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webmaster
04-10-2005, 05:46 PM
Hello Baseball Fever Fans,

I was answering a question over on Baseball Almanac (http://www.baseball-almanac.com) about hall of fame pitchers with the worst ERA and gave this list of those with an ERA above 3.59:

1. 3.80 : Red Ruffing (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=ruffire01)
2. 3.67 : Ted Lyons (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=lyonste01)
3. 3.64 : Jesse Haines (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=haineje01)
4. 3.60 : Herb Pennock (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=pennohe01)

This made me wonder about pitchers in general who had some of the worst earned run averages ever. I set some levels so it could be fair and came up with the following names:

100 IP : 8.86 Andy Larkin (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=larkian01)
250 IP : 6.99 Bill Kissinger (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=kissibi01)
400 IP : 6.74 Jim Walkup (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=walkuji02)
800 IP : 5.84 Claude Willoughby (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=willocl01)
1,000 IP : 5.11 Mike Sullivan (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=sullimi02)

Plenty of other levels for you to take a look at, but I hope you enjoyed this brief list nonetheless. Reply with other plateaus if you do the research and share with us your findings...

Sean

RuthMayBond
04-11-2005, 12:02 PM
If this is correct:
75 IP Andy Larkin 8.96?
60 IP Charlie Stecher 10.32
40 IP Stu Flythe, 13.12
20 IP Sid Schacht, 15.00
15 IP June Greene, 18.95
6 IP Jim Brady, 29.51

chanceron
04-30-2005, 06:55 AM
Some are HOFers and some or not...worse ERAs

2000 IP Kid Carsey 4.95
3000 IP Earl Whitehill 4.36
4000 IP Gus Weyhing 3.89
5000 IP Phil Niekro 3.35
6000 IP Jim Galvin 2.85
7000 IP Cy Young 2.63

Cubsfan97
12-21-2005, 08:40 AM
Well how many people actually pitched 7000 innings?

Chicoutimi CP
12-28-2005, 03:50 PM
Well how many people actually pitched 7000 innings?

Only Cy Young did it. For your info, Pud Galvin is also the only one with 6000 + IP, and there are 10 guys who have 5000 +.

Claude

VIBaseball
12-28-2005, 05:02 PM
Well how many people actually pitched 7000 innings?

This got me curious too. The first guy who came to mind was Walter Johnson, and I see he was just short of 6000 (5914). Then I wondered about Christy Mathewson, but even he didn't make 5000 (4780).

If I'm not mistaken, the guy with the highest tangible (non-infinite) ERA is Joe Cleary at 189.00, thanks to the 7 ER he surrendered in his 1/3 inning career in 1945.

Brooklyn
12-29-2005, 07:42 AM
Special acknowledgement for futility should go to Jim Brady, for having recorded the most outs while giving up more earned runs that outs. He recorded 19 outs and gave up 20 earned runs. Tough to do.

rxreed
03-07-2006, 05:45 PM
I forgot about Joe Cleary. China's Shuai Li had a 40.50 ERA in 2/3 innings during a World Baseball Classic game last weekend.

JohnGelnarFan
04-21-2006, 01:11 PM
How about single season Starters? I guess this could be a seperate thread. Some come to mind:

1) Bobo Newsome 1938 Browns 20-16 5.08 E.R.A.
2) Rick Helling 1998 Rangers 20-7 4.41
3) Jim Merritt 1970 Reds 20-12 4.08
4) Dan Spillner 1980 Indians 16-11 5.29
5) Len Barker 1980 Indians 19-12 4.17

These are,of course,before this crazy era of 4.25 E.R.A.s being respectable!

RuthMayBond
04-21-2006, 01:18 PM
How about single season Starters? I guess this could be a seperate thread. Some come to mind:

5) Len Barker 1980 Indians 19-12 4.17You call that bad, another Indian, Milt Shofner's 7.03 :eek:

JohnGelnarFan
04-21-2006, 01:42 PM
Mine were regulars in the rotation and pitched at least 190 innings but that's bad for anyone that gets into a number of games.I looked him up and he actually had back to back years over 7.20! The first,In 1930,he was 3-4 with a 7.97 In 24 games and 10 starts,he pitched 84.2 Innings.His numbers were awful! In 1931,he was 2-3 with a7.24. He pitched in 12 games,4 starts and 41 Innings. He was Ok for a few years after that. Amazing that he got another shot. How do you know about this Guy??!!

