Name the Oriole

[Iron Jaw]

This man was not successful with the pictured uniform, but gained some major notoriety as an Oriole.

[J W]

I'm thinking this is Diamond Jim...

[Iron Jaw]

And you are correct. Diamond Jim Gentile.

Now.....who is this young (at the time) Oriole? Long ago, he had a couple of excellent seasons on the mound before his arm went south.

[buckeyeangler]

Chuck Estrada;1/4th of the famous"Kiddie Korps''-with Steve Barber, Jack Fischer, and Milt Pappas;all but Milt blew their arms out early, but still they somehow contended for years with only one truly productive hitter in the lineup- Jim Gentile,still the O's premier first-sacker ever to those of us who saw and loved them all.You can always tell those that opt for Palmiero,Murray,or even Boog-they never saw Jim.
His career could make an interesting study or show;never made the majors till he was 27,and put the Orioles on his back for four years until, in arguably the worst trade in Oriole history,he was traded to KC for Norm Siebern.The trade cost the Orioles a pennant, though they soon recovered.
A crushed Gentile never did...

[Iron Jaw]

Chuck Estrada is correct. That 1960 staff of youngsters placed the Orioles in the pennant race for the first time since they were playing in St. Louis in the mid 40's. Estrada, Pappas, Barber, Fisher, along with oldsters Hal "Skinny" Brown and Hoyt Wilhelm started the team on it's way to winning more games than any franchise from 1960-85. After that season, the O's were usually in the race, except for a couple of years (1962,1967) where they were hammered with injuries. Chuck won 18 games that year to tie for the AL lead. He won 15 the next, then had a 9-17 record, the season his arm troubles began.

Here is another favorite Oriole hurler:

[Iron Jaw]

Nobody's guessed this guy yet?

He once put on the most dazzling display of relief work in the history of the World Series.

[64Cards]

Moe Drabowsky? I do know he came in in either game 1 or 2 of the 66 WS, struck out 11 or something. Also gave up Musial's 3,000th hit at Wrigley, 1958.

[Iron Jaw]

Moe Drabowsky is correct. In game one of the 1966 World Series he relieved Dave McNally. Moe tossed 6 2/3 scoreless innings, striking out 11 Dodgers. He also struck out six Dodgers in a row at one point.

Moe began his career primarily as a starter, but embarked on a new career as a primary reliever when he came to Baltimore. He was also an original KC Royal, and had a heck of a year for them in their maiden season.

[Iron Jaw]

Who is this former Oriole outfielder?

[64Cards]

Jackie Brandt, I believe. I had that bb card.

[buckeyeangler]

...one of the great underachievers of all-time-

[Iron Jaw]

Jackie Brandt it is. Jackie wasn't the most talented player on the field during his Baltimore days, but he always gave 100 percent. And he didn't do too bad in the field or at the plate.

The next photo is of a former Baltimore catcher. He didn't have much of a career, but he was a fairly regular player during his Oriole days - he once hit 19 homeruns for the O's.

[Aa3rt]

The next photo is of a former Baltimore catcher. He didn't have much of a career, but he was a fairly regular player during his Oriole days - he once hit 19 homeruns for the O's.

John Orsino? He could also fill in at 1st base, played a grand total of 15 games for the Senators in his last two seasons (1966 & 1967).

[Iron Jaw]

Johnny Orsino it is. He had a solid season at the plate for the O's in 1963, but was quite sub-par afterwards. He was part of a three-way platoon the O's used at catcher for a couple of years - Orsino, Dick Brown and Charlie Lau.

The next player had a solid rookie season for the O's, replacing an injured player in the lineup. After his rookie season, he was barely able to survive as a major leaguer.

[buckeyeangler]

hmmmm...Sam Bowen? :lookitup

[Iron Jaw]

Put an "S" on the end of the name and you got it.

Sam Bowens was a top flight rookie for Baltimore in 1964. When Russ Snyder went down with injuries, Sam came through. He hit .263 with 22 homeruns and 71 RBI's. But for the remainder of his career, Sam never hit above .210. He was relegated to part time duties. The sophomore jinx stayed with Sam.

Who is this former Oriole, who was once involved in a major trade that greatly enhanced the O's?

[DODGER DEB]

Chuck Estrada;1/4th of the famous"Kiddie Korps''-with Steve Barber, Jack Fischer, and Milt Pappas;all but Milt blew their arms out early, but still they somehow contended for years with only one truly productive hitter in the lineup- Jim Gentile,still the O's premier first-sacker ever to those of us who saw and loved them all.You can always tell those that opt for Palmiero,Murray,or even Boog-they never saw Jim.
His career could make an interesting study or show;never made the majors till he was 27,and put the Orioles on his back for four years until, in arguably the worst trade in Oriole history,he was traded to KC for Norm Siebern.The trade cost the Orioles a pennant, though they soon recovered.
A crushed Gentile never did...


There was one more pitcher that was part of Paul Richards' "Kiddie Korps". In addition to Chuck, Milt, Jack, and Steve, there was Jerry Walker.

c.

