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Hammerin Hank
03-07-2005, 11:24 AM
Who will lead the Braves in wins?
Hammerin Hank
03-07-2005, 11:30 AM
My predictions:
Hudson: 19
Smoltz: 14
Hampton: 13
Ramirez: 13
Thomson: 10
grizzly451
03-07-2005, 12:39 PM
This is of course assuming people stay healthy
Hudson: 18
Smoltz: 15
Thompson: 14
Hampton: 13
Ramirez: 10
yellowdog
03-07-2005, 12:40 PM
Hudson 20
Smoltz 16
Ramirez 15
Hampton 14
Thomson 10
There always seems to be one guy who doesn't get any run support. I'm predicting that this year it wll be Thomson.
Hammerin Hank
03-07-2005, 12:47 PM
Hudson 20
Smoltz 16
Ramirez 15
Hampton 14
Thomson 10
There always seems to be one guy who doesn't get any run support. I'm predicting that this year it wll be Thomson.
75 wins among the starters??
yellowdog
03-07-2005, 06:20 PM
75 wins among the starters??
Yeah, I figure as long as we're making predictions I might as well shoot for the moon. Besides, I'm feeling especially optimistic with Hudson and Smoltz in the rotation. But I have a good feeling about this year's team, which probably means we'll suck. :laugh
PureBaseballFan
03-07-2005, 07:37 PM
It is hard to predict how many wins they will each get since every single one if they avoid injury all have to stuff to win at least 15 games.
Hudson - 17
Smoltz - 15
Hampton - 13
Thomson - 15
Ramirez - 13
Hammerin Hank
03-07-2005, 11:06 PM
Yeah, I figure as long as we're making predictions I might as well shoot for the moon. Besides, I'm feeling especially optimistic with Hudson and Smoltz in the rotation. But I have a good feeling about this year's team, which probably means we'll suck. :laugh
It may be unlikely but it could happen.
yellowdog
03-08-2005, 06:30 AM
It's not out of the realm of possibility, Hank, but I'll admit it is a bold prediction. Everyone will have to stay healthy and the Braves will have to play good as a team. Some people seem to think this will be our best rotation ever. (I'm not sure I agree with that.) I still contend our '93 rotation deserves that distinction. Those starters won 79 games and that was with Pete Smith, the fifth starter, only winning four. So it could happen. I don't know that it will, after all, were just having fun guessing. But I think this bunch will be awful good. If it means anything (and it probably doesn't) they've gone through the rotation one time this spring and have combined for 10 scoreless innings so far.
Atlanta Braves Freak
03-08-2005, 06:33 AM
I think everybody is overlooking Mike Hampton, he will lead the Braves in wins and accumulate 17 wins and make the All-Star team.
burger eater
03-08-2005, 10:39 AM
I think everybody is overlooking Mike Hampton, he will lead the Braves in wins and accumulate 17 wins and make the All-Star team.
Mike "the foosball character" Hampton? No way he'll win more than Hudson.
The AS team... ehhhhh, I don't know.
ATL22
03-08-2005, 10:41 AM
With the starting rotation being the strength of this team, I think the Braves really are hoping to get 65-75 wins from that group. We don't really know what to expect from the middle relief yet, and we're only hoping that the offense will score enough runs to support our starters. So I think we're really hoping that if the offense puts at least 4 runs on the board each night, the starters will hold the opponents to 3 runs or less about 70% of the time. Then, considering the bullpen will blow leads on occasion and the offense won't always be able to manage even 4 runs, that should translate into about a .580 to .590 winning percentage or roughly 95 wins for the season.
So basically what I'm trying to say is that it's a lofty goal for the starters to win 65-75 games, but with them being the strength of this team, I think that management is really hoping for that kind of production from them. Then whatever extra they get from the offense or the bullpen will just be gravy.
My lofty predictions:
Smoltz - 14 wins
Hudson - 19 wins
Thomson - 16 wins
Hampton - 17 wins
Ramirez - 10 wins
That's 76 wins which is just a hair higher than Yellowdog's prediction, but I don't think it's unrealistic if everybody stays healthy and pitches up to their potential all year long. Hampton is due to put a good first half and second half together, and Thomson has been upping his win total by one or two each of the past couple of seasons. Hudson should excel and will have the edge over the NL hitters who've never seen him before on his first trip through the NL lineups. For Smoltz, it's just a matter of staying within himself and not trying to over-do it. We know what he can do. Ramirez has been improving from day one in the big leagues and his arm should have plenty of rest as he gets skipped on occasion as the 5th starter.
foxxx
03-08-2005, 02:01 PM
Hudson-20 wins
Smoltz-17 wins
Ramirez-15 wins
Hampton-15 wins
Thompson-12 wins
Thats 79 wins all together, its a lot I know, and it is of course if everyone else is healthy but I honestly think this is possible, maybe even breaking the 80 win mark. I think it will be less about the pitchers pitching well and more about the offense though. Like someone else said they all have the stuff to win 15, they are certainly better than the Cardinals pitchers who all got 15 wins last year, thats why I hate and love the wins stat because its not all about the pitchers.
yellowdog
03-08-2005, 02:25 PM
ATL22 raised a point that I've been wondering about. That is how Bobby is planning to use the fifth starter? He used to always skip the fifth starter unless they played five games on consecutive days. And in most of those years, there was always one guy who was either more inexperienced or just a pitcher of much lesser quality than the other four.
