The Curse of Brooklyn

[donzblock]

On this happy day, following the defeat of the LA team in the playoffs, I hereby proclaim the Curse of Brooklyn:

May the Chavez Ravine park crumble, may the fans of the LA Abomination be shocked into consciousness so that they will be fully aware of what it means to lose, and may the LA team experience a century of nothing but bitter defeat.

[DODGER DEB]

The Professor has come up with THE CURSE of BROOKLYN; something so appropriate I don't know WHY WE didn't think of it long before this time.

IT is just SO PERFECT!

I have made it into a "sticky", so it will remain OUR FOREVER "SENTIMENT" to that "left coast group".

c.

[LouGehrig]

Why couldn't you have done this before the 1963 WS?

[donzblock]

I was still in shock, Lou, from 1957. I wasn't thinking clearly. Also, the presence of Koufax on that team confused me.

[JACKIE42]

The Curse of Eddie Bennett. Eddie was the Brooklyn team mascot in 1920. He had been the good luck charm the season before with the Chicago White Sox, so he had a resume of sorts. Anyway, Eddie got the 1920 Dodgers into the World Series -- best of nine that fall, against the Indians. The Brooklynites were up two games to one, when they took to the road for four straight in Cleveland. It's not clear who made the next fatal decision, so we may as well blame a skinflint owner. Eddie was left behind.

Feeling betrayed and angry when he was denied the reward of a trip west, Eddie Bennett laid a curse on the Dodgers. The rest is history and you can look it up: Dodger Rube Marquard was arrested for scalping tickets before Game 4; in Game 5, Brooklyn was victimized by the only unassisted triple play to date in Series history (Bill Wambsganss), the first HR by a pitcher (Jim Bagby) and the first World Series grand slam (Elmer Smith.) They went on to lose the Series, and did not get into another one until 1941. Some might say the Curse peaked when the Dodgers moved to California. Eddie? He wound up with the Yankees, where he became the most famous mascot of all time. With Eddie (and another youngster name of Ruth), the Yanks won the next three AL pennants. Eddie got to go to the Series each October -- but his luck was running thin, all three were in NY vs the Giants!

[jaykay]

Why couldn't you have done this before the 1963 WS?
(snipped from Lou)

Sure, but.....
Why couldn't you have done this before the Dodgers left Brooklyn?
In other words, Professor, where were you when we needed you? True, you were still a mere lad in those days, but I have seen many movies in which the curses of young people were the most powerful of all. It was, you will admit, a clutch situation - to say the least. And since you were one of the greatest clutch performers in the history of punchball, would it have been asking too much of you to bring down dire imprecations (for starters) when the fate of the Brooklyn Dodgers was at stake? Here it is 47 years later, and NOW he's ready to put a curse on LA. As the French say: "Sacre bleu." As the Spanish say: "Santa Maria!" As the Tribes of Israel say: "Vey is mir."

If you'd spent less time on your poetry and more on your curses, the Dodgers might still be in Brooklyn.

[DODGER DEB]

The truth is, Jaykay, WHY didn't ANY of US think of this before today? So, I do not think it is fair to "blame" the Professor for what WE all could have done, had WE thought of it. The Professor just thought of it first!

However, there just might be something GOOD in this for US......who knows, if that "left coast group" tires of "OUR BROOKLYN CURSE", they just might pick themselves up, rid themselves of those "double crooked letters", and start all over again in BROOKLYN! You must agree, WE have seen stranger things happen.

c.

[EbtsFldGuy]

On this happy day, following the defeat of the LA team in the playoffs, I hereby proclaim the Curse of Brooklyn:

May the Chavez Ravine park crumble, may the fans of the LA Abomination be shocked into consciousness so that they will be fully aware of what it means to lose, and may the LA team experience a century of nothing but bitter defeat.


This "curse" is only 47 years and 2 world championships late.

There is, of course only one curse in MLB - the one felt by the club which plays in the park closest in size and ambience to our beloved Ebbets Field.

With good fortune, that will end this year. (What Brooklyn Dodger fan could ever root for the crowd from River Avenue and 161st Street)

As for the hope for crumble of Chavez Ravine, I'd say the USA has had its share of that sort of stuff.

[donzblock]

I take full responsibility for not invoking the curse sooner. Why didn't I see then what I had to do? It is so clear now that I will kick myself into the grave for a failure of nerve that lasted 47 years, but the Curse at last has been summoned, and nothing can stop it: it comes from the bowels of Bay Ridge, the solar plexus of Park Slope, and the rumbling horrors of Red Hook. It recalls the fading fields of Flatbush and cries out for revenge, revenge, revenge!