[buckeyeangler]

DD,
thanks for the reminder; a sore-armed Walker actually bounced around the majors for some years... :o

[DODGER DEB]

DD,
thanks for the reminder; a sore-armed Walker actually bounced around the majors for some years... :o

You are quite welcome, buckeyeangler.

Jerry was a protege' of pitching coach, Harry Breechen. They both came from the same town in OK. But, it was manager Paul Richards who insisted that all of these pitchers be taught to throw a certain way, a kind of side-arm delivery (which Breechen did not agree with), which ultimately caused damage to all of their arms, to one degree or another. It cut short several of their careers.

c.

[Iron Jaw]

Now, back to the last photo, the guy in the picture once won a major American League award.

[Aa3rt]

Now, back to the last photo, the guy in the picture once won a major American League award.

The guy in the photo (A pose I'd never seen before, which threw me off.) is Brooklyn-born Curt Blefary. At age 21, in 1965, he hit 22 home runs, accumulated 70 RBI's and was awarded the "Rookie of the Year". Unfortunately, Curt's fielding left a little to be desired. He played OF, C, 1B, 2B, 3B and blamed his offensive decline on being shuffled between different field positions. He did catch a no-hitter in 1968 (Tom Phoebus was the pitcher.) but was traded to the Astros in 1969, bringing Mike Cuellar to the O's. Curt's career ended after the 1972 season, having played for Baltimore, New York and Oakland in the AL and Houston and San Diego in the NL.

[Iron Jaw]

Blefary is correct.

Here's another former Oriole who achieved some status early in his career - and momentary status for a particular play late in his career.

[Aa3rt]

Here's another former Oriole who achieved some status early in his career - and momentary status for a particular play late in his career.

Ron Hansen, who came to the major leagues with the 1958 Orioles. He only made 12 appearances in 1958 but became a regular in 1960. The "momentary status" came on July 30, 1968 when he made an unassisted triple play against the Cleveland Indians while playing for the Washington Senators in a 10-1 loss to the Indians. Three days later Ron found himself traded back to the White Sox, where he'd played the previous five seasons. He finished his career in 1972 after spending short stints with the Yankees and Royals.

[Iron Jaw]

And his early success was of course, winning the American League Rookie of the Year Award in 1960.

Prior to the 1963 season, Ron was traded to the White Sox along with Pete Ward, Dave Nicholson and Hoyt Wilhelm for Luis Aparicio and Al Smith. Hansen, Ward, and even Nicholson became instant starters for the ChiSox (Pete had a couple of great years), while Wilhelm became the ace of the Chicago bullpen. Aparicio maintained his position as a terrific SS and spunky leadoff man with the Orioles, but Al Smith, once an excellent player, was over the hill.

Who's this former Oriole (a little older, when he was playing with the Braves)?

[buckeyeangler]

One-time highly-regarded bonus baby Billy O'Dell?

p.s.it might have been mentioned that the forever back-plagued Ron Hansen's other claim to fame was somehow beating out teammate Gentile for the 1960 Rookie-of-the-Year award;an honor that,in retrospect, seems curious...

[DODGER DEB]

Didn't Billy "Digger" O'Dell quit baseball in September 1967, before the end of the season, because he was ill?

c.

[Aa3rt]

Didn't Billy "Digger" O'Dell quit baseball in September 1967, before the end of the season, because he was ill?

c.

DODGER DEB, I couldn't find any on-line reference of it, but did find that his last game was Sept. 12, 1967. The Pittsburgh Pirates released him the following Oct. 3rd. He played for Baltimore, San Francisco, the Braves in both Milwaukee and Atlanta and finished his career in Pittsburgh.

[Iron Jaw]

Billy sure aged quickly.


Here's another Oriole favorite of mine:

[Iron Jaw]

The above player was primarily a superb relief pitcher in Baltimore (with the exception of his first season as an Oriole). But he was a starter with other clubs.

[buckeyeangler]

How about Pete Richert,one-time Dodger phenom who blossomed with Baltimore(sound familiar?).
I recall vividly being at an Indians-Orioles game in the mid-60s at old Municipal Stadium with Sam McDowell versus a young Wally Bunker.I distinctly remember the buzz around the stadium when Richert came on in a memorable relief stint, "this guy throws harder than Sam," went the hushed whispers...

My memory is of Pete developing arm trouble prior to his consequent banishment to Washington; the sad road to oblivion in those days.

[Iron Jaw]

It is Pete Richert. Of course, he was banished to the Senators along with big Frank Howard (the Dodgers only real power hitter), Ken McMullen, and Dick Nen - so the Dodgers could get ace starter Claude Osteen. Richert became a decent starter for the Senators. He was traded to Baltimore in 1967, and after the 1967 season he became one of the more reliable Oriole relief pitchers.

Here's another former Oriole:

[DODGER DEB]

It is Pete Richert. Of course, he was banished to the Senators along with big Frank Howard (the Dodgers only real power hitter), Ken McMullen, and Dick Nen - so the Dodgers could get ace starter Claude Osteen. Richert became a decent starter for the Redskins. He was traded to Baltimore in 1967, and after the 1967 season he became one of the more reliable Oriole relief pitchers.