But in the last couple of years he has shown a tendancy to pitch each guy every fifth game regardless of days off. This year with 5 quality starters, I'm wondering what his plans are. Will he skip Ramirez until he feels like his shoulder is 100%? Or will he just go with a five man rotation from the start in order to minimize the wear and rear on Smoltz early in the season? I'm guessing he'll make adjustments as the season progresses but I'm just wondering how he'll use the rotation early. Have you heard anything, or have any thoughts, along these lines, ATL22?
I don't think 79 wins is at all out of the question for this group, foxx. It's been done before. If these guys can stay healthy, pitch up to their capabilites, and our hitters can produce then I think all of our starters can have big years.
ATL22
03-08-2005, 04:03 PM
Yellowdog, the Braves have a pretty grueling stretch of 22 games in the first 23 days of the regular season, so I think Bobby will be forced to use the fifth starter more than he otherwise might early in the season. After that, I think it depends on how Ramirez is doing health-wise and production-wise. Being the cautious person he is, I think Bobby will skip Horacio's turn when there's an off day in the first month or two of the season just to ease him back into his role. But if he's doing fine, after that I expect he'll just use a 5 man rotation regardless. Once Horacio proves he's 100%, it will likely be difficult for him to be productive if he's pitching on a non-routine schedule with 4 days between some starts and 10 days to 2 weeks between other starts. With Smoltz's elbow, Hudson's hip, and Hampton's knee, I don't think an extra day of rest between starts from time to time will bother them much at all, especially if Horacio is pitching like he did last year.
Atlanta Braves Freak
03-08-2005, 07:00 PM
I chose Mike Hampton to lead the team in wins, because Tim Hudson will have so much pressure on him to succeed. Yeah, new scenery could help, but then again when you have to come to your home state and perform as the team's ace it has to be tough.
My predictions:
John Smoltz- 15-8
Horacio Ramirez- 13-9
Tim Hudson- 16-6
Mike Hampton- 17-10
John Thomson- 13-11
74 wins for the SP, 44 loses for the SP. 20 wins for the bullpen, 24 loses.
Can I get some agreement? :(
Everybody calls my predictions absurd! :evil
:D :D
yellowdog
03-08-2005, 08:43 PM
Your predictions aren't absurd at all. But you are predicting a 94-68 record. Excluding the strike-shortened seasons of '94 and '95, that would be the second lowest win total for the Braves since '91. (The only won 88 in '01.) I have a little higher hopes for this team. Depending on how strong and/or balanced the division is, 94 may or may not be enough to win it again. But it should be enough for the Wild Card.
I'm usually the skeptic, but this year I'm feeling unusually good about this team. Of course, I don't really have anything to base that on other than a gut feeling. But I think this team will win close to 100 games, if not more. I just can't wait for the regular season to get here so we can see how it all plays out.
ATL22, I didn't realize the Braves played 22 out of the first 23 days of the season so Cox will definetly have to use a five man rotation through that. By then he should have a pretty good idea on how to play it. None of these guys, in my mind, need to be skipped over unless their health dictates it. So I look for him to play it much like he did last year unless any of them suffer new or re-occuring injuries. Let's just hope that doesn't happen!
Atlanta Braves Freak
03-09-2005, 06:04 AM
94-68 isn't bad at all, not bad for the Braves or any team. I think 100 wins is a little too much to predict, because we have a pitcher coming into a new league, a pitcher who hasn't started in 5 years, and a pitcher coming off a big injury. We might be able to win 100 games, but mid-90's sounds more realistic. And who knows 95 wins could win the division, I'm still not real high on the NL East, we're jsut looking at the Mets and Marlins on paper, who knows if they'll produce.
Perseas
03-09-2005, 06:20 AM
I think Hudson will be dominant and close up on the 20 win mark... I hope his batting duties don't distract him too much from the job at hand. But I guess Bobby and Leo have that on their minds and it should not be too hard for Tim to adjust.
Atlanta Braves Freak
03-09-2005, 06:28 AM
Hitting won't be hard for Hudson, I saw him during interleague play one time, and he looked like he had some good wheels.
Hammerin Hank
05-02-2005, 03:51 PM
As of 5/01:
Hampton: 3
Smoltz: 2
Hudson: 2
Thomson: 2
Bernero: 2
atlbravesfan
05-09-2005, 05:46 PM
Hudson.
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Hammerin Hank
05-27-2005, 10:53 PM
As of 5/27:
Hudson: 5
Hampton: 4
Smoltz: 3
Thomson: 3
Ramirez: 3
Bernero: 3
Francoeurstein
04-03-2006, 07:03 PM
My predictions are
Hudson 14
Smoltz 14
Ramirez 11
Hampton 5
Thompson 4