[DODGER DEB]

I take full responsibility for not invoking the curse sooner. Why didn't I see then what I had to do? It is so clear now that I will kick myself into the grave for a failure of nerve that lasted 47 years, but the Curse at last has been summoned, and nothing can stop it: it comes from the bowels of Bay Ridge, the solar plexus of Park Slope, and the rumbling horrors of Red Hook. It recalls the fading fields of Flatbush and cries out for revenge, revenge, revenge!


Could WE get GREENPOINT in there, too?

c.

[donzblock]

From the gangrenous gorges of Greenpoint....

[JACKIE42]

Curse's don't work, in 1957 me and my friends put a curse on the O'M and the LALA,that they would never win a WS, it took them only 2 years to do so, so much for curse's.

[donzblock]

You can't just utter a curse. A good one requires a lot of preparation, intense concentration, and pathological insanity. This one will work.

[The Commissioner]

You can't just utter a curse. A good one requires a lot of preparation, intense concentration, and pathological insanity. This one will work.

Yeah, right. Not a chance.

Sincerely,
Odalis Perez, Jeff Weaver, and Wilson Alvarez

[JACKIE42]

You can't just utter a curse. A good one requires a lot of preparation, intense concentration, and pathological insanity. This one will work.

Believe me Professor we did a lot of preparation, and intense concentration, and we were as crazy as hell. The only thing we didn't do and this could make a difference between your curse and ours, is we didn't actually call what we did a curse it was either a hex or the Bedford Ave. whammy, im not sure which. I remember we built a fire on the play ground at P.S.241 we then did an Indian type war dance and sacrificed a Giant fan, a guy we really hated even had he not been a Giant fan, his parents approved of what we did as they were both Brooklyn fans. Well here's hoping your curse is more affective then what ever the hell we did.

[donzblock]

The sacrifice was a neat but unnecessary touch because you were using a whammy or a hex. Since both are far inferior to curses, the sacrifice was nothing more than overkill. My curse is genuine and, unlike most curses, supported by 47 years of unparalleled futility and aimlessness. And of course your lunacy was just getting started. Mine is fully mature. The LA team might as well be non-existent during this century.

[JACKIE42]

The sacrifice was a neat but unnecessary touch because you were using a whammy or a hex. Since both are far inferior to curses, the sacrifice was nothing more than overkill. My curse is genuine and, unlike most curses, supported by 47 years of unparalleled futility and aimlessness. And of course your lunacy was just getting started. Mine is fully mature. The LA team might as well be non-existent during this century.

Actually the sacrifice was under kill, we wanted to also sacrifice a Yankee fan, but the only one in the neighborhood wasn't home. I agree that a hex and a whammy are inferior to curses, my hope is that yours works, only time will tell. I will be satisfied if your curse lasts as long as the Bambinos.

[donzblock]

Actually the sacrifice was under kill, we wanted to also sacrifice a Yankee fan, but the only one in the neighborhood wasn't home. I agree that a hex and a whammy are inferior to curses, my hope is that yours works, only time will tell. I will be satisfied if your curse lasts as long as the Bambinos.
Sacrificing a Yankee fan might have made the difference.

[tonypug]

A curse. Isn't that what Milton Bradley was yelling at that reporter? The professors curse and Milton Bradley should do the trick.

[donzblock]

Milton Bradley alone would be enough to doom the LA team. The curse will kick in whenever he doesn't play and/or once he departs.

[JACKIE42]

Im not up on LALA baseball, but isn't Milton Bradley the guy who invented the Monopoly game?

[donzblock]

Yes, Milton invented Monopoly, and between his ears he has a pair of loaded dice.

[DODGER DEB]

Yes, Milton invented Monopoly, and between his ears he has a pair of loaded dice.



And just think, it's been said that this "left coast group" doesn't have an "eye" for talent?

c.

[strummer]

I think the place from which a curse emminates contributes significantly to its believeability (rather than credibility). Therefore I would suggest that we refer to the "gangrenous gorges of Greenpoint" and Gravesend", in order to include that wonderful area of Brooklyn from which curses would have to be accepted as true and effective.

[tonypug]

I wonder what Jackie would have to say about Milton Bradley?

[donzblock]

I think the place from which a curse emanates contributes significantly to its believability (rather than credibility). Therefore I would suggest that we refer to the "gangrenous gorges of Greenpoint and Gravesend," in order to include that wonderful area of Brooklyn from which curses would have to be accepted as true and effective.

How could I ignore ghastly Gravesend? Red Hook, however, is on an equal footing with Gravesend, thanks to H. P. Lovecraft, who was not too fond of Brooklyn and who expressed his displeasure by writing "The Horror of Red Hook." Anyway, I've thrown Greenpoint and Gravesend into the cauldron, and suffice it to say that the LA team is absolutely dead for the next century.

[jaykay]

Yes, Milton invented Monopoly, and between his ears he has a pair of loaded dice.

