Alltime NY Giants Team

[Steffo]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jun-16-02 AT 06:23 PM (EDT)]Pick your alltime NY Giants team.

The Dodgers Fan

[donzblock]

1B Joe Orengo
2B Bill Rigney
3B Dick Bartell
SS Billy Jurges
RF Ross Youngs
LF Clint Hartung
CF Johnny Rucker (the Crabapple Comet)
C Bill Sarni
P Johnnie (Hans) Wittig

[VELCROHIDE]

My all-time NYG team:
1B: Don Mueller
2B: Bill Rigney
SS: Whitey Lockman
3B: Hank Thompson
C: Wes Westrum
LF: Bobby Thomson
CF: Willie Mays
RF: Monte Irvin
RHP: Sal Maglie/Larry Jansen
LHP: Carl Hubbell

[shlevine42]

No all-time Giants team would be complete without these all-stars:

1B: Phil Weintraub
2B: Buddy Blattner
3B: Nap Reyes
SS: Buddy Kerr
OF: Danny Gardella
OF: Leon Treadway
OF: Steve Filipowicz
C: Clyde Klutz
RHP: Harry Feldman
LHP: Adrian Zabala

[donzblock]

Speaking of Clyde Klutz, where the hell is the Boston Braves' site?

[donzblock]

Do you mean Luis Red Treadway?

[shlevine42]

I mean Thadford Leon (Red) Treadway, who played a bit for the '44 and '45 Giants, patrolling the outfield with Ott, Rucker, Gardella, etc.

No record of any "Luis" Treadway.

[donzblock]

My baseball encyclopedia lists him as Luis Red Treadway; it lists no Thadford Leon. Since this gentleman is a key member of your "alltime NY Giants team" and one of the cornerstones of the once proud New York Giants' baseball tradition, it behooves us to get it right. Perhaps the versatile Steffo, who is moderating so much, can lend us a bit of moderator's expertise and tell us which Treadway we are talking about.

[donzblock]

Luis Francisco Treadway ("Red"), born April 28, 1920 in Athalone, NC. He played for the Giants in 1944 and 1945 and compiled the glowing stats that earned him a place on the "alltime NY Giants Team."

[shlevine42]

baseball-reference.com lists THADFORD LEON TREADWAY, born April 28, 1920 in Athlone, NC, and shows that he played in a grand total of 138 games for the Giants in '44 and '45.

I think our two Treadways are one and the same. Further, I think it unlikely that someone born in Athlone, NC with the last name "Treadway" would be christened with the obvious Hispanic name of "Luis Francisco."

I'll go with Thadford Leon...unless Steffo (or Giant) can find evidence to the contrary.

[Steffo]

Thadford Leon Treadway is the only one I can find resources including Baseball-reference and the one and only baseball-almanac.
You have to trust Sean.


The Dodgers Fan

[donzblock]

I trust Steve and, of course, the formidable Steffo, but who the hell is Sean?

[Kroxquo]

Sean is the all-seeing, all-knowing, over-worked, under-appreciated guy who is the webmaster of Baseball Almanac who we all owe a debt of thanks for providing us this opportunity for exchanging our views and providing us with a fabulous reference site. Thank-you Sean.

[donzblock]

And would Sean characterize your appearance here as an "invasion"?

[GIANT]

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jul-01-02 AT 03:51 PM (EDT)]All Time New York Giants Team:

Catcher - Gus Mancuso
First Base- Bill Terry
Second Base - Frankie Frisch
Shortstop - Travis Jackson
Third Base- Dick Bartell
Left Field- Ross Youngs
Centerfield - Willie Mays
Right Field - Mel Ott
LHP - Carl Hubbell
RHP- Sal Maglie

I chose Maglie but Christy Matherson or "Iron Man" McGinnity would certain qualify as the righted handed pitchers. Rube Marquard or "Prince" Hal Schmaucher would be an excellent choices as the lefthanded pitchers as well.

[donzblock]

No pitchers?

[bly11]

GIANT, you'll have to forgive Don. If you've read any of his posts, you'll understand that he's gone blind. :D I saw your pitchers just fine ...

C - Buck Ewing
1B - Bill Terry
2B - Frankie Frisch
SS - George S. Davis
3B - Mel Ott
LF - George Burns
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Monte Irvin
SP - Christy Mathewson, Carl Hubbell, Tim Keefe, Joe McGinnity
RP - Doc Crandall

[The Commissioner]

Mel Ott at third base, bly? That's the coward's way out!!! Put Linstrom in there and be forced to leave off an outfielder I say!...only don't ask me which one. I'm too much of a coward to choose.

[bly11]

Enough moxie to call me a coward, but not enough to overcome your own cowardice? Not a good sign ... ;-)

[cofe2]

I know Willie Mays spend most of his career as a SF Giant but he was still the best centerfielder that the NY giants ever had so he should definitely be on this list.