Here's another former Oriole:


GUS TRIANDOS.....who caught Hoyt Wilhem's 1-0 no-hitter 47 years ago today, September 20, 1958, at Memorial Stadium. Gus hit a HR for the only run of the game. I was at this game. It was a cold, rainy, dreary day, but Hoyt was brilliant!

c.

[Iron Jaw]

Wow.....I can't believe I said "Richert became a decent starter for the Redskins." Make that.....Senators. Edited.


Gus Triandos is the correct answer.

Who's this former Oriole who was part of a very successful platoon:

[J W]

I'm thinking Gary Roenicke but may be wrong on that.

[Iron Jaw]

Yes, it is Gary Roenicke - half of that excellent platoon combination (with John Lowenstein).

Who is this former Oriole:

[Aa3rt]

Current Washington Nationals first-base coach Don Buford?

[Iron Jaw]

It is Don Buford. One of my favorites from the O's glory days - the spunky leadoff man. When Al Bumbry was a rookie some sportscaster suggested he was a Don Buford clone.

The next Oriole was a top-flight starting pitcher - but very briefly.

[J W]

Jim Hardin, who got 10 votes for the Orioles All-Century team (good for 54th place pitcher) thanks mostly to his 1968 season (18-13, 2.51).

This fella got a LOT more votes on that list but the picture's hazy; if you can recognize the delivery you got the man:

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/baltios/dmcnalos.jpg

[Iron Jaw]

Yup. It is Hardin, who's career ended rather quickly. He had that terrific 1968 season, and let's not forget, when he came up in mid-season 1967, amidst terrible arm troubles by two thirds of the Baltimore starting rotation, Jim was inserted into the rotation and did an excellent job, going 8-3 down the stretch.

Here's another former Oriole:

[runningshoes]

Is that the great hitting instructor, Charlie Lau?

[Iron Jaw]

Correct: It is Charlie Lau, who spent a few seasons with the O's as part of a trio of catchers (Brown/Orsino/Lau).


Here's another former Oriole:

[DODGER DEB]

Correct: It is Charlie Lau, who spent a few seasons with the O's as part of a trio of catchers (Brown/Orsino/Lau).


Here's another former Oriole:


Could it be WILLIE MIRANDA?

c.

[Iron Jaw]

Willie it is.

How about this one?

[buckeyeangler]

The prolific Tito Francona-Have Bat, Will Travel-who the Orioles traded just in time to see him hit .363. for the Indians,where he became a huge fan favorite in the 60s.Knocked around the majors for years later as a pinch-hitting specialist, his career finally concluding in the 70s with, I believe, Atlanta.Frightening defensive outfielder, but a much better hitter than son Terry, who wasn't bad.

[Iron Jaw]

Tito Francona it is. I remember one season, 1969, when Tito was a part-time player with the Braves and the A's, he drove in 42 runs with only 55 hits in 173 at bats.

Here's another former Oriole:

[buckeyeangler]

Not sure who it is but wasn't that 1959 set a great-looking set of cards?
p.s., by the way Iron Jaw, how'd you manage to lift the autograph off?! :noidea

[Iron Jaw]

There is a "smudge" feature on the microsoft photo editor.

[buckeyeangler]

Ok, how about the much-traveled Billy Gardner;I think he was with the tribe about long enough to get that Topps picture taken.

[Iron Jaw]

Not Billy Gardner.

Though a close namesake, and both played for the Orioles in the same era.

[J W]

...well if it ain't Billy "Gardner" then it's gotta be Gene "Woodling" :D . Who was also much traveled btw--but was of course most closely associated with the Yankees.

(EDIT) oops... he's listed as an infielder! Looks like Woodling though.

Don't think it's Dick "Williams" either... erg, I'm stumped.

Anyone have an answer for my guy, btw?

[Gooch]

I think that's Billy Hunter, who later went on to coach the O's and manage the Texas Rangers.

[Iron Jaw]

It is Billy Hunter.

Here's another former Oriole from a different time period:

[runningshoes]

Benny Ayala

First at bat ever in the bigs was a home run.

[Iron Jaw]

Too quick - Benny Ayala is correct.

This one might take a bit more research.

[runningshoes]

Nah.

That's Bill Dillman.

I know alot about former Expos.

[Iron Jaw]

Dillman was thrust into the Oriole rotation in 1967 amid injuries to the staff. His budding romance didn't last long though.



How about this Oriole?

[DODGER DEB]

Dillman was thrust into the Oriole rotation in 1967 amid injuries to the staff. His budding romance didn't last long though.



How about this Oriole?

Sure looks like BOB BOYD!

c.

[runningshoes]

This looks like Bob Boyd, as well.

Oops..wrong sport. :laugh

[Iron Jaw]

This looks like Bob Boyd, as well.

Oops..wrong sport. :laugh

Well, same city anyway. They were brothers of sorts. But the soul brother version is the Bob Boyd we're looking for.

Who is this former Oriole?

[DODGER DEB]

Well, same city anyway. They were brothers of sorts. But the soul brother version is the Bob Boyd we're looking for.

Who is this former Oriole?


THAT, I know for sure, is OUR DICK WILLIAMS!

c.