I have been exceedingly patient (for me), waiting for our resident scholars to self-correct, so that this forum remains what so many of us rely on it to be - i.e., a veritable fountain of information, rather than having it become, even in a small way, a puddle of misinformation. (Having contributed my share of the latter, albeit innocently and with the best of intentions, I nevertheless exercise my rights as an experienced dispenser of errata, and call to everyone's attention the following tidbits:

By 1935, Parker Brothers had been in business for over half a century, helping to earn Salem, Massachusetts, the distinction, "games-making capital of the world." In 1935, however, Parker Brothers was digging itself out of the depths of the Great Depression and the strongest shovel at work was MONOPOLY.

In the previous year, Charles B. Darrow of Germantown, Pennsylvania, presented a game called MONOPOLY to Parker Brothers executives. The game was turned down unanimously for violating some sacredly held principles. It was too long, its rules too complicated, and it had no clear-cut finish. Darrow proceeded to produce it on his own and with much success. With help from a friend who was a printer, Darrow sold 5,000 sets to Wanamakers of Philadelphia. After getting wind of the Wanamakers' deal, Parker Brothers reconsidered Darrow's offer and an agreement was struck in early 1935. By mid-February, Parker Brothers was producing 20,000 MONOPOLY sets per week!

So you see, neither Milton Bradley, Clarence Darrow or Madeline Darrow had anything to do with MONOPOLY - at least not directly. (Keep reading, if you dare) The original Milton Bradley is generally credited with having invented the toy business in America, and according to all reports, did enjoy a game of one o'cat in his leisure hours. His company produced such classic games as Chutes And Ladders, Yahtzee, and Scrabble. Milton Bradley (the company, not the man) was acquired by Hasbro in 1984, by which time Bradley (the man, not the company) had gone to his reward without ever having cracked the big leagues in one o'cat. Perhaps the confusion on this thread has resulted from the fact that in 1991 Parker Brothers (the company, not the brothers) was also acquired by Hasbro. This is true, and remains true to this very day. What is not true (although you may read it here if this goes on much longer) is that one of the Hasbro brothers, Myron, was once represented by Clarence Darrow, and that his twin , Byron, once was engaged to Madeline Darrow. It's a small world, but not that small.

Anyway.....that leaves us with Milton Bradley, the man, not the company, who did reach the big leagues with Montreal, now extinct (the team, not the city) until being acquired by Cleveland in 2001, and subsequently by our favorite team, the LAD in 2004. This Milton Bradley is also associated in the minds of many with toys, largely as a result of his throwing things (balls, bottles) at people who don't like him, and - as the Professor has reminded us - having loaded dice in place of a medulla oblongata where it counts most.

I hope my research has helped to restore this forum to its deserved place among the most informative and accurate purveyors of truth, the whole truth, and .....well, okay, let's leave it at that.

[donzblock]

Are you saying that Milton Bradley (the toy man) did not have a monopoly on Monopoly? Also, isn't it true that when Milton died, he had his brain placed inside a Hasbro android, and that machine is one of the many now playing for the LA team? Is it simply a coincidence that Milton Bradley and Milton Bradley have the same name?

[tonypug]

Are you saying that Milton Bradley (the toy man) did not have a monopoly on Monopoly? Also, isn't it true that when Milton died, he had his brain placed inside a Hasbro android, and that machine is one of the many now playing for the LA team? Is it simply a coincidence that Milton Bradley and Milton Bradley have the same name?
They must have left a couple of pieces out of Milton Bradleys android.

[donzblock]

Isn't it also true that the Milton Bradley who fashioned the androids that play for the LA team also fashioned the robotic fans who watch them? It is not easy placing a curse on machines, but intensity and insanity can overcome just about anything.

[DODGER DEB]

Do YOU think OUR newly installed CURSE of BROOKLYN is having a "side effect" on doings in pinstripe territory across the river in the Bronx?

It just could be that WE do have a "connection" with the RED SOX....and wouldn't that be WONDERFUL!!!

c.

[donzblock]

The Curse extends from Malvern, Pennsylvania, all across the country, coast to coast, so you will be seeing residual benefits in places like Boston and the Bronx.

[DODGER DEB]

Perhaps, just perhaps, OUR CURSE had something to do with what happened in the Bronx last night. What do YOU think, Professor?

Those pinstripes really started to "crumble" right after YOU put OUR CURSE in place, so iT did reach over the river into "the house that Ruth built".

Wasn't that game GREAT? That "B" on the cap, though red, not white, really made the "connection" to US!

WE should definitely KEEP OUR CURSE IN PLACE..........like, FOREVER!!! :evil :evil :evil

c.

