Fenway

[skeletor]

I've heard from other 'experts' that Fenway park, ain't in the best
shape..suffering from all sorts of wear and tear..moisture damage
and more..And yeah, John Henry the Sox owner, is doing research
on whether or not it can be retro fitted...But I bet eventually,
down the line..it too..will suffer the same fate of Tiger stadium,
and a new RED SOX park will be built...I hope Fenway lives on
but progress at times, is a bitter pill to swallow..

[efin98]

Despite the rosey picture the Red Sox try to paint it is a losing battle. The Stadium won't last past 2015 or 2020. There is alot of water damage, alot of problems with wear and tear through out the park. It needed a new drainage system on the field and through, newer concourses, new bathrooms. It's being slowly upgraded to modern standards year by year but it lags far behind other stadiums. It can't handle heavy construction so each year only a few minor additions can be made to the stadium. I don't know how the team will ever manage to fit in the planned "upper deck" in the area in and around the .406 club(glassed in area above the grand stand), but that should enable the team to finally meet the 40,000 seat mark and put it on parr with the rest of the league.

Also the research into upgrades to Fenway Park preceeds the current ownership group, it was actually started back when the plans for a new ballpark were first announced.

Also if not for the lack of land in the surrounding cities of Everett, Revere, and Somerville(where the stadium would have gone, with the front being just within Boston). Also if Frank McCourt group had not ended up coming in second in the race to buy the Red Sox the team would be moving into a new facility sometime in the next two years.

It's only amount of time though until the Red Sox HAVE TO move to a new facility. Fenway park simply can't handle the year in and year out wear and tear of 40,000 fans for 81 games a year. There WILL be a new stadium at some point, where it will be is anyone's guess though.

[abolishthedh]

Hopefully, it won't take falling pieces of concrete to get things going, but it will be a sad day. At least the park saw a 2nd Series victory!

[rxpro]

lets face it...can any ballpark opened in 1912 survive forever???

some day...sadly...Fenway and Wrigley will HAVE to go!!!

[KingNothing13]

At least the park saw a 2nd Series victory!


umm.....technically it is the 4th....

1912, 1914 the Braves played their Series games in Fenway, (1915-1916 Sox played in Braves Field for the Series), 1918 and 2004.

[efin98]

Hopefully, it won't take falling pieces of concrete to get things going, but it will be a sad day. At least the park saw a 2nd Series victory!

Actually, that would have happened a few years ago if not for the rebuilding of the concourses. Some of the concrete had worn away enough to cause concern.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I've heard from other 'experts' that Fenway park, ain't in the best
shape..suffering from all sorts of wear and tear..moisture damage
and more..And yeah, John Henry the Sox owner, is doing research
on whether or not it can be retro fitted...But I bet eventually,
down the line..it too..will suffer the same fate of Tiger stadium,
and a new RED SOX park will be built...I hope Fenway lives on
but progress at times, is a bitter pill to swallow..

Are there any reports from engineers saying that there are problems with fenway park. i recall the city of detroit trying to say that tiger stadium was falling down so members of the tiger stadium fan club who are engineers checked the ballpark out and said that there was nothing wrong with tiger stadium.the city of detroit lied about tiger stadium. i have been to fenway park and it looked great to me. one stadium that did have problems was old comiskey park and that was because of the owners thru the years not maintaining comiskey park. but comiskey could have lasted with renovations. i loved going to old comiskey park and miss it. i have not seen a game at the new park and wont be going to it either. Donald

[efin98]

Are there any reports from engineers saying that there are problems with fenway park.

There are reports, but they are none of the public's business since the stadium is private property. There were engineers and architects examining the stadium each of the past three years before any construction started that included city engineers and private engineers hired by the team. However you don't need to be an engineer to know that there are problems with the stadium just by looking at it. Rust on all metal surfaces, concrete crumbling in the concourses and in the stands, rebar starting to show through supports- all that isn't supposed to be showing. I don't care how old a stadium is, none of that is supposed to be showing unless there is a problem with the stadium.

[westsidegrounds]

There are reports, but they are none of the public's business since the stadium is private property. <...>

Considering said private property hosted 2,320,422 members of the public last season, it might almost seem that the public has a right to know how safe said private property is.

Hope it doesn't make me a communist to think that!

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Considering said private property hosted 2,320,422 members of the public last season, it might almost seem that the public has a right to know how safe said private property is.

Hope it doesn't make me a communist to think that!

Good point westsidegrounds i dont know how he can think that its no ones business about fenway. Donald

[efin98]

Considering said private property hosted 2,320,422 members of the public last season, it might almost seem that the public has a right to know how safe said private property is.

Hope it doesn't make me a communist to think that!

Actually, the public has a right to know via another means: building permits and public hearings. Both of which in the city of Boston and Commonwealth of Massachusetts are open to the public for review.

[efin98]

Good point westsidegrounds i dont know how he can think that its no ones business about fenway. Donald

You want to make this personal, fine.

It is no one's business what is being done to Fenway Park when it comes to plans for demolition and upgrades. It's private property, something here in New England take very seriously. Jerks like you who cry foul any time someone does something that they don't like or whines when something is changed that doesn't meet your expectations have no bearing on what goes on and never have. It's a courtesy to directly inform the public about changes, not a right.

[ElHalo]

Here's the thing, though...

The Roman Collusseum (that's one of the few words I know of with NO standard spelling... weird) was in heavy, heavy use for 500 years... the only problem it had in its first century was that the arena floor was no longer watertight, so they couldn't stage the naval battles in the arena that they had before.

If, 2000 years ago, they could build a stadium that could last for half a millenium... why can't we build stadiums today that will last a century?

[efin98]

Here's the thing, though...

The Roman Collusseum (that's one of the few words I know of with NO standard spelling... weird) was in heavy, heavy use for 500 years... the only problem it had in its first century was that the arena floor was no longer watertight, so they couldn't stage the naval battles in the arena that they had before.

If, 2000 years ago, they could build a stadium that could last for half a millenium... why can't we build stadiums today that will last a century?

You are comparing two different stadiums designed in completely different styles using completely different materials...no comparison other than longevity and even that is misleading.

Simply won't be economically viable any more. You can dress it up all you want but it won't help the stadium. It is going to need a thorough overhaul just to keep it up to near modern(10 years ago) standards. You guys bash Yankee Stadium for it's renovations, yet it will take a renovation even more challenging and controversial to keep Fenway open. It's borderline hypocritical.