[Iron Jaw]

It is Dick Williams. Of course, most of us never think of him as a youngster, remembering him managing the BoSox, then the A's with the big mustache.


Who was this former Oriole?

[runningshoes]

It is Dick Williams. Of course, most of us never think of him as a youngster, remembering him managing the BoSox, then the A's with the big mustache.

He managed the Expos as well...did he have the mustache then?

[DODGER DEB]

It is Dick Williams. Of course, most of us never think of him as a youngster, remembering him managing the BoSox, then the A's with the big mustache.


Who was this former Oriole?

Perhaps, WALT DROPO!

c.

[Iron Jaw]

He managed the Expos as well...did he have the mustache then?

I really don't recall if he did or not. Of course, when he was the A's manager they had a thing where every player on the team grew a mustache - Rollie Fingers had the best one of course, and a couple of the younger guys could only muster a little peach fuzz.

[Iron Jaw]

Perhaps, WALT DROPO!

c.

Big Walt is correct. Dropo played his last 2 3/4 seasons as an Oriole, as a part-time player.

Let's try another Oriole:

[runningshoes]

Woodie Held

He was notorious for his tantrums after striking out. And he struck out a lot.

[DODGER DEB]

I really don't recall if he did or not. Of course, when he was the A's manager they had a thing where every player on the team grew a mustache - Rollie Fingers had the best one of course, and a couple of the younger guys could only muster a little peach fuzz.

The DICK WILLIAMS WE had in Brooklyn, as a player, was very different that the Manager he became. He was quite a character...and he never had a mustache in Brooklyn. If memory serves me right, he first grew it as the A's Manager.

c.

[Iron Jaw]

Name the Oriole

[DODGER DEB]

Name the Oriole


Could it be DANDY ANDY ETCHEBARREN?

c.

[Iron Jaw]

No - not Andy. I don't recall Etchebarren havin THAT wild of hair. But the hairstyle should accurately date the player.

[Mr. Met]

That's Ross Grimsley (sp?)

[Steve Jeltz]

Wayne Garland?

[Iron Jaw]

It is Ross Grimsley sporting the afro style.


Next Oriole:

[buckeyeangler]

could it be Chuck Tanner stopping by for his early 60s cup of coffee?

[Iron Jaw]

Not Chuck............

[Gooch]

That's pitcher Dick Hall.

[Iron Jaw]

That is Dick Hall.

Next Oriole:

[Iron Jaw]

Baltimore had a serious problem at one particular position for a good portion of the 80's. The above photograph is one of many who tried to fill the position. The position, was one of Baltimore's great strengths for many years prior to the early 80's.

[Gooch]

I assume this guy is a 3rd-baseman, but he doesn't look like Doug DeCinces.

[Iron Jaw]

It's not Doug, of course. When DeCinces, and before him Brooks Robinson manned the position, Baltimore was quite strong at the third base helm. Post DeCinces though, meant hard times at that position for the O's.

[Gooch]

Well, it's obviously not Lenn Sakata, so I'll go with the immortal Wayne Gross.

[Iron Jaw]

Naw, Wayne lasted longer than this guy.

[Iron Jaw]

You might say he has something in common with a fictional explorer.:noidea

[Aa3rt]

You might say he has something in common with a fictional explorer.:noidea

Once again, I thank you for the hint. How could we have forgotten the much hyped Glenn Gulliver? :o

[Iron Jaw]

Glenn Gulliver it is.

Here's another, not so famous, former Oriole - in his current minor league managing uniform:

[Mr. Met]

Is that Wayne Krenchicki?

[Iron Jaw]

It is Wayne - a little older, fatter, and we can assume, wiser.

[Mr. Met]

He played HS ball in my area. He played on the Ewing team that won the 1970 Babe Ruth world championship.

[Iron Jaw]

Next Oriole:

[Mr. Met]

John Lowenstein. He did not play HS ball in my area. :p

[Gooch]

I lived not too far from Baltimore in the mid-1980s and I enjoyed Lowenstein's work as a "color" man on local Oriole broadcasts. He was like an "intellectual Bob Uecker; he made fun of his mediocre career as a player. He was great. I wonder where he is now?

[Iron Jaw]

John Lowenstein was a pretty darned good pickup for the Orioles. He had a couple of tremendous seasons platooning in the OF with Gary Roenicke.


Next Oriole:

[Iron Jaw]

This guy came up with the Yankees as a top minor league prospect in 1960, and started ten games. He was bought by the Orioles, but spent most of the time in the minors. The O's tried him as a starter in 1966 when they were plagued with injuries to guys like Barber and Bunker. His only full season in the bigs was as a reliever with the Mets.

[Iron Jaw]

He was rather small for a pitcher, and had a "diminuitive" last name.

[Gooch]

I don't think Chris Short pitched for either the Orioles or
Pirates.
I have no idea who this is!

[Iron Jaw]

But you're on the right track.:D

[Steve Jeltz]

Bill Short?

[Iron Jaw]

Bill Short is correct.

Next Oriole:

[DODGER DEB]

I do believe that is DAVE MC NALLY.

c.

