new member. question about tobacco cards

[bseballcardcollectr]

How can you tell if tobacco cards are real or not. I found one of Frank Chance's yellow card on ebay a few minutes ago. Tried to find info on them, and found you. Can you please let me know what to look for? Found price list for this card at a card company that grades them, and it was worth like over $2000.00 in mint. This is not a mint card, but sounds pretty nice. Cant afford that kind of price anyway. Thanks alot and Hope to become a regular on here.

[runningshoes]

Is the card graded?

Can you give me a complete description or a link to the card?

http://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid=101

[RuthMayBond]

Get clear pictures of both sides. I thought reprint cards HAD to say reprint or the like somewhere.

[runningshoes]

Get clear pictures of both sides. I thought reprint cards HAD to say reprint or the like somewhere.

Did you see my Ty Cobb post in your name game thread?

[RuthMayBond]

Did you see my Ty Cobb post in your name game thread?Yeah, but I didn't think Ty thanked anybody :laugh :laugh

[Captain Cold Nose]

Get clear pictures of both sides. I thought reprint cards HAD to say reprint or the like somewhere.
I have a few reprint cards printed in the seventies that don't. I can't remember off hand, but not only tobacco but some Goudeys, as well.

If it's e-Bay, it's always smart to check the seller's feedback. A photo alone isn't going to help greatly with verification. But a trustworthy seller has earned that trust.

[bseballcardcollectr]

The Ebay item number for the auction im looking at is 5243214277 Just copy and paste it into the search field. It looks like the guy was trying to be had at a card shop. Let me know what you find out about it.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The card looks very clean for being practically a century old. Corners appear good, although it really is very ahrd to tell with the scan. Outside toe the noted smudge or two on the back, it is a white back, wth white border for those keeping score at home. It may be 60/40, or better.
Unfortunately, the scan makes it near impossible to read the smaller print, so there is no way to really tell if it has text denoting it is a reprint or not.

[bseballcardcollectr]

Emailed the guy and he sent some much better pics. He said he had alot of emails about the bad quality. Can someone look at the new pics and let me know what they think? He will email if asked for them.

[runningshoes]

Front of the card...obviously.

I've never seen one with that perforated edge, like it was attched to another card. Anyone know what that is? And it looks like someone took scissors to the left edge of the card.

[runningshoes]

And the back...

I think someone cut the edge, but that's just me.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I didn't notice the perforated edge in the original scan. I remember a few years ago, there was a set which did include reprinted tobacco cards in panels of three. This might be from that set.
I'm fairly certain, either way, this is a reprinted card.

[runningshoes]

I Concure!!!!! :D

[west coast orange and black]

i'm with ccn and runningshoes that this is a reprint.

the right edge is definately a perforated edge.

i have reprints of tobacco cards that were printed in 6x4-player blocks -- 24 players to a sheet with perforated edges.
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go one step past just looking at a seller's feedback positive score: look at what the seller has been selling. many times that will be an indication that the item that you are interested in is outside the seller's usual type of goods.

[wamby]

I remember a book from the 70s called Classic Baseball Cards that had cards with perforated edges that you could punch out. My guess is that this card is from that book.

[bseballcardcollectr]

Question. The two pictures that you posted. The first one looks like it is perforated on the right side I see that, but on the back picture the left side does not appear perforated. I asked the guy and he said that it was not. he said he would try to scan again. I am just wondering how if it is perforated then why does the back not appear to be?

[runningshoes]

^^^^ If you were to take the card, hold it front of you and turn it over, the type on the back would be upside down. If I had to take an educated guess, I'd say it made printing easier and more affordable.

Anyone want to elborate or correct me?

[bseballcardcollectr]

Sorry. what I am saying, is that the same side of the card does not appear to be perforated in the back view of the card like it does in the front view.

The photo of the back side of the card does not look perforated at all.

[runningshoes]

Both pictures show perforation. Take a close look at the top of the second picture.

[bseballcardcollectr]

I cant tell. What about the sides?

[runningshoes]

I can't even see one side of the second picture, and when something is perforated it is done so from the top, leaving the bottom partially intact. And with that, I'm finished with this card.

[bseballcardcollectr]

And the back...

I think someone cut the edge, but that's just me.
Pic of the cards back. next to the staple is not showing perforation
in the pic of the front next to the staple shows perforation. I still dont think you are looking at where I am talking about.

[bseballcardcollectr]

If it is a reprint is there any value to it?

[runningshoes]

The perforation can't be seen from the back of the card except for one point just above the staple, which is not unusual. If you look, you can see that part of the perforation from the back. I believe it is the same card because although I can't see the entire perforation, I can see where it was cut at the near the bottom edge..on both sides.

I've seen some reprints worth a few bucks. I personally wouldn't buy this card.