It'll last 100 years, only has 7 more to reach the century mark. Odds are it will last up to 110 years but I don't believe it will hold out for much longer.

[ElHalo]

You are comparing two different stadiums designed in completely different styles using completely different materials...no comparison other than longevity and even that is misleading.

Well, sure, completely different styles and materials... but if two thousand years ago they could build a stadium with working plumbing and concessions that could last for 500 years as a stadium (and much, much longer as a monument), it just kind of bothers me that we can't do the same in our modern world.

Simply won't be economically viable any more. You can dress it up all you want but it won't help the stadium. It is going to need a thorough overhaul just to keep it up to near modern(10 years ago) standards. You guys bash Yankee Stadium for it's renovations, yet it will take a renovation even more challenging and controversial to keep Fenway open. It's borderline hypocritical.

Hypocritical? What on Earth are you talking about? I quite literally have no idea where you're going with that. People "bash" the 70's Yankee Stadium renovations for two reasons... they got rid of the support beams in an effort to create better sight lines (but just ended up making the place lose character), and they got rid of the facade. What on Earth do those two things have to do with any potential renovation of Fenway?

And, just as an aside... chill. Nobody was jumping down your throat about anything before. I don't see one iota of a hostile remark that would lead you to get all defensive and "make things personal." Nobody said anything that would require you to call them "jerks."

[efin98]

Hypocritical? What on Earth are you talking about? I quite literally have no idea where you're going with that. People "bash" the 70's Yankee Stadium renovations for two reasons... they got rid of the support beams in an effort to create better sight lines (but just ended up making the place lose character), and they got rid of the facade. What on Earth do those two things have to do with any potential renovation of Fenway?

That's exactly what whould have to happen to bring the stadium up to modern standards. They would have to tear apart most of the grand stands, the roof level just to shore up the two levels of seating which in turn remove the familar right field roof, grand stand sight lines, and most of the odd orientation of the park on the 1st Base side.


And, just as an aside... chill. Nobody was jumping down your throat about anything before. I don't see one iota of a hostile remark that would lead you to get all defensive and "make things personal." Nobody said anything that would require you to call them "jerks."

Reread the last statement made by "Pologrounds 1957". That was a personal remark meant to be an insult.

[ElHalo]

Reread the last statement made by "Pologrounds 1957". That was a personal remark meant to be an insult.

I read that, multiple times. I don't see how it's an insult at all. He was just saying that he didn't understand your point of view (i.e., that it's private property and therefore not a matter of concern for the public). I, too, disagree with your point of view on that. It's in no way insulting to disagree with someone. I mean, look at the words.

"I don't know how he can think that it's no one's business about Fenway."

That's not insulting in the slightest. He's just saying that he doesn't understand why you hold that opinion. I don't understand it either, to be quite frank. The mere fact that something is owned privately doesn't mean that the owner can do with it whatever they want... if someone bought the Empire State Building, and decided to level it to build a Wal-Mart, there would, rightly, be a public outcry, because it's a historic landmark. Just like you can't buy a house on the waterfront and build a hundred foot high fence around it (because you would be destroying the sight lines of your neighbors), you can't just buy a historic landmark and tear it down for no good reason... the rights of ownership are not, and should not be, absolute.

[efin98]

The mere fact that something is owned privately doesn't mean that the owner can do with it whatever they want... if someone bought the Empire State Building, and decided to level it to build a Wal-Mart, there would, rightly, be a public outcry, because it's a historic landmark.


It's also public property(the State in "Empire State Building", being that it's owned by New York State...) so that's a bad point. Of course the public will be outraged, it's a public piece of land going to be used for private gains. That is different from a private piece of land being used for a private venture. The owners have every right to do whatever they want with it regardless of what the public demands. Just as you have have every right to tear down your house and rebuild it in a manner you see fit so long as it doesn't interfere with your neighbors' rights.

Just like you can't buy a house on the waterfront and build a hundred foot high fence around it (because you would be destroying the sight lines of your neighbors),

You can't infringe on others peoples rights, but others can't infringe on your rights. Conversely, they can't infringe on your rights to improve your home and business. If that means your building must be torn down, so be it. Just cause can be shown and just cause wins out in the courts- despite outcries.

you can't just buy a historic landmark and tear it down for no good reason...

Actually, you can. You have to show cause, and with Fenway(which isn't a historic landmark, I just checked) they can if it's in the public interest to do so. Public safety is highly regarded in Boston, it will always outweigh public sentiment. And with Fenway, public safety is a concern as was pointed out earlier in this thread.

the rights of ownership are not, and should not be, absolute.

They are abosolute when it's in the public's interest and not the interest of a select few. This isn't communism, private property and private ownership is not to be infringed upon by the public sector.

[ElHalo]

You can't infringe on others peoples rights, but others can't infringe on your rights. Conversely, they can't infringe on your rights to improve your home and business. If that means your building must be torn down, so be it. Just cause can be shown and just cause wins out in the courts- despite outcries.


Except that they really can. In order to put an addition on your house, you need to get town approval. If you own a house from the 1700's, and wish to tear it down to build a modern residence, the public has every right to lobby to have it designated a historic landmark so that you can't do that. You can't just do whatever you want because you own something.


Actually, you can. You have to show cause, and with Fenway(which isn't a historic landmark, I just checked) they can if it's in the public interest to do so. Public safety is highly regarded in Boston, it will always outweigh public sentiment. And with Fenway, public safety is a concern as was pointed out earlier in this thread.

Hence the part of my statement that said "for no good reason." If the structure is a safety hazard, that would constitute a "good reason."


They are abosolute when it's in the public's interest and not the interest of a select few. This isn't communism, private property and private ownership is not to be infringed upon by the public sector.

Private ownership is most assuredly infringed upon by the public sector, every single day. Part of the social contract you live under as a member of society is that you have to submit yourself to certain laws and rules. Some of these rules say that you can't attach swords to front of your car, you can't build a porno shop in a residential neighborhood, you can't raze your house and build a new one without town approval, you can't shoot trespassers, and, of course... you can't destroy historical landmarks without a good reason. I obviously place much less stock in the concept of private property than you do; from where I sit, an individual can only gain ownership of private property through benefits ceded to him by way of the society. As such, society should have some kind of claim on (though not, of course, total control over) said property.