[donzblock]

Make no mistake about it: the Curse is working on all cylinders and in all tenses. Once it emerged from the grottoes of Gravesend, the Yankees were dead. As for the LA team, their existence will be an illusion for the next century, possibly longer. When I researched this thing, I never did get to the page that explains how it can be turned off.

[JACKIE42]

We may have to give Jackie Robinson some credit for the curse, right after i made my avatar bet with Mattingly the Yankees folded. Just a coincident i think not. :clapping

[donzblock]

We may have to give Jackie Robinson some credit for the curse; right after I made my avatar bet with Mattingly, the Yankees folded. Just a coincidence? I think not! :clapping
The catastrophe that has befallen the Yankees does seem to require several explanations. Your bet with Mattingly no doubt contributed to it, but you have to understand that the Curse was programmed to feed on bets like yours and use them for its own nefarious purposes.

[JACKIE42]

The catastrophe that has befallen the Yankees does seem to require several explanations. Your bet with Mattingly no doubt contributed to it, but you have to understand that the Curse was programmed to feed on bets like yours and use them for its own nefarious purposes.

I think your curse as powerful as it is was intented for the left coast only, i believe the Jackie Robinson curse pertains to the Yankees and the Yankees only. Also any bet made that invokes the name of any member of our team that causes bad things to happen to another team is different from your original curse and should be named after that player. If pushed i will concede that all curses started with yours, and are an off-shoot.

[jaykay]

Make no mistake about it: the Curse is working on all cylinders and in all tenses. Once it emerged from the grottoes of Gravesend, the Yankees were dead. As for the LA team, their existence will be an illusion for the next century, possibly longer. When I researched this thing, I never did get to the page that explains how it can be turned off.

Your last sentence is very disquieting, having been at the heart of literally dozens of horror movies. If it inspires fear that keeps me awake at night, so be it, as I suffer from insomnia anyway.
There may be a shred of hope in the following (which I snipped from a currently-running Red Sox/Yankees curse forum) by someone who evidently did get to the final page of the Van Helsing memoirs. He informs us:


trosmok
Veracious Member Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 1,550

Reverse the curse?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A carrier of a curse can only rid himself of it by passing it to another, usually by sureptitious means.

[End of snip]

So he's not such a great speller. First things first.

Professor, would you care to comment?

[donzblock]

The comment, of course, is absolutely true. However, since I did not place the curse on myself, I don't have to rid myself of it. Even better, I don't have to be concerned about who has it. The LA team has it, and if I croak, they will still have it. It's LA's problem.

[donzblock]

I think your curse, as powerful as it is, was intended for the left coast only. I believe the Jackie Robinson curse pertains to the Yankees and the Yankees only. Also any bet made that invokes the name of any member of our team that causes bad things to happen to another team is different from your original curse and should be named after that player. If pushed I will concede that all curses started with yours, and are an off-shoot.
I didn't realize what forces I was unleashing when I summoned up this monster; it was originally intended to focus exclusively on the Left Coast, but, as you can clearly see, this thing has acquired something of a mind of its own, and I am no longer in complete control of it. The Robinson Curse was a very powerful one, of course, but it has become a mere tributary to this rampaging river of revenge that is now flowing madly over the continent.

[jaykay]

The comment, of course, is absolutely true. However, since I did not place the curse on myself, I don't have to rid myself of it. Even better, I don't have to be concerned about who has it. The LA team has it, and if I croak, they will still have it. It's LA's problem.

Just one more point, Professor. As an informal, unmatriculated student of theology, anatomy, philososphy, cardiology, as well as horror movies, I have reached the conclusion that some day - despite my presumed preference at the moment - I WILL croak. Yet you say, regarding yourself, (and I quote) "...IF I croak..."

I'm sure you are privy to numerous arcane bits of knowledge that have eluded me, but I am particularly interested in this one. What have you heard that I haven't - I mean, about not necessarily croaking, but only IF? Please respond promptly, as I have not been feeling well lately, and don't know how much time I have left.

[donzblock]

I have worked everything out so that I will croak only while I am leaping over the tennis net to accept the congratulations of my opponent.

[jaykay]

Fair enough. But I have heard through the Malvern grapevine that you have not won a tennis match in years, and that you are seriously thinking of giving up the game. Does this therefore mean that you have found the secret of eternal life?

If so, how can I apply your findings to my own situation?
Please hurry, as my temperature this morning was 102.1 degrees. I will be eternally grateful.

[JACKIE42]

Fair enough. But I have heard through the Malvern grapevine that you have not won a tennis match in years, and that you are seriously thinking of giving up the game. Does this therefore mean that you have found the secret of eternal life?

If so, how can I apply your findings to my own situation?
Please hurry, as my temperature this morning was 102.1 degrees. I will be eternally grateful.

When it goes to 105, sell.

