All-time Philladelphia Phillies team

[Knick9]

What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

1B:Nap Lajoie
2B:Mickey Morandini
3B:Scott Rolen
SS:Mike Schmidt
C:Mike Lieberthal
LF:Richie Ashburn
CF:Cy Williams
RF:Gavvy Cravath
Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
Billy Hamilton (1800's)
Sherry Magee
Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)
Chuck Klein (1B/OF)

SP:Curt Schilling
Steve Carlton
Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
Jim Bunning
Eppa Rixey

RP/CP:Robin Roberts
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
Syl Johnson

Manager: Danny Ozark

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Note:The reason for the new all-time team thread is so I can experiment with other all-time teams. You can keep the other thread but there is a different reason for this all-time thread.

[donzblock]

What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

1B:Chuck Klein (OF)
2B:Mickey Morandini
3B:Scott Rolen
SS:Mike Schmidt
C:Mike Lieberthal
LF:Richie Ashburn
CF:Cy Williams
RF:Gavvy Cravath
Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
Billy Hamilton (1800's)
Sherry Magee
Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)

SP:Curt Schilling
Steve Carlton
Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
Jim Bunning
Eppa Rixey

RP/CP:Robin Roberts
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
Syl Johnson

Manager: Danny Ozark
Now surely you are joking about Morandini and Lieberthal. How did Klein end up on first, why is Ashburn in left, and how did Schmidt end up playing shortstop? I would rather see Carl Braun playing shortstop and Harry Gallatin at second base. And how could you omit Sweetwater Clifton? And doesn't Ray Felix merit at least honorable mention? And is it my imagination or have you completely overlooked Ernie Vandeweghe, Max Zazlofsky, Jim Bechtold, the McGuire boys, Ray Lumpp, and Walter Dukes?

[Kroxquo]

What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

1B:Chuck Klein (OF)
2B:Mickey Morandini
3B:Scott Rolen
SS:Mike Schmidt
C:Mike Lieberthal
LF:Richie Ashburn
CF:Cy Williams
RF:Gavvy Cravath
Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
Billy Hamilton (1800's)
Sherry Magee
Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)

SP:Curt Schilling
Steve Carlton
Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
Jim Bunning
Eppa Rixey

RP/CP:Robin Roberts
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
Syl Johnson

Manager: Danny Ozark

You've posted this team as a joke, right? Professor Don has already hit on the highlights of the ridiculousness of this team (Morandini?, Lieberthal?, Klein at first?, Ashburn in left?, Schmidt at SS?) but here are a few more -

- Does the name Robin Roberts, the most dominant pitcher in the NL for nearly decade mean anything to you?

- Mentioning Mickey Morandini at second when Napoleon Lajoie had some of his greatest years with the Phils is absurd. Actually, mentioning Mickey Morandini ahead of even Dave Cash or Tony Taylor is absurd.

- Cy Williams should not come anywhere near cracking this lineup ahead of Delahanty, Thompson, Hamilton, or even Bobby Callison or Greg Luzinski.

- At catcher does the name Bob Boone mean anything to you? Or Darren Daulton? or even Spud Davis?

- The Professor must be having an off-day in not mentioning the fact that you mistakenly included Bobby Abreu on your list.

Go back and look through the old threads here in the Phils forum and check out the polls for greatest player at each position as well the already existing all-time Phils team thread.

[Knick9]

I know that I won't make everyone happy with my picks, which is why I give others the 'go ahead' to post their own all-time team.

-Bobby Abreu, for one, has a good hitting %, which has been good enough for his career in Philly.

-I have Robin Roberts included, he apparently was at his best in save oppurtunities.

-I never think of myself as a professor, but I know you were joking. ;)

-It is hard to choose from a team that has as long of a history as the Phillies. I expected to see comments because of the history alone.

-You have a point on Nap Lajoie.

-No changes to my starting Catcher.

[chanceron]

Your team of course has some greats, my first thought is at SS. I believe putting Mike Schmidt there is a bit of a stretch. He played 24 games at SS for the Phillies, which to me doesnt put him ahead of Larry Bowa and (Rowdy Richard) Bartell. Bowa helped the Phils to NL east titles in 76, 77, and 78 not to mention the 1980 World Champions. If Bowa wasnt there I dont believe the Phils would have done all that. And Rowdy was a 20's player that hit over 300 twice for the Phils, before they traded him away as most good Phillies were back then. He continued to play 18 years and was a spark plug for 3 world series teams, which I admire more than just raw numbers. The Phils did get Tom Thevenow and Claude Willoughby for him (i had look up those guys). I mean WHO would remember them. So sorry Rolan, Schmidt belongs at 3B. Thats my 2 cents worth.

[donzblock]

-I have Robin Roberts included, he apparently was at his best in save oppurtunities.
That is true about Roberts. He distrusted the stock market intensely.