Now, as you say, Fenway's not a historical landmark, so there's no absolute duty to preserve it. However, if Fenway were about to be razed, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was enough of a popular groundswell of support to have it designated as such. Because of this, and because of the fact that just doing things by fiat would allienate enough people to potentially cause a loss in revenue for the team, it would more than make sense for the owners of the stadium to involve the public every step of the way in their efforts to renovate or, failing that, replace the stadium. It's just good business sense.

[efin98]

Except that they really can. In order to put an addition on your house, you need to get town approval. If you own a house from the 1700's, and wish to tear it down to build a modern residence, the public has every right to lobby to have it designated a historic landmark so that you can't do that. You can't just do whatever you want because you own something.

And it's within your rights to show just cause in tearing it down, as is often the case when your house is the only one in it's era to even still exist in the area- which for Fenway it is.

There is a way around that, just saving the facade of the structure while gutting the interior will be enough to get around "landmark" status- as was done in Lambeau Field and Soldier Field when those stadiums were remodelled a few years ago.


Hence the part of my statement that said "for no good reason." If the structure is a safety hazard, that would constitute a "good reason."

Which for Fenway, can be easily demonstrated by deteriorating concrete and rusting supports that eventually will prove too costly to maintain.


Private ownership is most assuredly infringed upon by the public sector, every single day. Part of the social contract you live under as a member of society is that you have to submit yourself to certain laws and rules. Some of these rules say that you can't attach swords to front of your car, you can't build a porno shop in a residential neighborhood, you can't raze your house and build a new one without town approval, you can't shoot trespassers, and, of course... you can't destroy historical landmarks without a good reason.

For the good of the public when it is generally agreed upon is one thing, for the "good of the public" when it's the opinion of a select minority inflicting their views on the majority is another.

I obviously place much less stock in the concept of private property than you do; from where I sit, an individual can only gain ownership of private property through benefits ceded to him by way of the society. As such, society should have some kind of claim on (though not, of course, total control over) said property.

That same way of thinking has been used to keep those "unwanted by society" from obtaining property.

Now, as you say, Fenway's not a historical landmark, so there's no absolute duty to preserve it. However, if Fenway were about to be razed, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was enough of a popular groundswell of support to have it designated as such. Because of this, and because of the fact that just doing things by fiat would allienate enough people to potentially cause a loss in revenue for the team, it would more than make sense for the owners of the stadium to involve the public every step of the way in their efforts to renovate or, failing that, replace the stadium. It's just good business sense.

The team has always intended to do so from the start and they have never tried to hide that, and by rule of law in the city and commonwealth the public is going to be involved right from the start be it by hearings, permits, legislation, or funding issues.

[westsidegrounds]

two thousand years ago they could build a stadium with working plumbing and concessions that could last for 500 years as a stadium (and much, much longer as a monument


I always assumed the Colosseum was where Fenway got those urinals from ...

[efin98]

I always assumed the Colosseum was where Fenway got those urinals from ...

Mercifully those have been gone for at least 11 years, now in the 20th century when it comes to bathrooms.

[ElHalo]

That same way of thinking has been used to keep those "unwanted by society" from obtaining property.

There's obviously a difference of opinion here as to whether or not expansion of private property rights is an inherently good or inherently bad idea.

[efin98]

There's obviously a difference of opinion here as to whether or not expansion of private property rights is an inherently good or inherently bad idea.

Two schools of thought on it, we are both right and we are both wrong. Let's leave it at that.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Despite the rosey picture the Red Sox try to paint it is a losing battle. The Stadium won't last past 2015 or 2020. There is alot of water damage, alot of problems with wear and tear through out the park. It needed a new drainage system on the field and through, newer concourses, new bathrooms. It's being slowly upgraded to modern standards year by year but it lags far behind other stadiums. It can't handle heavy construction so each year only a few minor additions can be made to the stadium. I don't know how the team will ever manage to fit in the planned "upper deck" in the area in and around the .406 club(glassed in area above the grand stand), but that should enable the team to finally meet the 40,000 seat mark and put it on parr with the rest of the league.

Also the research into upgrades to Fenway Park preceeds the current ownership group, it was actually started back when the plans for a new ballpark were first announced.

Also if not for the lack of land in the surrounding cities of Everett, Revere, and Somerville(where the stadium would have gone, with the front being just within Boston). Also if Frank McCourt group had not ended up coming in second in the race to buy the Red Sox the team would be moving into a new facility sometime in the next two years.

It's only amount of time though until the Red Sox HAVE TO move to a new facility. Fenway park simply can't handle the year in and year out wear and tear of 40,000 fans for 81 games a year. There WILL be a new stadium at some point, where it will be is anyone's guess though.

Again there is nothing wrong with fenway park that cannot be renovated. tiger stadium here in detroit is still standing and still is in good shape considering it has not been used for a couple years. both of these ballparks also opened on the same day in 1912.fenway will be around for along time.and i have been to fenway park a couple years ago. it looked great. Donald

[efin98]

Again there is nothing wrong with fenway park that cannot be renovated. tiger stadium here in detroit is still standing and still is in good shape considering it has not been used for a couple years. both of these ballparks also opened on the same day in 1912.fenway will be around for along time.and i have been to fenway park a couple years ago. it looked great. Donald

One game and you are an expert on the park :rolleyes:

I've seen the evidence in favor of a new park up close and personal, I've seen the new reports and read the articles on the parts of the park that are crumbling that you COULDN'T have seen- it's not in great shape and it WON'T last a long time.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

One game and you are an expert on the park :rolleyes:

I've seen the evidence in favor of a new park up close and personal, I've seen the new reports and read the articles on the parts of the park that are crumbling that you COULDN'T have seen- it's not in great shape and it WON'T last a long time.

YOU dont know what you are talking about. leave that to the people who are experts like engineers. its people like you that went to tiger stadium here in detroit and would look up to the rafters and just because the tigers did not paint the roof in years on purpose to make the place look like it was falling apart would sayTHIS PLACE IS FALLING DOWN WE NEED A NEW STADIUM. the tiger stadium fan club had engineers checkout tiger stadium and the stadium was not in bad shape at all.again leave that to experts like engineers to determine what shape fenway park is in. question i am sure that you are happy that the yankees want to build a new stadium also? :mad: :mad:

[sschirmer]

I think Cincinnati needs a new ballpark. After all, Great American is almost three years old now. ;)

[efin98]

YOU dont know what you are talking about.leave that to the people who are experts like engineers.