[Iron Jaw]

It is Dave, my favorite Oriole pitcher during his day in the sun. I'm not sure about the "B" on his hat though. Perhaps it's from one of the minor league farm clubs. Perhaps Bluefield?

[Iron Jaw]

Next former Oriole:

[buckeyeangler]

Indian-to-be Russ Snyder?Swung a pretty fair stick for a pretty long time...

[Iron Jaw]

Russ Snyder it is.


Next Oriole:

[Iron Jaw]

This guy was a manager.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Is it Johnny Oates?

[Mr. Met]

Billy Hunter?

[Gooch]

Paul Richards?

[steveox]

Hank Bauer?

[DODGER DEB]

Luman Harris?

c.

[buckeyeangler]

Battlin' Billy Hitchcock?

[Iron Jaw]

It is Billy Hitchcock.

Next Oriole:

[Gooch]

Little Looooie....
Senor Aparicio will throw out the first ball at Game 1 tomorrow night.

[Iron Jaw]

Yeah, Luis is pretty easy to spot.

A popular player everywhere he played. Next Oriole.

[steveox]

He aint No oriole.Hes a white sox. Show me in his orioles uniform.

[Gooch]

Next Oriole.

That's Dave Nicholson

[Iron Jaw]

Towering homeruns when he connected - but he connected seldom and struck out often. He set the SO standard as a regular of with the ChiSox in 1963, fanning 175 times. Of course, that's another record that has been eclipsed more than once.

Next Oriole:

[Carolina breeze]

Man I thought I was old. I'm not old, you guys are. The first player I recognized was Buford.

[Iron Jaw]

The pictured former Oriole catcher died of a brain tumor at the age of 35. His brother was also a major league ballplayer - who played very briefly for the Orioles, spending most of his career with another team.

[Mr. Met]

Dick Brown?

[Iron Jaw]

It is Dick Brown. His brother Larry was an infielder, mostly for the Indians during his career.

Next Oriole:

[Iron Jaw]

The above pictured was a fair catcher, below average hitter (except during his rookie season), who hung around the big leagues with various teams for a few years. He was an original Seattle Pilot. During a coffee break just before his official rookie year, he hit what was deemed as an important three run homerun, though he didn't display much power during his career. He spent one full season and parts of two others with the Orioles.

[steveox]

LOL,,Now what team is called the LOTS?

[runningshoes]

Larry Haney

You gonna use him in the Cardinal thread as well? ;)

[Iron Jaw]

For his two games with St. Louis in 1973? Naw.....I never double em up. CubFan might.....but Larry never played for the Cubbies.

Next Oriole.....

[Gooch]

Is that Norm Siebern?

[Iron Jaw]

That is Stormin Norman - a pic from his later days as a pinch-hitter for the "impossible dream" BoSox.

Next Oriole:

[Iron Jaw]

While of course, this is an older picture, the above was instrumental in a pennant/World Series winning season for the Orioles.

[runningshoes]

Stu Miller

[Iron Jaw]

That is Stu Miller. His early career as a starter didn't gain him fame, but he became quite the reliever with the Giants and Orioles.

Next Oriole:

[hagersbush]

A great thread,I,m 71 yrs old & I got to watch them all.
The only two I recognized was Jackie"the flake" Brandt.
Also a young Moe Dabowski,who was a great reliever &
one of the most fun orioles of all time.He was a master
practical joker.Thanks for the memories.

[Iron Jaw]

The pictured player was a heroic figure in the Mexican leagues, though he did play four major league seasons (mostly with Baltimore) and showed some power.

He has a namesake (last name only) with the current Baltimore Oriole team.

[Iron Jaw]

Too long on this one. A MAJOR hint. He has the same last name as a current Oriole player named Melvin.

[Aa3rt]

Is it Andres Mora?

[Iron Jaw]

It is Andres Mora, a Mexican League power hitter. He came to the Orioles with great expectations, but only showed a glimpse of power, and wound up back in the Mexican Leagues after a few seasons in MLB.

Next Oriole:

[Mr. Met]

The man with a face like a fist. Managed them to a World Championship in '66. Hank Bauer.

[hagersbush]

Bauer was a fine manager,I always wondered why they left him go.
That old ex Yankee could really hit too.

[Iron Jaw]

After that WS title, Hank's Orioles became injury plagued, and he had a rough season in 1967. The Orioles were not completely healthy until mid-season 1968, but by that time, Earl Weaver took the reigns and his team won 91 games by season's end. Bauer was a good manager though.

Next Oriole:

[Mr. Met]

Mike Boddicker (sp?)

[Iron Jaw]

It is Mike, who became the Oriole ace for a brief period in the 80's. He was traded to Boston during that dark season of 1988, for Brady Anderson and Curt Schilling.

Next Oriole:

[DODGER DEB]

Is that Doug DiCenses?

c.

[Iron Jaw]

It is Doug - the heir to Brooks Robinson's throne.


Next Oriole:

[steveox]

Is that Enos Cabell?

[Iron Jaw]

It's Enos. He didn't stick around long in Baltimore.