[donzblock]

Fair enough. But I have heard through the Malvern grapevine that you have not won a tennis match in years, and that you are seriously thinking of giving up the game. Does this therefore mean that you have found the secret of eternal life?

If so, how can I apply your findings to my own situation?
Please hurry, as my temperature this morning was 102.1 degrees. I will be eternally grateful.
Despite your temperature, you're way ahead of me. I am not thinking of giving up the game. As you probably guessed, I never play it and never go near a tennis court. When I'm sick of the whole thing, I'll find a court with a nice high net. Who wants eternal life? What are you doing about that temperature? Your posting does not seem delirious.

[jaykay]

"Your posting does not seem delirious."


How can you tell the difference? Years ago, the people where I worked did not know I drank until one day I came in sober.

[The Real McCoy]

"Nobody knew I drank until one day I showed up sober".....Shecky Green, Brown's Lakeside Hotel, Catskill NY, Summer, 1959.....If you look real close you may recognize the young goy "behind the stick" in the lounge bar.

[jaykay]

"Nobody knew I drank until one day I showed up sober".....Shecky Green, Brown's Lakeside Hotel, Catskill NY, Summer, 1959.....If you look real close you may recognize the young goy "behind the stick" in the lounge bar.


That line was in use long before 1959. Shecky must have borrowed it from Joe E. Lewis. That's what I did.

[The Real McCoy]

I was merely relating it to my limited and sheltered universe.

However, you may be right, Joe E and Shecky (although Fat Jackie Leonard fits in there somewhere) shared a proclivity for imbiding and horses ("post time!") as evidenced by the following:

"Yeah, I follow the horses, and the horses I follow follow horses"

"I bet a horse that went off a ten to one and he finished at two thirty"

(Reader insert your own rim shot)

[strummer]

Somehow those lines sound like they came from Chico Marx, although they could have been uttered by any of those mentioned.

[donzblock]

And don't forget that you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

[jaykay]

For those who profess an interest in esoterica, Shecky stopped drinking in the early 1970s. (There is no punch line. It means he stopped drinking alcohol. His confession was incorporated into his night club act, which my [first] wife and I had the pleasure of seeing in Las Vegas, on our way to Springfield, Illinois).

As for Joe E. Lewis, his take on imbibing spirits was as follows:
"My doctor told me to stop drinking, or I'd die young. But I don't know...Looking around, I see a lot more old drunks than old doctors."

Jack E. Leonard a shicker? Next you'll be telling me that Henny Youngman was bar mitzvahed when he was in his seventies. (Just thought I'd mention some of my all-time favorites. Here's one more.) Rodney, I miss you already.

[donzblock]

Rodney recalled the time his house caught on fire and his wife said to the kids, "Be quiet. You'll wake up daddy." The Curse is the fire. The fans of the LA team will sleep right through it.

[DODGER DEB]

Rodney recalled the time his house caught on fire and his wife said to the kids, "Be quiet. You'll wake up daddy." The Curse is the fire. The fans of the LA team will sleep right through it.


THEY pretty much sleep through everything else, don't they?

c.

[Augustin_"Gus"]

If I may add a tidbit of information to the Monopoly thing, Charles Darrow didint invent the game more than Milton Bradley did. Mr Darrow merely stole the idea from someone who died poor and alone while Darrow took a bath in a tub full of money every night before going to sleep.

I have a... friend of mine, that's it, a friend who is thinking about putting a curse on the Washington Nationals. Any advice for him?

[donzblock]

You tell your friend to leave those poor Nats alone and to pay attention instead to what is going to happen to the team from LA for the next century. Putting a curse on the Nats is like setting off a nuclear device to get rid of a mouse. Admittedly the team from LA is also small game, but what the hell.

[tonypug]

If I may add a tidbit of information to the Monopoly thing, Charles Darrow didint invent the game more than Milton Bradley did. Mr Darrow merely stole the idea from someone who died poor and alone while Darrow took a bath in a tub full of money every night before going to sleep.

I have a... friend of mine, that's it, a friend who is thinking about putting a curse on the Washington Nationals. Any advice for him?
The Nats already have a curse, it's called Bud Selig.

[donzblock]

Has anybody paid attention to the LA team's brilliant moves during this off-season? The slimy tentacles of the Curse continue to choke the life out of this franchise. It will be a prolonged, slow, exquisitely painful century for the OMites.

[DODGER DEB]

Has anybody paid attention to the LA team's brilliant moves during this off-season? The slimy tentacles of the Curse continue to choke the life out of this franchise. It will be a prolonged, slow, exquisitely painful century for the OMites.


Isn't IT a JOY to behold, Professor.....and WE owe IT all to YOU!

Keep those "slimy tentacles" pulling tighter and tighter......

c.

[tonypug]

The curse is great, anyone who deals with LA gets cursed, just ask the Yankees. They are doing a lot of cursing right now.