For your information I have read every article regarding Fenway Park that has appeared in the Boston Globe and Herald, every news story on the eight local news networks, and every bit of information online regarding Fenway Park and it's problems many times over- I know what the hell I am talking about here. I have read enough to know what is garbage(what you are saying) and what isn't(what those who have actually been there and examined up close). I have a damn good clue what is going on.

And unlike you I have been to enough games over my lifetime to see the deterioration of the ballpark firsthand. I have been to enough games to tell where there are going to be problems, what problems already exist, and what problems will existed a few years ago. Any idiot who spends more than 10 minutes walking around the concourses, the bleachers, and the grand stand can see the same things I have seen. The only ones who don't are the ones who are either too ignorant to notice or are too blinded by hatred of change to notice a disaster waiting to happen.

i am sure that you are happy that the yankees want to build a new stadium also?

Yes I am. They need a new ballpark to correct the foul ups from the botched renovation in the 70s. Unlike you and hundreds of other bitter cry babies, I can let go of the past in favor of a better place for my favorite team to play it.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

For your information I have read every article regarding Fenway Park that has appeared in the Boston Globe and Herald, every news story on the eight local news networks, and every bit of information online regarding Fenway Park and it's problems many times over- I know what the hell I am talking about here. I have read enough to know what is garbage(what you are saying) and what isn't(what those who have actually been there and examined up close). I have a damn good clue what is going on.

And unlike you I have been to enough games over my lifetime to see the deterioration of the ballpark firsthand. I have been to enough games to tell where there are going to be problems, what problems already exist, and what problems will existed a few years ago. Any idiot who spends more than 10 minutes walking around the concourses, the bleachers, and the grand stand can see the same things I have seen. The only ones who don't are the ones who are either too ignorant to notice or are too blinded by hatred of change to notice a disaster waiting to happen.



Yes I am. They need a new ballpark to correct the foul ups from the botched renovation in the 70s. Unlike you and hundreds of other bitter cry babies, I can let go of the past in favor of a better place for my favorite team to play it.
I can stand here all day and argue with you about this. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. leave it to the experts. i can expect that from someone your age.. i have been around alot longer than you and i am old enough to be you father.i have dealt with people like you before with me being a member of the tiger stadium fan club which fought against this dump that they built here in detroit. i say that fenway park fans especially in the boston area should start a group to help make fenway park a historical landmark and stand up for fenway park against people like you that would destroy it. and i am not suprised that you would want a new yankee stadium. you are to young(22)to appreciate yankee stadium and the history and heritage of the ball park. and because of people like you in the past new york city lost two great landmarks in EBBETS FIELD and the POLO GROUNDS. AND everyone knows that you and everyone else has the right to there opinion. :grouchy :confused: :grouchy :eek:

[efin98]

I can stand here all day and argue with you about this. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

You don't want an argument, you want everyone to agree with you or else you run off and cry. This is the second thread you have done that, and folks are getting sick of it. Grow up.

AND everyone knows that you and everyone else has the right to there opinion. :grouchy :confused: :grouchy :eek:

Aparently, you have yet to learn that.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

You don't want an argument, you want everyone to agree with you or else you run off and cry. This is the second thread you have done that, and folks are getting sick of it. Grow up.



Aparently, you have yet to learn that.

ALL you are is a 22 year old kid who thinks that he knows everything, but you are a 22 year old kid that knows nothing. you can say what you want about me i dont care. again leave it to the experts to say if fenway park has problems And you are not a expert.

[efin98]

ALL you are is a 22 year old kid who thinks that he knows everything, but you are a 22 year old kid that knows nothing. you can say what you want about me i dont care. again leave it to the experts to say if fenway park has problems And you are not a expert.

I may be 22 but I make an effort to actually know what I am talking about before I respond. I try to back up what I say and not resort to personal attacks like you have done. I don't belive you are 44 as you claim to be. From the way you respond, your grammar, your lack of facts in favor of personal insults and arguments I believe you are none other than a kid younger than me- no more than 15 years old at most.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Why do you guys feel the need to ruin threads in this manner ? This is the second thread i was enjoying reading until you two ruined them with your little yelling matches. Im only 15, and I think that you two are a sad sight. You are acting in the way that one might expect from someone my age. You two should be ashamed of yourselves.

Read the other thread ruined by these two here. (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=31146)

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Why do you guys feel the need to ruin threads in this manner ? This is the second thread i was enjoying reading until you two ruined them with your little yelling matches. Im only 15, and I think that you two are a sad sight. You are acting in the way that one might expect from someone my age. You two should be ashamed of yourselves.

Read the other thread ruined by these two here. (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=31146)

ALL i will say for one last time is i have the right to my opinion just like everyone here. i have been to fenway park and i feel that the ballpark is in great condition considering its age. any stadium that old will have problems from time to time but that does not mean the the stadium should be torn down.hopefully the red sox will continue to make renovations to the ballpark.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

ALL you are is a 22 year old kid who thinks that he knows everything, but you are a 22 year old kid that knows nothing. you can say what you want about me i dont care. again leave it to the experts to say if fenway park has problems And you are not a expert.

Im sorry, but your hypocrisy is overwhelming. You say that everyone has the right to their opinion, yet whenever Efin98 says anything with which you do not agree, you say something resembling what is quoted above. If you are entitled to your own opinion, please honour everyone elses.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Im sorry, but your hypocrisy is overwhelming. You say that everyone has the right to their opinion, yet whenever Efin98 says anything with which you do not agree, you say something resembling what is quoted above. If you are entitled to your own opinion, please honour everyone elses.

You have the right to your opinion including a opinion on me thats fine. i have made my statement on this topic and thats all i am going to say about it, next topic please.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Thank you.

[Southlake CubsFan]

i dont want to rekindle this or anything but im just saying, im glad you guys both have your own opions, but next time lets not attack eachother please? lets keep the thread nice and peaceful, but still aruge, thats what makes threads good! when you guys go and tear each other down its bad for the thread and the board, it may sound stupid coming from a 15 year old like me. i agree with richmondhillphoniex with his post

[efin98]

I'll be a better man and appologize to the folks who actually were interested in what Skeletor asked. The first reply in the thread is on topic and to the point, beyond that isn't.

[runningshoes]

Here's what I think and this is just my opinion.