Next Oriole:

[runningshoes]

Jim Fuller

He was in the Orioles line up in 1974 but doesn't show up again till 1977 with the Astros. That's his 1975 Topps card.

Anyone know what happened to him for two years?

[Iron Jaw]

He went back to the minors. Fuller was a Rob Deer/Dave Nicholson/Danny Walton type of hitter. He had power, but just struck out way too much. He was probably capable of hitting 20-30 homeruns, but would have been lucky to reach the .200 mark on a regular basis.

Next Oriole:

[steveox]

That Scott McGreggor!!!! Now youre talking about my ERA!

[Iron Jaw]

That Scott McGreggor!!!! Now youre talking about my ERA!

C'mon Steve. Scotty was a pretty good pitcher....his "ERA" was probably better than yours.:D

One of my favorites though, amongst the late 70's/early 80's class of Orioles.

Next Oriole:

[Mr. Met]

KIko Garcia?

[steveox]

Iron Jaw,,You know what i mean 70s to present i know just about all my birds.I just dont remember the 60s that well.And BTW that is Kiko Garcia.

[Iron Jaw]

Just havin' fun with ya Steve.

And yes....that is Kiko Garcia.


Next Oriole:

[steveox]

I need 2 hints

[runningshoes]

That's Hal Brown.

Former Red Sox pitcher.

He wore the same number as Carleton Fisk

[Iron Jaw]

That is Hal "Skinny" Brown.

Next Oriole(s):

[runningshoes]

Those are the four 20 game winners from the 1971 team.

From left: Mike Cuellar, Pat Dopson,
Dave McNally and Jim Palmer

First team in 51 years to do that.

Of course, the Pirates went on to beat the O's in the World Series that year.

[steveox]

I like their orange uniforms.They should have worn those orange jerseys and pants on the road every friday night.And wear black jerseys at home every friday night.

[Iron Jaw]

Of course, it was the 1971 fab four.

Next Oriole:

[steveox]

Steve Stone!!!!!

[Iron Jaw]

Correctamundo - another surprise, Oriole Cy Young Award winner.


Next Oriole:

[Mr. Met]

Is that Gene Brabender?

[Iron Jaw]

It is, none other then big Gene Brabender. After three seasons as an Oriole, he was drafted by the expansion Seattle Pilots and became their ace. But the following year - after the Pilots moved to Milwaukee, his arm went bad and his career was over.

Next Oriole:

[DODGER DEB]

It is, none other then big Gene Brabender. After three seasons as an Oriole, he was drafted by the expansion Seattle Pilots and became their ace. But the following year - after the Pilots moved to Milwaukee, his arm went bad and his career was over.

Next Oriole:


I believe this is BILLY GARDNER!

c.

[steveox]

I belive youre right.

[Iron Jaw]

It's Billy.


Next Oriole:

[Mr. Met]

Oh Mr. Met definitely recognizes Jack Fisher. :waving

[Iron Jaw]

Yup. Jack Fisher was a member of the 1960, "boy wonders" for the Orioles. He posted a 12-11 record that season, one of the rare +.500 records of his career (it was pretty hard to do when he became a Met in the 1960's - and he was traded before the miracle year of 1969 came around).

Next Oriole:

[Mr. Met]

That's Mike McCormick

[VIBaseball]

In limited duty, this man had the highest slugging percentage on the vintage O's teams of the 1969-71 era.

[Iron Jaw]

The answer, Mike McCormick was correct. Mike spent some time with Baltimore when he was having arm trouble. He made a comeback with the Senators, then won the NL Cy Young Award after he returned to San Francisco in 1967.

The next photo, is that of part-time player Curt Motton. Curt was a valuable pinch hitter for a couple of seasons.

Next Oriole:

[runningshoes]

Eddie Watt

[Iron Jaw]

Eddie Watt is correct - an excellent reliever amongst a mountain of great starters.

Next Oriole:

[runningshoes]

Utility man, Chico Salmon.

He was drafted by the Pilots and then traded to Baltimore. He started the game winning rally in game two of the 1970 World Series.

[Iron Jaw]

Chico it is.

Next Oriole:

[DODGER DEB]

That just might be DON LARSEN!

c.

[VIBaseball]

Another obscure member of the vintage 1969-71 squads:

[Mr. Met]

Is that that Clay Dalrymple?

[Iron Jaw]

That just might be DON LARSEN!

c.

It is, Don Larsen.

Next Oriole:

[VIBaseball]

That was Dalrymple before in the Phillies cap. I'm enjoying this game! :)

[steveox]

Thats Terry Crowley!

[Iron Jaw]

Terry Crowley is correct.

Next Oriole:

[steveox]

Ok Jaw give us 2 hints.

[runningshoes]

Bullet Bob Turley

Played for the O's in 1954.

He won the 1958 Cy Young Award with the Yankees - 21 wins and 19 complete games.

[steveox]

And he was an ex st louis brown.And Bob Turley was the First oriole pitcher who started on opening day at memorial stadium in 1954. And he beat the white sox 4-2

[runningshoes]

And Bob Turley was the First oriole pitcher who started on opening day at memorial stadium in 1954. And he beat the white sox 4-2

Cool.

I didn't know that.