[JACKIE42]

The curse is great, anyone who deals with LA gets cursed, just ask the Yankees. They are doing a lot of cursing right now.

Your right Tony, some how i can't feel badly for the Yanks, i think they deserve each other.

[Donnybrook @ Second base]

It could be the curse of Piazza, one of the last of the Peter O'Malley ownerships moves was to trade their great catcher, rather than pay him. Then he ended up with the NL Mets, the love child of the NL teams who left.

[Paulmcall]

Some folks might use the term- ******* child of the National League. The owners were guilty of selling Brooklyn fans down the river when they allowed O'Malley to pull the plug on the franchise. It was only after Branch Rickey was forming a Continental League that they decided that the National League needed a team in New York. They have never wiped away the shame they should feel for the way they treated the Brooklyn faithful.

[Mike Nealon]

How can you have a curse of Brooklyn when Los Angeles has won a World Series since leaving? You have a better argument for the "Curse of the Polo Grounds", since the Giants haven't won since leaving New York. :eek:

[JACKIE42]

How can you have a curse of Brooklyn when Los Angeles has won a World Series since leaving? You have a better argument for the "Curse of the Polo Grounds", since the Giants haven't won since leaving New York. :eek:

But, duh this is a Brooklyn Dodger forum, and we are Brooklyn Ddoger fans here. You might try the New York Giants forum.

[EbtsFldGuy]

But, duh this is a Brooklyn Dodger forum, and we are Brooklyn Ddoger fans here. You might try the New York Giants forum.


Regrettably, sarcasm surfaces again.

And, as usual, it is no answer to the question posed.

Mike Nealon makes a valid point. As much as we all rue the move, there is no indication that leaving Brooklyn has impeded the Dodgers' prosperity.

Hence, the question, What exactly IS the "curse of Brooklyn?"

[Paulmcall]

It seems like Brooklyn has been cursed since no major league team has moved into the Borough since.
Major league baseball has no real sense of history or loyality towards its fans.
The only reason they moved back to Milwaukee, Washington or Seattle was the threat of lawsuits.
Were there any bright guys that did that for Brooklyn?
MLB thought they could placate Giant and Dodger fans by forming the Mets.

[tonypug]

Why is it, that anytime something light hearted and innocent is talked about, others have to interject the theory of realativity. When something is meant in good fun, lets leave it that way. There is obviously a lot of passion in this forum, and many things are discussed seriously, but lets let the fun stuff be fun stuff.

[JACKIE42]

Regrettably, sarcasm surfaces again.

And, as usual, it is no answer to the question posed.

Mike Nealon makes a valid point. As much as we all rue the move, there is no indication that leaving Brooklyn has impeded the Dodgers' prosperity.

Hence, the question, What exactly IS the "curse of Brooklyn?"

Hey, where have you been old friend, i for one have missed you and the great way you have of getting right to the heart of a subject and putting things in there proper perspective. Now thats not sarcasm, thats just my way of expressing my admiration for a fellow Brooklyn Dodger fan.

[donzblock]

Regrettably, sarcasm surfaces again.

And, as usual, it is no answer to the question posed.

Mike Nealon makes a valid point. As much as we all rue the move, there is no indication that leaving Brooklyn has impeded the Dodgers' prosperity.

Hence, the question, What exactly IS the "curse of Brooklyn?"
EFG may regret the use of sarcasm possibly because he has often resorted to it in the past and ended up being hoisted on his own petard. For example, see his comments in response to my query about whether Tommy Henrich ever did color broadcasting for the Football Giants.

I assume he is asking "What exactly is the Curse of Brooklyn?" without sarcasm. The Curse of Brooklyn will prevent the LA team from winning a championship for the next 100 years--at least. Mr. Nealon wonders how there could be a curse since the LA team has won several championships since 1957, but I would remind him that the Curse was not invoked until this past year, and I made it retroactive to 1989. Had I been thinking clearly after 1957, I would have invoked the Curse immediately. But a deep and profound grief gripped me; and the presence of players named Koufax, Drysdale, Hodges, Snider, Erskine, Reese, Gilliam, and Furillo confused me. I am entirely to blame for the fact that the LA team did manage to win a few. My failure to see what I should have seen has had catastrophic consequences, but fortunately the future is now, and damage control is possible: the LA-ers will still be able to experience much agony during this century, and the Curse will guarantee just that.

[dreifort]

I hear the Dodgers are going to bring in Roger McDowell again to help coach the pitchers. LOL! if this is true....be scared...as Roger is the most Superstitious player ever known to MLB and may fight off the curse!? :eek:


haha.

[donzblock]

McDowell will probably resign once he hears about the Curse. The warning signs will be his silent screaming and his seismic trembling. Then he will run away.