I love Fenway. It is heads above, my favorite park with Tiger Stadium coming in a close second.

Having said that, I don't really care what anyone says or believes or loves or can't let go of. Anything built in 1912 that is still holding spectators today needs to be replaced.

Unfortunately, the reality remains that most of the old ballparks sit or sat on valuable land. Beating your head against a wall about that fact will not change it. And please don't try to point out examples of other stadiums around the world still standing because the economic reality in most of those countries dictates the need to retain them. Otherwise they would be replaced as well.

No offense, but it's this kind of attitude I see displayed constantly by preservationists that would still be have us whipping the horses ass to get to the ballpark instead of driving the air conditioned SUV's most of us use to get there now.

Realistically, what would they have done with Ebbet's field or Tiger Stadium? Brooklyn was never going to get another team: major minor, or otherwise. And I've been to that decaying city along the St. Clair River several times and, sorry to say, its in need of some serious urban renewal just like terrorists need to be shot in the head.

By all means, if it can be used for something worthwhile that doesn't endanger the lives of people, I say do it.

These new parks are going to create new and lasting memories for guys like efin98 and richmondhillpheonix, (by the way..Skydome..Roger's Centre.. is the dog's ass, but that's just my opinion ;)) just like Tiger Stadium, The Polo Grounds, Ebbet's Field, Wrigley Field and whatever other park that tearing down makes your blood boil.

I've been to some of the new parks and I plan to visit the others in the coming years. Those experiences have given me the best of both worlds. You can say what you like about Comerica, but after PNC Park and Camden Yards, it was one the most pleasant viewing, listening experiences I’ve had with major league baseball. And calling a septic tank or a sewer will not change that fact that I, and millions more, had a great experience there.

I think you should start focusing your time and your energy to make the experience better within what you know is going to happen instead of being bitter about it and being left out in the cold.

[VTSoxFan]

I wish I'd come to this thread two weeks ago... :mad: I may not be a Mod of this forum but I would have moderated with a ruthless hand. For future reference -- if you have to argue, argue via PM and e-mail, and don't embarrass yourselves in public.

On to Fenway... The previous ownership made NO attempt to even clean up the place. They let the paint peel, the concrete chip, the skudge to build up on the floor of the concourse, the bathrooms to grow thundering herds of bacteria. They wanted the park to look decrepit so they could claim it was about to fall down, so they could squeeze that $600M out of the state and the city to build a shiny new Comiskey Park East, a glittery glassy new stadium without one iota of character.

The current renovations to Fenway extend its viability at least another 20-30 years, if you believe the words of Janet Marie Smith, the chief architect overseeing things there. Of course Fenway won't last forever; nothing does. Eventually another stadium will have to replace it. I just hope that when the time does come it's done honestly, and the new park will have some character, some personality of its own while retaining some of the feel of Fenway -- the closeness of the fans to the field, the focus on baseball and baseball alone (no pools, malls or amusement parks). I want it integrated into the neighborhood as Fenway is now, not set off by itself like a UFO in a WalMart parking lot, like the parks in Arlington and Anaheim. Of course the players want a modern clubhouse, and the well-fed fans of today need bigger seats into which to wedge their fannies. As for me, I'd like a little more room for my knees; those grandstand rows are packed pretty close together.

But despite its faults and its age spots, I love Fenway. I live in the woods, and feel so out of place in Boston... but when I go up that ramp and see that field and the green walls and the sweep of the seats up in the stands, and the evening sunlight striped across the grass... it feels as much like home as the room I'm sitting in now. I love Fenway. And I will cry the day they tear it down, however far in the future that may be.

[runningshoes]

"I just hope that when the time does come it's done honestly, and the new park will have some character, some personality of its own while retaining some of the feel of Fenway -- the closeness of the fans to the field, the focus on baseball and baseball alone."

Beautifully stated, Annie. That's exactly what I mean by the preservationists focusing thier efforts on the battles they can win.

[efin98]

I wish I'd come to this thread two weeks ago... :mad: I may not be a Mod of this forum but I would have moderated with a ruthless hand. For future reference -- if you have to argue, argue via PM and e-mail, and don't embarrass yourselves in public.

On to Fenway... The previous ownership made NO attempt to even clean up the place. They let the paint peel, the concrete chip, the skudge to build up on the floor of the concourse, the bathrooms to grow thundering herds of bacteria. They wanted the park to look decrepit so they could claim it was about to fall down, so they could squeeze that $600M out of the state and the city to build a shiny new Comiskey Park East, a glittery glassy new stadium without one iota of character.

And I'm sure throroughly renonovating all restroom facilities, concession stands to bring them up to modern standards a few years before they announced they wanted a new stadium were part of that plan to get rid of Fenway :rolleyes:

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

[QUOTE=VTSoxFan]I wish I'd come to this thread two weeks ago... :mad: I may not be a Mod of this forum but I would have moderated with a ruthless hand. For future reference -- if you have to argue, argue via PM and e-mail, and don't embarrass yourselves in public.(QUOTE)


You are not the moderator of this forum but you have the right to voice your opinion like anyone else. :mad: :mad:

[skeletor]

[QUOTE=VTSoxFan]I wish I'd come to this thread two weeks ago... :mad: I may not be a Mod of this forum but I would have moderated with a ruthless hand. For future reference -- if you have to argue, argue via PM and e-mail, and don't embarrass yourselves in public.(QUOTE)


You are not the moderator of this forum but you have the right to voice your opinion like anyone else. :mad: :mad:

Jumping grasshoppers..I guess Donald REALLY is the JESUS of BBF !
whoa, nellie !
:eek:

All kidding aside..it's great when we can ask both hard and soft questions..
and try to get an handle on the replies..I know Polo1957, won't toss
me into the baseball LAKE-OF-FIRE, but I like Comerica...and yeah, it was
a pretty good park to see even bad BASEBALL like my beloved Tigers..
True, it's no Tiger stadium..nothing will ever be..and like that day, when
Fenway plays her last game..There will be weeping, and reflecting, on both
the good and bad times there..and no matter how great FENWAY II IS,
there always will be someone whining like some mofo...It's been done
here in Detroit..and no doubt, will be happening within the RED SOX nation.