[VIBaseball]

The walrus mustache came later.

[Mr. Met]

Is that Ross Grimsley?

[VIBaseball]

Not Ross...his hair was even wilder and shaggier. There are great stories about Grimsley's refusal to cut his hair, shave, or shower when he was on a winning streak. Thus he was known as Skuz.

Clue: Earl Weaver once said, "This guy doesn't suffer from stress. He's a carrier!"

[steveox]

WHO KNEW?? DON STANHOUSE!
:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

[VIBaseball]

Another obscure member of the 1971 team. He did not play for the O's in 1973 or '74, but then came back for a few more seasons.

[Aa3rt]

Is that Tom Shopay? I hadn't thought of him in years!

[VIBaseball]

It is, Aa3rt. Honestly, I don't know why he came to my mind, either. I just remember a lot of those Weaver-era O's.

Here's another regular guy flanked by heroes.

[steveox]

It is, Aa3rt. Honestly, I don't know why he came to my mind, either. I just remember a lot of those Weaver-era O's.

Here's another regular guy flanked by heroes.

Floyd Rayford?

[VIBaseball]

Well done, Steve...I thought a clue might be needed, it was taking a while.

Here is a distinctive face from the same time as "Honey Bear" Rayford:

[steveox]

Well done, Steve...I thought a clue might be needed, it was taking a while.

Here is a distinctive face from the same time as "Honey Bear" Rayford:
Lenn Sakata!!!!
:laugh Youre in my ERA again. You cant Stomp me from the 1970s to current

[steveox]

Iron Jaw as good you are putting pics up i might as well try too. I guessed the last pic was Lenn Sakata. Next heres my Pic. Next Oriole.
http://www.autographedtoyou.com/CelebPics/fred_beene2.jpg

[runningshoes]

Fred Beene

[steveox]

Youre Right its fred beene. Next Oriole,,
http://imagesource.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHO/AAEJ026.jpg

[egautographs]

That has got to be Boog Powell

[steveox]

That is boog powell next oriole
http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/kurt_motton3.jpg

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

That is boog powell next oriole
http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/kurt_motton3.jpg

Don Buford?

[steveox]

Don Buford?
Not Don Buford

[egautographs]

#21 Curt Motton

[VIBaseball]

Funny how Curt got posted twice in a pretty short span. For a bit-part player, he's well remembered.

Now, who is this guy and what does he have in common with L.A. rock band Los Lobos?

[steveox]

Thats Kiko Garcia.

[VIBaseball]

Alfonso Rafael "Kiko" Garcia it is (though I don't think Los Lobos were recalling him when they issued their "Kiko" album in 1992).

[VIBaseball]

I'm wheeling out a bigger gun in an effort to stump you...this cup-of-coffee guy. This is the only pic I could find of him.

[runningshoes]

Drungo Hazewood

1977 first round flop.

[VIBaseball]

Pretty impressive, runningshoes. How did you recognize him? I had no memory beyond his amazing name, which sticks in so many people's heads.

[runningshoes]

I didn't recognize him right off, but I figured he played in the early 80's. I knew it was him as soon as I saw his name on the roster.

[VIBaseball]

He's been mentioned on this thread a few times, but not yet pictured (looking back, I now realize Kiko Garcia was a repeat).

[steveox]

We Give up.Next oriole please.

[DODGER DEB]

He's been mentioned on this thread a few times, but not yet pictured (looking back, I now realize Kiko Garcia was a repeat).

HE is one of Paul Richards' Kiddie Korps of 1960 - #13 STEVE BARBER!

c.

[VIBaseball]

You are correct, DD...the quote about the stiff arm is from Jim Bouton's "where are they now?" follow-up, Ball Five. I am convinced I remember a baseball card whose text said, with a classic Topps exclamation point, "Steve missed half of 19xx with a sore arm!" :)

And now back to Steveox's era.

It seemed the organization had pitching prospects by the bushel in the Weaver regime (what a great front office). However, this man was a unique hitting footnote for many years.

[VIBaseball]

OK, looks like a clue or two is in order:

1. The trivia note I referred to: before Bobby Witt did it in interleague play in 1997, the last time an AL pitcher hit a regular-season home run was this guy in October 1972.

2. Less than two months later, he was also included in a trade that sent three other much better known O's to the NL in return for a lazy guy who didn't really like to catch.

[Aa3rt]

Thanks for the hints! How about the long forgotten Roric Harrison?

[VIBaseball]

That's the man, Aa3rt. Roric was included along with Pat Dobson, Dave Johnson, and Johnny Oates in the deal with the Braves for Earl Williams :ughh and Taylor Duncan (a player who surfaced in the majors in 1977-78 with the Cards and A's).

He had a not-bad season with the Braves in '73, going 11-8. Apparently a knee injury cost him a chance to play with the O's in '71.

[steveox]

That's the man, Aa3rt. Roric was included along with Pat Dobson, Dave Johnson, and Johnny Oates in the deal with the Braves for Earl Williams :ughh and Taylor Duncan (a player who surfaced in the majors in 1977-78 with the Cards and A's).