[donzblock]

Why couldn't you have done this before the 1963 WS?
(snipped from Lou)

Sure, but.....
Why couldn't you have done this before the Dodgers left Brooklyn?
In other words, Professor, where were you when we needed you? True, you were still a mere lad in those days, but I have seen many movies in which the curses of young people were the most powerful of all. It was, you will admit, a clutch situation - to say the least. And since you were one of the greatest clutch performers in the history of punchball, would it have been asking too much of you to bring down dire imprecations (for starters) when the fate of the Brooklyn Dodgers was at stake? Here it is 47 years later, and NOW he's ready to put a curse on LA. As the French say: "Sacre bleu." As the Spanish say: "Santa Maria!" As the Tribes of Israel say: "Vey is mir."

If you'd spent less time on your poetry and more on your curses, the Dodgers might still be in Brooklyn.
Clearly, a further clarification of what the curse is is necessary. A curse cannot prevent an atrocity; it can only respond to one. It is not a safeguard; it is an act of vengeance. It could not have been invoked when the fate of the Brooklyn Dodgers was at stake; it could only have been invoked after the fate of the Brooklyn Dodgers had been decided. Obviously, I should have summoned the horrors 47 years ago after the Dodgers had been murdered, but as Bobby Burns once wrote, or should have, "the saddest words of mice and men: what shoulda been!"

[EbtsFldGuy]

Perhaps the best evidence of the "Curse of Brooklyn" that I've seen is what I experienced on my 5 visits back to the Ebbets Field site in the past 3 years:

i.e. the sad and hollow sense that engulfs a present day visitor, who remembers the energy and joy that marked 55 Sullivan Place until 9/24/57.

[EbtsFldGuy]

EFG may regret the use of sarcasm possibly because he has often resorted to it in the past and ended up being hoisted on his own petard. For example, see his comments in response to my query about whether Tommy Henrich ever did color broadcasting for the Football Giants.

I assume he is asking "What exactly is the Curse of Brooklyn?" without sarcasm. The Curse of Brooklyn will prevent the LA team from winning a championship for the next 100 years--at least. Mr. Nealon wonders how there could be a curse since the LA team has won several championships since 1957, but I would remind him that the Curse was not invoked until this past year, and I made it retroactive to 1989. Had I been thinking clearly after 1957, I would have invoked the Curse immediately. But a deep and profound grief gripped me; and the presence of players named Koufax, Drysdale, Hodges, Snider, Erskine, Reese, Gilliam, and Furillo confused me. I am entirely to blame for the fact that the LA team did manage to win a few. My failure to see what I should have seen has had catastrophic consequences, but fortunately the future is now, and damage control is possible: the LA-ers will still be able to experience much agony during this century, and the Curse will guarantee just that.


Response has been DELETED by DODGER DEB. The reason is listed below.

[donzblock]

More sarcasm from EFG, the fellow who supposedly dislikes it? I suspect you, EFG, cannot verify your own existence until you invite someone to attack you. And what does your latest inane comment have to do with the topic of this thread? You asked a question about the Curse. The question was answered. Did the answer to the question about the Curse not satisfy you, good sir?

[donzblock]

Perhaps the best evidence of the "Curse of Brooklyn" that I've seen is what I experienced on my 5 visits back to the Ebbets Field site in the past 3 years:

i.e. the sad and hollow sense that engulfs a present day visitor, who remembers the energy and joy that marked 55 Sullivan Place until 9/24/57.
This "sad and hollow" feeling accurately describes O'Malley's legacy, but this feeling is not the Curse. This feeling is what elicited the Curse.

[EbtsFldGuy]

Response has been DELETED by DODGER DEB. The reason is listed below.


If leaving Brooklyn cursed the franchise, I'd expect that many in business would cry out for a similar fate for their entities.

While he broke our hearts, O'M was ingenious in blazing the trail west - and by so doing, ensuring that his coffers were robustly filled for the rest of his life.

[Paulmcall]

That being said, he can't buy his way into the Hall of Fame.
Some writers still remember.

[donzblock]

If leaving Brooklyn cursed the franchise, I'd expect that many in business would cry out for a similar fate for their entities.

While he broke our hearts, O'M was ingenious in blazing the trail west - and by so doing, ensuring that his coffers were robustly filled for the rest of his life.
EFG's response, as usual, is blatantly beside the point. OM's ingenuity "in blazing the trail west" has nothing whatsoever to do with the Curse of Brooklyn. The fact that "his coffers were robustly filled for the rest of his life" has nothing to do with the Curse of Brooklyn. Moreover, OM's leaving Brooklyn did not curse the franchise. His leaving Brooklyn prompted me to curse it. The Curse, however, would not have succeeded without the fuel of terrible pain that all true blue Brooklyn Dodger fans have expressed on this forum. It is an intense and deeply felt pain that will not go away.

