.

[Bluesteve32]

I loved that old Big 'A' scoreboard.

So did I!

Here is its fate:

[Guerrero Mad Man 2715]

I must say, it's better than being scrap.

[Jake83]

Put it in center field and get rid of the rock formation

[Bluesteve32]

They can't move it, from what I understand. It survived one move.

[mfangels]

It ain't broke, so no need to fix it.

When the team was the Los Angeles Angels and played in L.A. their logo meant "Los Angeles." But whenever they used just A's in the logos they have always meant "Angels" not Anaheim. So, whether or not Arte loses his court fight with the city it STILL means "Angels."

First we had the "LA" while in Los Angeles.
Then the entwined "CA."
Then the lower case "a."
Then the capital "A" with the yellow halo.
Then the flying "A" from Disney.
Currently we have the newer redesigned (also, by Disney) red "A'" with the silver halo. (This is the best one. We should stick with this one.)

Look at the Yankees' "NY" or the Dodgers' "LA." [/COLOR]They are classics, and never change. Why can't we stick with one logo? Nothing wrong with the current "A." It still reminds me of the 2002 World Series Champions, and I'm not ready to let that go yet.
The crossed LA logo is an original PCL LA Angels Logo, Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley purchased the Pacific Coast League's Los Angeles Angels in early 1957 and also bought the rights for the logo, the original dodgers logo is a "B" for Brooklyn where they belong.

Angels Baseball Born in South Central Los Angeles Raised in Anaheim, Always California since day One!

[alltime#1pilotsfan]

The Angels should put their city name on their road jerseys. Whether that would be "Los Angeles" or "Anaheim" is up for debate, I guess.

[Trickyhop]

That's silly. "The greater L.A. area"--sounds like something made up by Cal Worthington to sell more cars.

And his dooog, spot!

[Trickyhop]

Wow.....this is news to me. I didnt know this was an option.


There's always a way out of a lease...which sucks. Look at our Seattle (ex) Sonics.

[RockyC]

I wish they went back and renamed themselves the California Angels again.
It is nice and simple. Enough of this LA Angels of Anaheim/Orange County/Disneyland stuff.