Would you be kind enough to explain how Danny Ozark became the all-time Phillies' manager over John Felske or Terry Francona?

[Clockwork]

C: Bob Boone
1B: John Kruk
2B: Placido Polanco (for lack of better options - I compared him to Manny Trillo and Mickey Morandini and I decided to go with him since he's batted pretty well for us)
SS: Larry Bowa
3B: Mike Schmidt
LF: Ed Delhanty
CF: Richie Ashburn
RF: Chuck Klein

Bench:
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Abreu
Jimmy Rollins
Darren Daulton


SP:
Steve Carlton
Grover Cleveland Alexander
Robin Roberts
Jim Bunning
Curt Schilling

RP:
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Mitch Williams


Need to fill it out with 5 more relievers and bench players. I'll do that later.

[GIANT]

Now surely you are joking about Morandini and Lieberthal. How did Klein end up on first, why is Ashburn in left, and how did Schmidt end up playing shortstop? I would rather see Carl Braun playing shortstop and Harry Gallatin at second base. And how could you omit Sweetwater Clifton? And doesn't Ray Felix merit at least honorable mention? And is it my imagination or have you completely overlooked Ernie Vandeweghe, Max Zazlofsky, Jim Bechtold, the McGuire boys, Ray Lumpp, and Walter Dukes?

Lest we forget Kenny Sears, Ron Sobie, Frank Selvy, Charlie Tyra, "Jumpin" Johnny Green, Guy Sparrow and Willie "The Whale" Naulls, Bob Nordman and Phil Jordon.

[GIANT]

Andy Seminick Catcher
Greg Luzinski First Base
Granny Hamner Second Base
Larry Bowa Shortstop
Mike Schmidt Third Base
Chuck Klein Left Field
Richie Ashburn Centerfield
Del Enis Right Field
Robin Roberts RHP
Steve Carlton LHP
Jim Konstanty Right Handed Reliever
Tug McGraw Left Handed Reliever
Dallas Green Manager

[HDH]

C Jack Clement
1B Ed Delehanty
2B Nap LaJoie
SS Dick Bartell
3B Mike Schmidt
CF Billy Hamilton
RF Chuck Klein
LF Sam Thompson


CF Richi Ashburn
C Bob Boone

SP Pete Alexander
SP Steve Carlton
SP Eppa Rixey
SP Robin Roberts
SP Tully Sparks

RP Tug McGraw

[FrenchyLefebvre]

Hi
Just found this forum so forgive belated reply. But, GEEZ, fans!
I know 1993 was special (I loved the movie "Major League" too! Same thing). But to see Kruk (and the Bull) over Pete Rose at first? NO mention of Rose at all??! Last I heard, those 4256 hits weren't in question, nor how he played and his influence on the teams he PLAYED on until he became a manager.
Philly forgets what he meant to our team when he was here?? He did a HECK of a lot more for the Phillies than Dutch, Kruk & Lenny combined. And he played almost every single day, every season, injuries non withstanding.
This is like forever avoiding listening to classic Jackson Five and 1982-1983's biggest hits because of Present-Day Weird Ma -- er "person". (Although he's worse than Rose, still can't go back and wipe the talent/songs from all existance/memories).
And Mickey Moooorandini over Manny Trillo??

[donzblock]

Where's Pancho Herrera?

[DykstraFan04]

I'm sure we could stick many many players in this list.. I vote for Wes Chamberlain, Mitch Williams, and Jeremy Giambi... Give him a couple more months and you can add Tim Worrell too!

[Imapotato]

C-Jack Clements
1b-Fred Luderus
2b-Granny Hamner (i know he was a SS but 2b stunk for us)
3B-Schmidt
SS-Mickey Doolan
LF-Sherry Magee (my fav player of all time over Big Ed)
CF-Dode Paskert (just one of my favs over Hamilton)
RF-Chuck Klein

P-Steve Carlton
P-Pete ALexander
P-Robin Roberts
P-Eppa Rixey
P-Erskine Mayer

notables
LF Ed Delahanty
RF Johnny Calison
CF Cy Williams
CF Roy Thomas
CF Billy Hamilton
RF Sam Thompson
C Spud Davis
CF Richie Ashburn
1B John Kruk
CF Lenny Dykstra
2b Tony Taylor
SS Larry Bowa
LF Del Ennis
2b Juan Samuel
C Darren Daulton
2b Otto Knabe
CF Garry Maddox

Knabe was a sac fly king...Ennis over Luzinski...just because he was more all around a better player...I tried to pick and choose positions but the Phillies have been weak at C and 1B while really heavy in CF
Pete Rose, Nap Lajoie and Elmer Flick are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...they are associated with another team (Reds and Naps) if you ask any baseball historian