[bseballcardcollectr]

Well I tried to win the card, but someone beat me on it. It went for $80 something dollars at the last minute. Maybe next time.

[RuthMayBond]

Well I tried to win the card, but someone beat me on it. It went for $80 something dollars at the last minute. Maybe next time.Considering it sure appears to be a reprint, consider yourself lucky

[19th Century Indiana Jones]

Well I tried to win the card, but someone beat me on it. It went for $80 something dollars at the last minute. Maybe next time.
You'd better educate yourself more before going into such a purchase. If you want a reprint, that's fine, but don't overpay since reprints are available in mint condition for just a couple of dollars. If you are going for the real McCoy, it had better be already slabbed by a reputable grading service like PSA, GAI or SGC. Anything else is an absolute risk.

[runningshoes]

It's like he didn't hear a word we said....noted for next time.

[Rocket21fan]

That is NOT an authentic 1909 t206 card, it is NO DOUBT a reprint. Those cards have been reprinted since the early 1900's... WWWWAAYYYYY back before the internet and video games, kids played games called board games or table top games, that is most likely from one of those games. From the scan it looks like an "older" reprint, and if the person was selling it as authentic, you're lucky you didn't buy!

[egautographs]

That is NOT an authentic 1909 t206 card, it is NO DOUBT a reprint. Those cards have been reprinted since the early 1900's... WWWWAAYYYYY back before the internet and video games, kids played games called board games or table top games, that is most likely from one of those games. From the scan it looks like an "older" reprint, and if the person was selling it as authentic, you're lucky you didn't buy!

Dude, this thread is 4 months old. It's been done and settled with

[ed hardiman]

wait a minute-there was a time when baseball tobacco cards weren't reprints?

[flyingdutchdude]

To answer the questions, the card is a reprint and one of the easiest ones to spot. All reprints are worthless. eBay is full of reprints and fakes being sold as authentic. There are many inexperienced sellers (and bidders) so don't go by what seller says or how many bids it has. Newbees should only buy cards that are graded by the major companies SGC, PSA etc.. If your a newbee you should first buy a good card catalog like the 2006 SCD Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards (Bob Lemke). And then make the first purchases low grade common players so you can get a look at what an authetic (T206) card looks like. There are many newbees that jump right in and buy one of the big name big $$ cards (there are 4 different Cobbs, 3 Mathewsons, 2 Johnsons, etc.) and get burned buying a doctored reprint. Also to answer some questions, there are many reprints that dont say "reprint" on them. There are dozens of different types of reprints and all are worthless. You should be able to find a nice low to mid grade T206 Frank Chance (or many other similar HOFers) for about $50-$100. A Frank Chance that is worth $2000 is going to be perfect and rarely seen (PSA-8). Most Chance yellow portraits sell for $50-$300 (BTW there are 3 different Chance cards in the set). Good luck and happy collecting. Hans

[19th Century Indiana Jones]

To answer the questions, the card is a reprint and one of the easiest ones to spot. All reprints are worthless. eBay is full of reprints and fakes being sold as authentic. There are many inexperienced sellers (and bidders) so don't go by what seller says or how many bids it has. Newbees should only buy cards that are graded by the major companies SGC, PSA etc.. If your a newbee you should first buy a good card catalog like the 2006 SCD Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards (Bob Lemke). And then make the first purchases low grade common players so you can get a look at what an authetic (T206) card looks like. There are many newbees that jump right in and buy one of the big name big $$ cards (there are 4 different Cobbs, 3 Mathewsons, 2 Johnsons, etc.) and get burned buying a doctored reprint. Also to answer some questions, there are many reprints that dont say "reprint" on them. There are dozens of different types of reprints and all are worthless. You should be able to find a nice low to mid grade T206 Frank Chance (or many other similar HOFers) for about $50-$100. A Frank Chance that is worth $2000 is going to be perfect and rarely seen (PSA-8). Most Chance yellow portraits sell for $50-$300 (BTW there are 3 different Chance cards in the set). Good luck and happy collecting. Hans
Yes, I was able to find a T206 Tinker card in poor (SGC 10) condition for under $120. It was graded as poor because 25% of the back was scraped off, but the fron was gorgeous.

[flyingdutchdude]

Some good finds are on eBay from time to time. Check out this "Orange Background" print error card of HOFer Joe Tinker (Portrait). I just picked it up for $200. The Orange error is very scarce, 98% are red like the other card pictured. Frank

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[19th Century Indiana Jones]

Some good finds are on eBay from time to time. Check out this "Orange Background" print error card of HOFer Joe Tinker (Portrait). I just picked it up for $200. The Orange error is very scarce, 98% are red like the other card pictured. Frank

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NICE BUY!!!

[kjb23]

lol at joe tinker's lipstick