[The Commissioner]

It's also not a good sign that I misspelled Lindsrtom's name either. Okay, well I guess you successfully goaded me into it. Here would be my reluctant picks for the All-Time NY Giants team:

C-Roger Connor
1B-Bill Terry
2B-Frankie Frisch
SS-George Davis
3B-Freddie Lindstrom
OF-Mel Ott
OF-Willie Mays
OF-Ross Youngs
P-Christy Mathewson
P-Carl Hubbell
P-Amos Rusie
P-Tim Keefe
RP-Joe McGinnity (Yeah, he was primarily a starter, but since he retroactively led the league three times in saves I'm not considering it too much of a stretch!)
MGR-John McGraw

[The Commissioner]

It's an even worse sign that I managed to spell it wrong two posts in a row!!! :(

[bly11]

Look down at the keys if it helps. ;-)

[laurade]

Just to clarify things for y'all about the "Treadway" confusion.

It is "Thadford Leon Treadway," born in Athalone, NC who played in the outfield with Mel Ott and Joe Medwig. I know 'cause he's my dad!!

Sorry to say that he passed away several years ago - in the hospital following a heart attack - watching a Braves baseball game. As a matter of fact, my mother and I were holding his hands and we thought he'd gone to sleep. I asked Mother who was pitching that night, and Daddy roused up and said, "Smoltz." Then he left us and went on to the game.

He played 'til I was fifteen years old (retired in 1960). We loved his time with the game and he did, too. Thank y'all for remembering him.

Best regards,
Laura Treadway de Martino

[theAmazingMet]

I almost vomited coffee everywhere looking at the first few teams with no Mel Ott. Finally some people added posts with some sense! Mel Ott is Mr Giant. To leave him off any Giants greats teams is pure lunacy!

[soberdennis]

The Giants of New York are the only team to boast HOFers at all positions (not counting the Yanks if you include Frank Baker.)
c-Roger Bresnahan
1b-Bill Terry or George Kelly
2b-Frank Frisch-best remembered as a Card, but had some great years in New York
ss-Travis Jackson
3b- Freddie Lindstrom
of-Mel Ott
of-Willie Mays
of-Ross Youngs
RHP-Christy Mathewson
LHP-Carl Hubbell

And of course the manager has to be the incomparable Little Napoleon, John McGraw.
This came from the Book of Baseball Lists. I actually don't remember which HOF 1bman they listed. But either one would do.

[Brownie31]

The Giants of New York are the only team to boast HOFers at all positions (not counting the Yanks if you include Frank Baker.)
c-Roger Bresnahan
1b-Bill Terry or George Kelly
2b-Frank Frisch-best remembered as a Card, but had some great years in New York
ss-Travis Jackson
3b- Freddie Lindstrom
of-Mel Ott
of-Willie Mays
of-Ross Youngs
RHP-Christy Mathewson
LHP-Carl Hubbell

And of course the manager has to be the incomparable Little Napoleon, John McGraw.
This came from the Book of Baseball Lists. I actually don't remember which HOF 1bman they listed. But either one would do.

soberdennis:

Outstanding fact that should be better known in the
baseball world. Those men also had the honor of
playing baseball's most unique park: The Polo Grounds.

The Gem of 8th & 157th!

Brownie31

[Giantfanforever]

"Red" Treadway played minor league ball in my hometown of Portsmouth, Va. He was a member of a fence-busting outfield that consisted of Treadway, Ken Guettler, and Bob Broome. Those "Cubs" were the 1950 Piedmont League (Class B) champions and were managed by another great ex-Giant, Frank "Skeeter" Scalzi.

[SF Kid]

I notice a lot of the picks exclude Mel Ott. Intersting.

[jiggers]

Now that is my kind of all-time team! I would add a couple of relief pitchers:
Ken Trinkle RH and Hooks Iott LH

[jiggers]

No all-time Giants team would be complete without these all-stars:

1B: Phil Weintraub
2B: Buddy Blattner
3B: Nap Reyes
SS: Buddy Kerr
OF: Danny Gardella
OF: Leon Treadway
OF: Steve Filipowicz
C: Clyde Klutz
RHP: Harry Feldman
LHP: Adrian Zabala

Now that is my kind of all-stars - I would like to add a couple of relief pitchers
Ken Trinkle and Hooks Iott

[pgsuperfan]

I remember Buddy Blattner as sports announcer, I think on the old NBC game of the week way back in the day

[jiggers]

In feb. 1992 a sent a autograph request to Leon Treadway and he responded with the attached autographed caricature



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[Honus Wagner Rules]

C-Buck Ewing
1B- Bill Terry
2B- Larry Doyle
3B- Freddie Linstrom
SS- George Davis
OF-Monte Irvin
OF- Willie Mays
OF-Mel Ott
SP-Christy Mattewson
SP-Carl Hubbell
SP-Rube Marquard
SP-Fat Freddie Fitzsimmons