Pitching Notables

Tully Sparks
Earl Moore "Crossfire"!!
Curt Schilling
Chris Short ( a forgotten Philly legacy)
"The Curveless Wonder" AL Orth
Jim Bunning
Robert Person (I just loved Robert on the mound and he was a nice man)
Curt Simmons

[FrenchyLefebvre]

<<<Pete Rose, Nap ... are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...>>>>

Imapotato, you've got me totally perplexed, as you have Lenny Dykstra (Mr. '86 Met) and John Kruk ON your list. These guys did more for the Phillies over more years/games than Rose did? Or were there even more contenders/playoff appearances with those guys?
I'll bet Von Hayes and Juan Samuel produced more -- and for more years -than those two (plus Dutch, due to always being injured). :lookitup
If this thread was for "favorite", no confusion. But Greatest Phillies??
My list would be almost identical to most posted with the exception of Dutch, Lenny & Kruk --and not leaving out Garry Lee (on some). They had ONE really GREAT year together (as Phillies). But, individually, it's an insult, IMO, to the GREAT Phillies to lump 'em in there ;>)

[iPod]

<<<Pete Rose, Nap ... are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...>>>>

Imapotato, you've got me totally perplexed, as you have Lenny Dykstra (Mr. '86 Met) and John Kruk ON your list. These guys did more for the Phillies over more years/games than Rose did? Or were there even more contenders/playoff appearances with those guys?
I'll bet Von Hayes and Juan Samuel produced more -- and for more years -than those two (plus Dutch, due to always being injured). :lookitup
If this thread was for "favorite", no confusion. But Greatest Phillies??
My list would be almost identical to most posted with the exception of Dutch, Lenny & Kruk --and not leaving out Garry Lee (on some). They had ONE really GREAT year together (as Phillies). But, individually, it's an insult, IMO, to the GREAT Phillies to lump 'em in there ;>)

He means that since Pete Rose spent so much time and had all his personal best years with the Reds, it would be kind of silly to put him on a Phillies team. Likewise, with Nap and the Indians.

[speanroc]

- Does the name Robin Roberts, the most dominant pitcher in the NL for nearly decade mean anything to you?

nicley put...........robin roberts won 286 games........and was part of the 1950 wiz kids , so he has to be in the rotation..........





and ho can u move ashburn to left he was one of the best fielding center fielders all time............

[Imapotato]

<<<Pete Rose, Nap ... are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...>>>>

Imapotato, you've got me totally perplexed, as you have Lenny Dykstra (Mr. '86 Met) and John Kruk ON your list. These guys did more for the Phillies over more years/games than Rose did? Or were there even more contenders/playoff appearances with those guys?
I'll bet Von Hayes and Juan Samuel produced more -- and for more years -than those two (plus Dutch, due to always being injured). :lookitup
If this thread was for "favorite", no confusion. But Greatest Phillies??
My list would be almost identical to most posted with the exception of Dutch, Lenny & Kruk --and not leaving out Garry Lee (on some). They had ONE really GREAT year together (as Phillies). But, individually, it's an insult, IMO, to the GREAT Phillies to lump 'em in there ;>)

That's why they are only notables

Dykstra, Kruk more success with Philly then their previous teams...
If I used just best players...I could put Joe Morgan at 2b, right?

There has to be a limit
Pete Rose is a Red, always will be

[Kroxquo]

That's why they are only notables

Dykstra, Kruk more success with Philly then their previous teams...
If I used just best players...I could put Joe Morgan at 2b, right?

There has to be a limit
Pete Rose is a Red, always will be

Why does there have to be a limit? When you consider just his years with the Phillies, Nap Lajoie pretty clearly the best second baseman the Phils have ever had. Tony Taylor would probably be a distant second on service time. Pete Rose is arguably the best first baseman the Phils have ever had when you consider just the years that he spent with the team. This doesn't change the fact that Rose's most productive years came as a Red or Lajoie's as a Nap. It's just that when considering time of service with the Phils they are the best at their positions. I could probably put together a whole team of best players who played for the Phils (Jimmie Foxx would start at first base ahead of Rose), but that doesn't make them the best Phillies ever. For the record here's my all-time Phils team:

C - Darren Daulton
1B - Pete Rose
2B - Napoleon Lajoie
3B - Mike Schmidt
SS - Larry Bowa
LF - Ed Delahanty
CF - Billy Hamilton (Apologies to Whitey)
RF - Sam Thompson
SP - Grover Alexander
Steve Carlton
Robin Roberts
Jim Bunning
Curt Schilling
RP - Tug McGraw

[FrenchyLefebvre]

<<<Dykstra, Kruk more success with Philly then their previous teams...
If I used just best players...I could put Joe Morgan at 2b, right?>>>

Imapotato, Just so we're on the same wavelength, perhaps you mean players who had their best years as Phillies, then?