:rolleyes:

[skeletor]

I think Cincinnati needs a new ballpark. After all, Great American is almost three years old now. ;)

Heck, they need a new ball club as well...let's move the Devil Rays
to Cincy, give the locals a real THRILL...
:rolleyes:

or would you prefer the Royals ? Carl Linder, is duh man ! :eek:

[sschirmer]

I don't know how much longer "Uncle Carl" is going to be running the show.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Anything new on Fenway?

[redbuck]

Hopefully by 2015 we'll have moved on from this current trend of picking pieces of old parks and meshing them with a generic design.

Fenway will have to come down. It's sad but it's not the end of the world. Eventually old things have to be replaced to continue to be functional.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Hopefully by 2015 we'll have moved on from this current trend of picking pieces of old parks and meshing them with a generic design.

Fenway will have to come down. It's sad but it's not the end of the world. Eventually old things have to be replaced to continue to be functional.You are wrong fenway park along with wrigley field will be around for along time to come.

[efin98]

Anything new on Fenway?

Nothing new since 2001. The current owners can't/won't move for a while and there isn't much land around Boston left to build upon.

[efin98]

Hopefully by 2015 we'll have moved on from this current trend of picking pieces of old parks and meshing them with a generic design.

Fenway will have to come down. It's sad but it's not the end of the world. Eventually old things have to be replaced to continue to be functional.

What you say is the honest truth. It can't last forever and won't. They will move into a new stadium at some point, regardless of how beloved the current place is.

[efin98]

You are wrong fenway park along with wrigley field will be around for along time to come.

No he isn't. He's dead on.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

No he isn't. He's dead on.Again i have said this before you dont know what you are taking about like always.

[runningshoes]

Again i have said this before you dont know what you are taking about like always.

Donald, with all due respect, nine times out of ten you don't know what you're talking about and are too stubborn to try.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

Donald, with all due respect, nine times out of ten you don't know what you're talking about and are too stubborn to try.
When was the last time that you were in boston?

[efin98]

Again i have said this before you dont know what you are taking about like always.

EXCUSE ME SIR!

I live here! I have followed the team since 1989. I live near THREE stadium sites. I shop at three shopping centers that will be greatly affected when the stadiums are built- I KNOW WHAT THE HELL I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE!

[runningshoes]

When was the last time that you were in boston?

2002, and although I love Fenway it was obvious to me she was nearing end of the road.

[efin98]

When was the last time that you were in boston?

When was the last time you were? I wouldn't insult him, you don't live anywhere near Boston.

[runningshoes]

When was the last time you were? I wouldn't insult him, you don't live anywhere near Boston.

I know how Donald thinks.

Since I'm a Canadian living in the Philippines there's no way I could ever have been to Fenway the six times I actually have. :laugh

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

When was the last time you were? I wouldn't insult him, you don't live anywhere near Boston.I was there not to many years ago and the stadium was fine. and i also have a friend who goes to fenway park along with wrigley field every year and he has told me that there is NOTHING WRONG WITH FENWAY PARK. you can argue with me all you want but nobody will change my mind on this.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

I know how Donald thinks.

Since I'm a Canadian living in the Philippines there's no way I could ever have been to Fenway the six times I actually have. :laughGOOD for you.

[runningshoes]

you can argue with me all you want but nobody will change my mind on this.

There's a revelation. :rolleyes:

[efin98]

I was there not to many years ago and the stadium was fine. and i also have a friend who goes to fenway park along with wrigley field every year and he has told me that there is NOTHING WRONG WITH FENWAY PARK. you can argue with me all you want but nobody will change my mind on this.

You are exactly like him and many others here- you visit once or a few times and are instant experts in the care and condition of the stadium. What you don't see is the deep down problems that the park has and will soon have to face- water damage from storms, electrical dificulties galore, structural deficiencies due to all of the new weight on places like the Green Monster and the upper deck.

You won't see those, you won't hear about those, you won't see the results of those. What you will see is a fresh coat of paint, fresh cut grass, and a $5 hot dog and $4 soda.

[efin98]

I know how Donald thinks.

Since I'm a Canadian living in the Philippines there's no way I could ever have been to Fenway the six times I actually have. :laugh

Donald also thinks that since I am in favor of a new ballpark I must live on the other side of the planet 5,000 miles away from the park and under no sort of impact when the new one is built:crazy

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

You are exactly like him and many others here- you visit once or a few times and are instant experts in the care and condition of the stadium. What you don't see is the deep down problems that the park has and will soon have to face- water damage from storms, electrical dificulties galore, structural deficiencies due to all of the new weight on places like the Green Monster and the upper deck.

You won't see those, you won't hear about those, you won't see the results of those. What you will see is a fresh coat of paint, fresh cut grass, and a $5 hot dog and $4 soda.Listen all you want to do is argue with people even since you dont know what you are talking about. if someone said that it was raining outside you would say the oppsite. like i have said before you have the right to your opinion just like everyone else here. but that does not mean that you are right.

[efin98]

Listen all you want to do is argue with people even since you dont know what you are talking about. if someone said that it was raining outside you would say the oppsite.

You should talk, you do the same thing. The difference between you and I: I bother to see the point others make and then disagree, you outright refuse to see anything but your own blinded hatred.

like i have said before you have the right to your opinion just like everyone else here. but that does not mean that you are right.

And it doesn't mean I am wrong nor does it mean that I don't see the points of people who state their feelings and opinions on the subject.

And it also doesn't mean that I don't know what the heck I am talking about because I am against what you were ranting about.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

You should talk, you do the same thing. The difference between you and I: I bother to see the point others make and then disagree, you outright refuse to see anything but your own blinded hatred.



And it doesn't mean I am wrong nor does it mean that I don't see the points of people who state their feelings and opinions on the subject.

And it also doesn't mean that I don't know what the heck I am talking about because I am against what you were ranting about.GOOD for you.

[Williamsburg2599]

Hopefully by 2015 we'll have moved on from this current trend of picking pieces of old parks and meshing them with a generic design.

Fenway will have to come down. It's sad but it's not the end of the world. Eventually old things have to be replaced to continue to be functional.
Fenway will have to come down EVENTULLY but I don't think it needs to be torn down after the soxs leave(if they can find somewhere else to build it).There are lots of colleges in the area that you could use it for 10 or 15 years after the soxs leave and maybe the occasional pawsoxs,spinners, or sea dogs game but after that it will probabily be way too unsafe to use.:(.

[runningshoes]

GOOD for you.