He had a not-bad season with the Braves in '73, going 11-8. Apparently a knee injury cost him a chance to play with the O's in '71.
See i didnt know that? I was just a kid back in 1971.Thats why i never saw him play.:eek:

[VIBaseball]

Here's a serious quality longtime Oriole:

[Kripler1]

Frank Robinson?

[Shotgun Shuba]

Dennis Martinez

[runningshoes]

"Tippy" Martinez

[VIBaseball]

Well done again, runningshoes...that was a young Tippy.

Next Oriole...

[steveox]

Wayne Garland

[VIBaseball]

Garland it is. I'd like to know from folks who remember more about how he broke into the Baltimore rotation in '76. His previous work was pretty undistinguished. As best I can tell, they had to turn to him because Ken Holtzman (who came in the Mike Torrez and Don Baylor trade for Reggie Jackson) had a bad arm and could only make 13 starts. Plus, Mike Cuellar really lost it that year.

I'm also guessing from his modest 113 strikeouts in 232 innings -- even though Ks were lower then -- that Wayne was more of a sinker/slider type of pitcher.

I read that before he suffered his rotator cuff problems when the Indians signed him, he blew most of the money (modest by today's standards) on a house in Cleveland's nicest suburb. Later he wound up pumping gas. Wonder where he is now?

[steveox]

Name this oriole
http://www.cjonline.com/images/032903/c.torrez.jpg

[runningshoes]

Former Red Sock, Mike Torrez.

[steveox]

Yep,,,But next oriole
http://members.aol.com/OPCY9/atseco_1.jpg

[runningshoes]

Another former Red Sock, Brady Anderson

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Another former Red Sock, Brady Anderson

The one time I know a player, you beat me:grouchy :grouchy ;)

[steveox]

Next Oriole
http://www.aaretroleague.com/3ded8200.png

[Aa3rt]

The ageless Hoyt Wilhelm! Hoyt's major league career began when he was 29 with the New York Giants in 1952. His last appearance was in 1972 with the LA Dodgers, about two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.

Career record, courtesy of Baseball-Almanac, here:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=wilheho01

[steveox]

Correct!! Next Oriole
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/baltios/billrip.jpg

[Russ]

Bill Ripken

[runningshoes]

You're making this too easy, steveox.

Go deeper, man!!!!

[VIBaseball]

Can you find and name him without any clues?

[VIBaseball]

OK, time for clue #1.

The squad you see above ended the long reign of the greatest college hoops dynasty ever.

[steveox]

Whats got to do with ther orioles?:noidea

[steveox]

You're making this too easy, steveox.

Go deeper, man!!!!
Want me go to the 1890s?

[runningshoes]

Want me go to the 1890s?

Sure..go for it.

[VIBaseball]

Whats got to do with the orioles?:noidea

Well, steveox, as the caption to the basketball team picture says -- spot the future Oriole.

This is a unique trivia question -- think back for an Oriole who was also part of a memorable college hoops team.

[steveox]

Ok next oriole it aint easy nether.
http://memory.loc.gov/ndlpcoop/ichicdn/s0543/s054357.jpg

[runningshoes]

That's John McGraw

[steveox]

Yup next oriole
http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2004-08/14053708.jpg
The one not holding the glove

[runningshoes]

That's Bobby Thomson. I'd recognize that mug anywhere. I'm assuming that's 1960. He only played three games for the O's.

The other guy is Clint Courtney, the first catcher to wear glasses. That's the glove he used to catch Hoyt Wilhelm.

[VIBaseball]

Clue #2 for our hoopster turned Oriole -- here he is today:

[steveox]

Tim Stoddard. Ha Ha,,, He also played in a movie (Rookie of the Year) The Kid who pitched for the cubs and yelled at him ( PITCHER HAS A BIG BUTT PITCHER HAS A BIG BUTT) LOL!!!

[VIBaseball]

That's him, steveox. Stoddard is the only man to be on both an NCAA basketball and World Series championship team.

He was the power forward on the 1974 North Carolina State Wolfpack team (led by David Thompson) that knocked off UCLA after the Bruins had won seven years in a row. That's Tim in the middle row, #42, next to the two black guys (see added circle).

Stoddard won a game in the '79 Series but got his ring with the '83 Orioles.

I think he changed more in just a few years after college than he did between the '80s and today. But another picture I saw of him at the Northwestern website -- he's been pitching coach there for a long time -- shows he's big as a barn now.

[VIBaseball]

He's got to be well over 300 lbs. now, considering he played at 250.

No mustache here, though -- I'll bet that was what tipped you off, steveox.

[VIBaseball]

We've spent enough time with big Tim...next Oriole.

[steveox]

Wayne Gross...Come on VIB you can do better than that! Stump me!

[VIBaseball]

Yep, that was Gross, who came in trade for Tim Stoddard from the A's after the '83 season. (Stoddard was awful that year, was he even on the postseason roster?) In 1985, Wayne had very odd stats -- his 18 RBI must be the fewest for anyone with 11 homers.

I don't expect this one will get you, steveox, because he's from your era...but he's a good fun Oriole anyway. Then I'll reach back for hard stuff again...if I didn't let up by tossing clues, where would you be? :)