RuthMayBond
04-21-2006, 01:44 PM
Mine were regulars in the rotation and pitched at least 190 innings but that's bad for anyone that gets into a number of games.I looked him up and he actually had back to back years over 7.20! The first,In 1930,he was 3-4 with a 7.97 In 24 games and 10 starts,he pitched 84.2 Innings.His numbers were awful! In 1931,he was 2-3 with a7.24. He pitched in 12 games,4 starts and 41 Innings. He was Ok for a few years after that. Amazing that he got another shot. How do you know about this Guy??!!They used to have a thing on the radio every once in a while about worst Indian stiffs, so I started researching

JohnGelnarFan
04-21-2006, 02:37 PM
That's a great thing to share with fans.Do you remember any of the other names(Stiffs)?

RuthMayBond
04-21-2006, 02:43 PM
That's a great thing to share with fans.Do you remember any of the other names(Stiffs)?I made up my own list, and some of them are short-timers. I hope you can stomach this
P-Jose Roman
P-Jeff Mutis
P-Denis Boucher
P-Ross Grimsley
C-Scooter Tucker
1B-Bill Schwartz
2B-Gus Gil
3B-Kurt Bevacqua
SS-Houston Jimenez
OF-Larry Littleton
OF-Otto Velez
OF-Arthur Hauger

KCGHOST
04-21-2006, 02:52 PM
In the modern era some of the single season bad boys by range were:

100 - 199 IP's Leo Sweetland 7.71
200 - 299 IP's Pedro Astacio 6.23
300 - 399 IP's Snake Wiltse 5.13
400+ IP's Joe Mc Ginnity 2.43

JohnGelnarFan
04-21-2006, 03:20 PM
Quite a List. I looked them up. You're right! I didn't know that Ross Grimsley's father played in the majors. One that might be left off is my all-time favorite player,Del Unser. His one year(72') in Cleveland wasn't......very good.They shipped him out in a hurry. He was better than these guys though! I do have a soft spot for Gustavo Gil though because he was a Pilot!



I made up my own list, and some of them are short-timers. I hope you can stomach this
P-Jose Roman
P-Jeff Mutis
P-Denis Boucher
P-Ross Grimsley
C-Scooter Tucker
1B-Bill Schwartz
2B-Gus Gil
3B-Kurt Bevacqua
SS-Houston Jimenez
OF-Larry Littleton
OF-Otto Velez
OF-Arthur Hauger

RedSoxVT92
04-23-2006, 06:08 PM
A more recent player to come to mind with a high ERA is Hideo Nomo. In 2004 his ERA was 8.24 in 84.0 innings. In 2005 he had a 7.24 ERA in 100.7 innings. Another player from Tampa Bay, Dewon Brazelton had a 7.61 ERA in 71.0 innings last year. Ouch, that hurts for the D-rays.

flash143817
04-24-2006, 05:22 AM
Scott Elarton, in 2001, posted an ERA of 7.06 in 132 2/3 IP. He also managed to allow 34 HR's that year in only 132 innings! :eek:

redbuck
05-10-2006, 08:20 PM
Eric Milton had the 5th lowest ERA ever for a pitcher who started at least 34 games last year.

This topic was in Baseball Digest a few months ago.

JohnGelnarFan
05-12-2006, 11:22 AM
How did he keep getting thrown out there? The rest of the staff must have been brutal!! You guys have come up with some great examples.
Camilo Pascual had a few yeras like this before he became a very good pitcher.

1955 43 games,129 Innings 2-12 6.14 E.R.A.
1956 39 games,188.2 Innings 6-18 5.87 E.R.A.
These are almost good compared to some above!





Scott Elarton, in 2001, posted an ERA of 7.06 in 132 2/3 IP. He also managed to allow 34 HR's that year in only 132 innings! :eek:

baseball=my life
06-16-2006, 02:40 PM
what was Nolan Ryan's era. Im jus curious.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
07-01-2006, 10:20 PM
Josh Towers' ERA is 9.11 through 54.1 innings. He has had 12 starts and is now on his second stint in the minors. He is 1-9.

PS Nolan Ryan's career ERA was 3.19.

hbinways
07-01-2006, 10:59 PM
Eric Milton had the 5th lowest ERA ever for a pitcher who started at least 34 games last year.

This topic was in Baseball Digest a few months ago.

i assume you mean 'highest". yeah, one of the worst ever, easy. i watched him all yeah, unfortunately :ughh . it got me to thinking he might have had the worst season of any fulltime starter ever. but who were the 4 guys "ahead" of him- with worse ERAs? thanx in advance red.

oh yeah, another question. who has the worst adjusted ERAs ever at each level- 1,000, 2000, 3000 IP, etc? anybody know?

HDH
04-21-2007, 09:44 PM
How about single season Starters? I guess this could be a seperate thread. Some come to mind:

1) Bobo Newsome 1938 Browns 20-16 5.08 E.R.A.
2) Rick Helling 1998 Rangers 20-7 4.41
3) Jim Merritt 1970 Reds 20-12 4.08
4) Dan Spillner 1980 Indians 16-11 5.29
5) Len Barker 1980 Indians 19-12 4.17

These are,of course,before this crazy era of 4.25 E.R.A.s being respectable!