But not good for you, Donald, what with you displaying your lack of knowledge* of others for all to see here.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

But not good for you, Donald, what with you displaying your lack of knowledge* of others for all to see here.I know what i am talking about but i have never said that i am a expert like some people here think that they are.

[runningshoes]

I know what i am talking about but i have never said that i am a expert like some people here think that they are.

But you didn't know I had been to Fenway before you suggested I never had.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

But you didn't know I had been to Fenway before you suggested I never had.
Good for you i have also been to fenway park.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Hey guys. I have no idea. I have never been to Fenway, however it will obviously have to come down eventually. However, I dont think anyone here is a structural and electrical engineer, nor a safety official all in one. To say that everything is fine is naive. If a building is that old, it will obviously have something wrong with it.

[runningshoes]

Good for you i have also been to fenway park.

Did I lose you somewhere?

[efin98]

Fenway will have to come down EVENTULLY but I don't think it needs to be torn down after the soxs leave(if they can find somewhere else to build it).There are lots of colleges in the area that you could use it for 10 or 15 years after the soxs leave and maybe the occasional pawsoxs,spinners, or sea dogs game but after that it will probabily be way too unsafe to use.:(.

There is a plan to put a minor league stadium in the city, if the Sox build a new stadium it will without a doubt get reused for a few years...however the vast majority of the stadium won't survive the reuse. I'd bet that only the field boxes and about six or so rows of seats would be retained in a new stadium, the rest will be torn down and reused for other purposes(offices, housing, classrooms etc.)

[efin98]

Hey guys. I have no idea. I have never been to Fenway, however it will obviously have to come down eventually. However, I dont think anyone here is a structural and electrical engineer, nor a safety official all in one. To say that everything is fine is naive. If a building is that old, it will obviously have something wrong with it.

The problems have been well documented over the past decade, epsecially before the plans for a new stadium came about. It was common knowlege before that there was many problems with the ballpark and most likely those problems are what sparked the plans for the new park. It took a new ownership group and a hefty price to get the plans shelved indefinately(but not entirely)...

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

The problems have been well documented over the past decade, epsecially before the plans for a new stadium came about. It was common knowlege before that there was many problems with the ballpark and most likely those problems are what sparked the plans for the new park. It took a new ownership group and a hefty price to get the plans shelved indefinately(but not entirely)...
Here we go again Mr know it all.

[runningshoes]

And let us not forget they just plain need a place with more bloody seats.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Honestly Donald, how can you be so naive? This isn't a huge conspiracy. People have been sayingn there are problems. You haven't been there in some years from what i gather, so why do you even care? If you do care, then go see a bunch of games before it is gone. Fenway while it is still around to see a bunch of games.

[efin98]

Here we go again Mr know it all.

Boston Herald did an expose on the stadium back in 1998 and again after the new stadium was announced. It's a cold, hard fact there.

[efin98]

And let us not forget they just plain need a place with more bloody seats.

Or a place where your hips aren't threatening to crack apart each time you move...or a place that isn't a safety hazard due to fire(wooden seats, old paint, lack of exits- you do the math there!

[efin98]

Honestly Donald, how can you be so naive? This isn't a huge conspiracy. People have been sayingn there are problems. You haven't been there in some years from what i gather, so why do you even care? If you do care, then go see a bunch of games before it is gone. Fenway while it is still around to see a bunch of games.

With the way things work in Boston and in the surrounding cities it will still be around for another two decades, it's not like it's going to be torn down tomorrow and a new place opening up next week:crazy

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

With the way things work in Boston and in the surrounding cities it will still be around for another two decades, it's not like it's going to be torn down tomorrow and a new place opening up next week:crazy
I still cant believe that the city tore down the historic boston garden for the crappy fleetcenter instead of renovating it like they should have.

[efin98]

I still cant believe that the city tore down the historic boston garden for the crappy fleetcenter instead of renovating it like they should have.

The Garden has nothing to do with Fenway.

And I doubt you have ever set foot in either the old or the new Garden.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

The Garden has nothing to do with Fenway.

And I doubt you have ever set foot in either the old or the new Garden.I saw 9 hockey games at the boston garden and i refuse to go to the fleetcenter or what ever they call it today.

[efin98]

I saw 9 hockey games at the boston garden and i refuse to go to the fleetcenter or what ever they call it today.

So like your assumptions about Comerica Park, you base your rant on nothing.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

So like your assumptions about Comerica Park, you base your rant on nothing.Listen you and nobody else is going to get me to go into that piece of crap fleetcenter.:mad:

[efin98]

Listen you and nobody else is going to get me to go into that piece of crap fleetcenter.:mad:

You just proved my point...

[redbuck]

As some of you know, I deal heavily with architects in my stadiametrics project. Talking to some about Fenway, there are a few things that are clear:

The positives

Aesthetically it is in great shape and many of its deficiencies can be ignored because of the respect it gets for its age

The structure is still solid although it needs to be monitored

Fenway's expansion plans have had great success with the neighborhood - it can claim wider concourses now with the surrounding streets as "in" the stadium.

The press situation is good. Plans were made for this long ago so there is enough space.

All the other ones that we know but don't need to mention...

The negatives

Obviously the poles, leaky roofs, etc. make the game viewing experience somewhat less enjoyable than it otherwise would be

Structurally it is not in great shape. It is still a fortress-like ballpark but the added strain on the roof and simply the age of the place requires constant work and monitoring. Serious structural renovations will be needed in the next several years if it is to stick around

Functionally it is very poor - and before you go nuts, let me explain. Its seat to restroom ratio is very poor, the concourses are fairly narrow, the rows are not nearly wide enough to satisfy the handicapped advocates, the concourse, while not that bad, are in places very small (and confusing for many fans). But one of the biggest issues is the ramp situation. Fenway has ramps, but they are far steeper than the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 dictates they can be. But perhaps most importantly, the park is a crowd hazard, too small for the number of people that are squeezed into it and the park would be illegal to build anymore because its walls are too close to the street (exceptions can be made to this rule but they are fairly rare)

Fenway lacks the space in its underbelly to satisfy many major league teams' video and technological desires, not to mention what the players want.

[runningshoes]

Listen you and nobody else is going to get me to go into that piece of crap fleetcenter.:mad:

Now we have to make two stops after you're gone?

Anywhere else we should know about? :D

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Does anyone have pictures of he locker rooms of Fenway? I've laways wondered what they are like.