<<<There has to be a limit
Pete Rose is a Red, always will be>>>

Thing is, between 1979 and 1983, he wasn't.
He was here, becoming one of the Greatest Phillies Ever with his impact :gt
And can't help it; I still can't think "Dykstra" without thinking of those Mets.
Kroxquo,
Only disagree with Dutch, IMO. Batting Average around 240-something as a Phil. And just too inconsistent (always hurt, 4 seasons with 100+ games).

Here's something funny: He had 19 more RBI over 13 1/2 years here than MJS had home runs :D
In all seriousness, though: While they may be favorites, IMO, just can't consider any 1993 Phils as All Time Phillies. No matter how much I respect you fans' (other) views :)

Matter of fact, IMO, think Von Hayes, our Ol' 5 for 1 buddy, had a better (Phillies career) stat impact with us than any of them did.

[Imapotato]

Why does there have to be a limit? When you consider just his years with the Phillies, Nap Lajoie pretty clearly the best second baseman the Phils have ever had. Tony Taylor would probably be a distant second on service time. Pete Rose is arguably the best first baseman the Phils have ever had when you consider just the years that he spent with the team. This doesn't change the fact that Rose's most productive years came as a Red or Lajoie's as a Nap. It's just that when considering time of service with the Phils they are the best at their positions. I could probably put together a whole team of best players who played for the Phils (Jimmie Foxx would start at first base ahead of Rose), but that doesn't make them the best Phillies ever. For the record here's my all-time Phils team:

C - Darren Daulton
1B - Pete Rose
2B - Napoleon Lajoie
3B - Mike Schmidt
SS - Larry Bowa
LF - Ed Delahanty
CF - Billy Hamilton (Apologies to Whitey)
RF - Sam Thompson
SP - Grover Alexander
Steve Carlton
Robin Roberts
Jim Bunning
Curt Schilling
RP - Tug McGraw

As for Lajoie, I sort of agree, but Lajoie had a team named after him! I mean, how could one think of Nap as a Philly and not a Nap?

As for Rose, nah I think Fred Luderus did more for the Phillies then he ever did
Basically the only givens are OF and 3b...sad isn't it?

[Clockwork]

I'm surprised no one has voted for Benito Santiago or Todd Zeile. And where oh where are the Kevin Sefcik votes? :grouchy

[Mariano_Rivera]

Can a mod who is knowledgabke about Phillies history add a poll to this thread?

I want the results for the All-Time position by position battle. I have a thread about it in the history forum if you're interested.

[soberdennis]

What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

1B:Nap Lajoie
2B:Mickey Morandini
3B:Scott Rolen
SS:Mike Schmidt
C:Mike Lieberthal
LF:Richie Ashburn
CF:Cy Williams
RF:Gavvy Cravath
Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
Billy Hamilton (1800's)
Sherry Magee
Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)
Chuck Klein (1B/OF)

SP:Curt Schilling
Steve Carlton
Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
Jim Bunning
Eppa Rixey

RP/CP:Robin Roberts
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
Syl Johnson

Manager: Danny Ozark

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Note:The reason for the new all-time team thread is so I can experiment with other all-time teams. You can keep the other thread but there is a different reason for this all-time thread.
I find it interesting that a HOFer is relegated to the Bullpen.(Roberts)
Where is Jim Konstanty?
I know I am responding to a year old post. It is not me that keeps bringing up these old threads.

[W_Marone]

Your all time PHillies lineup is simply terrible. Morandini at second? Chase utley has already surpassed him.

Joe Morgan at second...1983 baby! Hahaha, and that was a joke.

[Ubiquitous]

He made the list before the 2005 season. At the time Ultey was a .257/.313/.436 hitter that had played 137 games.

[Mariano_Rivera]

Can somebody please add a poll

[W_Marone]

I'd put Boone or Dalton over Lieberthal 9 days out of 10 too, but Semenick 10 days out of 10.

And I think you have to put Schmidt at thirdbase....He didnt play SS all that much, almost not at all, although he did play a little SS.

[W_Marone]

C: Andy Semenick
1st: Dick Allen
2nd: Juan Samuel
SS: Larry Bowa
3rd: Michael Jack Scmidt
CF: Richie Ashburn
RF: Johnny Callison
LF: Billy Hamilton

Pitchers:
Steve Carlton
Jim Bunning
Robin Roberts
Curt Schilling
Grover Clevland Alexander

Relievers:
Tug McGraw
Turk Farrel
Gene Garber

Bench:
Greg Luzinski
Gary Maddox
Scott Rolen
Bake McBride
Bob Boone

[Mr. Met]

Mickey Morandi :hp