I used to think Ron Bryant's 1973 season where he posted a 24-12 record with a 3.53 ERA was terrible.

Utter Chaos
05-11-2007, 11:36 AM
I doubt Jeff Weaver will get many more chances to improve on the 0-6 record and 14.32 ERA he currently has.

Jose Lima had more than one year with a high ERA
2006 - 0 wins 4 loses 17.3 innings 9.87 ERA
2005 - 5 wins 16 loses 168.7 innings 6.99 ERA
2002 - 4 wins 6 loses 68.3 innings 7.77 ERA
2001 - 6 wins 12 loses 165.7 innings 5.54 ERA
2000 - 7 wins 16 loses 196.3 innings 6.65 ERA
1996 - 5 wins 6 loses 72.7 innings 5.70 ERA
1995 - 3 wins 9 loses 73.7 innings 6.11 ERA

utterchaos jr.
05-24-2007, 02:03 PM
Every year he's not horrible, he's a pretty good player.

But...he has to work on the W/L thing and ERA :hyper:

National Acrobat
06-05-2007, 12:02 PM
A more recent player to come to mind with a high ERA is Hideo Nomo. In 2004 his ERA was 8.24 in 84.0 innings. In 2005 he had a 7.24 ERA in 100.7 innings. Another player from Tampa Bay, Dewon Brazelton had a 7.61 ERA in 71.0 innings last year. Ouch, that hurts for the D-rays.

Casey Fossum for the Rays is working on that as well this year. Only Maddon putting him in the Bullpen may prevent him from pitching over 100 innings with an ERA over 7.00 for the season.

Francoeurstein
10-18-2008, 06:02 PM
Randy Johnson managed to have a solid season despite an ERA of 5.00.
He was 17-11 with 172 strikeouts and 114 ER in 205 innings. I wonder how he managed to have half of that ERA 4 seasons previous to that.

janduscframe
10-19-2008, 09:53 AM
I wonder if this is a record. Derrick Turnbow's 6.87 era in 56 innings a couple seasons ago... After all he was a member of the All Star team in 06 when he posted those numbers. (he collapsed big time after the break)

buppers
10-19-2008, 09:18 PM
Using baseball-reference.com play index I found 13 pitchers with 20 or more starts with an ERA of 7.00+. Including 2 Phillies from 1930 who actually came in 1 and 2. Sweetland and Willoughby with 7.71 and 7.59 with 27 and 24 GS.

There were a total of 139 pitchers with 20 or more starts with an ERA of 6.00+. AMAZING!!!

eD

Imgran
10-20-2008, 08:42 AM
I wonder if this is a record. Derrick Turnbow's 6.87 era in 56 innings a couple seasons ago... After all he was a member of the All Star team in 06 when he posted those numbers. (he collapsed big time after the break)


How does that compare in terms of pure suck over innings pitched with Jimmy Gobble's 8.81 ERA over 31 2/3 innings? A bit of a "quality over quantity" debate if you wilL!

cbenson5
06-05-2011, 04:52 PM
Jose Lima earned a spot on this thread with a 5.26 era in over 1500 innings.

JCincy
06-23-2011, 06:25 AM
Joe Nuxhall, 1944
ERA: 67.50
At the age of 15 he pitched 2/3rds of inning for the Cincinnati Reds in 1944. He allowed 5 earned runs, 2 hits and 5 walks.
:)

He did return 8 years later... and finished his career with an average ERA of 3.9.

LVW
11-03-2013, 10:03 AM
10 worst ERAs in a 30+ save season:

1. Brad Lidge 2009 7.21 ERA 31 Sv- also the worst ERA for a 20+ Sv season
2. Shawn Chacon 2004 7.11 ERA 35 Sv
3. Mike Henneman 1996 5.79 ERA 31 Sv
4. Todd Worrell 1997 5.28 ERA 35 Sv
5. Brad Lidge 2006 5.28 ERA 32 Sv
6. Dave Veres 1999 5.14 ERA 31 Sv
7. Joe Borowski 1997 5.07 ERA 45 Sv- worst ERA for a 40+ Sv season(2nd worst Brian Wilson 2008 4.62 ERA 41 Sv).
8. Jeff Montgomery 4.98 ERA 36 Sv
9. Jose Mesa 1999 4.98 ERA 33 Sv
10. Billy Koch 2001 4.80 ERA 36 Sv.

50+ Sv season- John Smoltz 2002 3.25 ERA 55 Sv
10+ Sv season Mike Perez 1994 8.71 ERA 12 Sv