[efin98]

The negatives

Obviously the poles, leaky roofs, etc. make the game viewing experience somewhat less enjoyable than it otherwise would be


In defense of the stadium the other side: close to the action in much of the stadium, only a small number of seats actually directly affected by the poles and collumns.

Structurally it is not in great shape. It is still a fortress-like ballpark but the added strain on the roof and simply the age of the place requires constant work and monitoring. Serious structural renovations will be needed in the next several years if it is to stick around

New technology and a better understanding of structural engineering coupled with stronger and sometimes cheaper reinforcement could remove these troubles.

Functionally it is very poor - and before you go nuts, let me explain. Its seat to restroom ratio is very poor, the concourses are fairly narrow, the rows are not nearly wide enough to satisfy the handicapped advocates, the concourse, while not that bad, are in places very small (and confusing for many fans).

The opening of the new gate out of Yawkey Way allows a large deal of concessions and vending to be done outside taking the strain off of the main concourses.

But one of the biggest issues is the ramp situation. Fenway has ramps, but they are far steeper than the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 dictates they can be. But perhaps most importantly, the park is a crowd hazard, too small for the number of people that are squeezed into it and the park would be illegal to build anymore because its walls are too close to the street (exceptions can be made to this rule but they are fairly rare)

They have solved that problem by building up- as in adding onto and creating a new upper deck that overhangs the street while at the same time also moving the sidewalk out mitigating any lost space(done in conjunction with a needed resurfacing and rebuilding of the sidewalks around park that was required anyway)

Fenway lacks the space in its underbelly to satisfy many major league teams' video and technological desires, not to mention what the players want.

Mitigated by moving a large amount of offices outside of the ballpark and reusing the space for onfield/player needs. They have taken over the former WBCN radio building for this very purpose...

[efin98]

Does anyone have pictures of he locker rooms of Fenway? I've laways wondered what they are like.

Pre or post renovations(I believe at least two in the last five years)?

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Anything you have.

[runningshoes]

Does anyone have pictures of he locker rooms of Fenway? I've always wondered what they are like.

I have pictures of the players facility from my Sports Illustrated limited edition commemoration issue and although nicely renovated, they are obviously cramped. I'll see if I can get them scanned later today.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Thanks, that would be great.

Edit: I realize that it must be the middle of the day for you. Here in T.O, its midnight.

[runningshoes]

Thanks, that would be great.

Edit: I realize that it must be the middle of the day for you. Here in T.O, its midnight.

It's just after noon and hotter than hell but the cafe is just around the corner. :D

I'll wait till it gets a little cooler this afternoon.

[efin98]

Anything you have.

Manny Ramirez in it (http://www.eagletribune.com/04/pix/es051009.jpg) not sure how old though, but you can see it's a mess and a bit small...

Yaz in it (http://www.i-concepts.org/images/prints/st10018.jpg)

That will have to hold you over till the morning when Runningshoes can get some better ones online:D

[efin98]

A few shots from the Boston Public Library...these are pretty old, but I believe it was pretty much the same until very recently...

[Rain Man]

I'm a Yankee fan and have been to Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park.
I honestly have to say that I felt an aura about Fenway that I didn't feel at
The House That Ruth Built in spite of Monument Park. It's too bad that we can't come up with a way to preserve it's history. It's all about money and you can't blame anyone.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Those pics are neat! Thats kind of what I thought it would look like. Personally, i like that kind of quirky, cramped little space. Although the players would definitly disagree.

[bensmash]

Hey gang,

I'm trying, desperately trying, to find a map of Fenway where every single section of the ballpark is labled - not the same friggin' map you see everywhere with only every fifth box tagged with a number.

Does anyone know where I can get a map like that short of going all the way to Boston for a few games to study the place like a cartographer (not that I'd mind).

G-d Bless The Sox.

-Benjamin

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

http://www.tickco.com/images/stadiums/mlb/fenway.gif http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadium/fenway_park_seating_chart.gif

How 'bout these? I know they are numbered in the same way, but the seating sections are distinct and you can count the mon their own very easily. Why do you want such a map anyways?

[Seattle1]

Let's hope Fenway Park lasts and lasts and lasts! :)

One day I would like to go to Fenway when the Mariners play the Red Sox and sit in those cool new seats on top of the Green Monster!

:clapping

[efin98]

How 'bout these? I know they are numbered in the same way, but the seating sections are distinct and you can count the mon their own very easily. Why do you want such a map anyways?

The only thing missing is this year's additions.

Here's the diagram from the Red Sox website (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/bos/images/ballpark/y2005/seating_745x615.gif)

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Ya, I saw that one and figured it was the one you were talking about that was common. Why do you need these maps anyways?

[luv4thegame9]

wrigley will NEVER go, until the cubs win the world series, so NEVER!

[Stumanji]

I hope, for the sake of history, that Boston can figure out a way to build a new Fenway Park right over the grounds of the old Fenway Park. I just can't imagine having an all new stadium there.

I better get to Boston, New York, and Chicago before those parks are all gone.

[rwolfe09]

I don't think Boston will get rid of Fenway Park. I mean recently (like a year ago) the Sox applied to get National Landmark Status for Fenway. Especially since in 2012 it's gonna be 100 and I will be sure to be there.

[tmorss9]

Fear not about fenway. The Sox have spent so much money in the last 3 years that they basically have done the impossible, making an old stadium virtually modern. The owners have said there are no plans to do anything but keep improving it.

[Williamsburg2599]

I hope, for the sake of history, that Boston can figure out a way to build a new Fenway Park right over the grounds of the old Fenway Park. I just can't imagine having an all new stadium there.

I better get to Boston, New York, and Chicago before those parks are all gone.
It would most likely be built on the same grounds, but I really don't think Fenway is going anywhere anytime soon.

[efin98]

Fear not about fenway. The Sox have spent so much money in the last 3 years that they basically have done the impossible, making an old stadium virtually modern. The owners have said there are no plans to do anything but keep improving it.

The improvements will not prevent them from moving to a new facility, the costs of building a new one will.


Anything built in and around Boston is expensive, that's why the Patriots play out in Foxborough- too darn expensive to build a facility close to Boston.

[StanTheMan]

Question......

Where exactly is the Red seat, which I believe commemorates a Ted Williams Home Run? Is it Red just because it was such a long HR, or was it otherwise significant?

Thanks in advance.