I am going to attach to the Curse an addendum with two split infinitives: "It will be the fate of EFG to never understand it or to willfully pretend he doesn't understand it no matter how many times the Curse is explained to him."

Also, for Paulmcall's benefit, the Curse will in no way affect the attempts of the O'Malley family to get OM into the HOF. There are numerous scoundrels and undeserving characters in that place.

[DODGER DEB]

I posted this article yesterday on the left coast forum, and the Professor reminded me that what is happening is really part of THE CURSE....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7041874/

Do YOU agree?

In any case, just ENJOY IT!!

c.

[Bklyn Boy since 1936]

Do YOU agree?c.

I agree. I hope Moreno has a major supply of "buckshot and moonshine" to feed this feud.
:clapping :D :clapping :D :clapping

[donzblock]

My money and my secret mantras are on Moreno. The NL team from LA is dead. Moreno has more power behind him than he imagines. McCourt has more forces aligned against him than his worst nightmares can summon.

[Gotham]

Your Curse lives, reports say Darren Dreifort will never pitch again. Can Gagne be far behind?

[donzblock]

The Curse scares even me.

[JACKIE42]

Darren Dreifort will never pitch again, does that also mean he will never post here again. Couldn't resist the easy joke, i really love the guy.

[DODGER DEB]

"The Curse" seems to be outdoing itself, Professor.

J. D. Drew broke his wrist last night, and Jeff Kent came up with a pulled hamstring! Cause and effect: must be those crooked double letters being attacked by OUR big beautiful "B".

What are WE to make of "The Power of a BROOKLYN Curse"!

c.

[donzblock]

Have you noticed what the Curse did to poor Izturis? About 94 at bats ago, he was hitting .342 and the LAers were complaining about his poor showing in the All Star balloting. Then when the votes started coming in, the Curse struck, and Cesar has gone something like 8 for 94, an incredible slump, one that can have only one explanation. Now that his stats are poor, poor Cesar has to endure the ignominy of having been selected for the All Star team. I believe the LA people have invented a leg injury for him to save him further embarrassment. One can only imagine where the carnage will stop.

[DODGER DEB]

Have you noticed what the Curse did to poor Izturis? About 94 at bats ago, he was hitting .342 and the LAers were complaining about his poor showing in the All Star balloting. Then when the votes started coming in, the Curse struck, and Cesar has gone something like 8 for 94, an incredible slump, one that can have only one explanation. Now that his stats are poor, poor Cesar has to endure the ignominy of having been selected for the All Star team. I believe the LA people have invented a leg injury for him to save him further embarrassment. One can only imagine where the carnage will stop.

Well, Professor, you know what they say....."It's not nice to fool BROOKLYN DODGER FANS!" Those who do, eventually pay the price!

c.

[donzblock]

Any comments on the strategy of the Curse in allowing the LA team to begin its season winning 12 of its first 14 games?

[Paulmcall]

That was just to give the "fans" a false sense of security.

[JACKIE42]

Any comments on the strategy of the Curse in allowing the LA team to begin its season winning 12 of its first 14 games?

I think it was because you were preoccupied with the Phillies, took your evil eye off the ball for a couple of weeks.

[donzblock]

I think it was because you were preoccupied with the Phillies, took your evil eye off the ball for a couple of weeks.
It is impossible to be preoccupied with the Phillies. As for the Curse, what could be crueler than building up a false sense of security? The greater the fall, the greater the pain. I hear screams of agony on another forum.

[redsox121212]

There is no curse.

[donzblock]

There is no curse.
For the Red Sox, you are so right: there is no Curse. And you ought to know that many of us over here labored mightily on behalf of your team until the Curse of the Bambino was removed. You also ought to know that it was partly the Curse of Brooklyn that worked in your favor. Even its initials are the same. This thing is so powerful that it also affects the weather. Trying to control it is exhausting, but the pain it is causing on the LA forum makes all the hard work worth it. The screams of denial that periodically issue from that wretched place indicate that the forum of the LA team has now been transformed into a living hell, a smoking pit of Tartarus that is so deep that even to imagine that there is such a thing as hope there is to intensify the suffering of the damned. And there will be no reprieve for any of them.

[JACKIE42]

I think the curse, has back- fired, no 50th celebration in Brooklyn, but there will be one in Los Angeles. Maybe we ought to check the L.A. Dogger forum, and see if someone has a stronger curse working. 48 years of disappointments for we Brooklyn fans, someone has a whammy on us. IMHO

[donzblock]

I think the curse, has back- fired, no 50th celebration in Brooklyn, but there will be one in Los Angeles. Maybe we ought to check the L.A. Dogger forum, and see if someone has a stronger curse working. 48 years of disappointments for we Brooklyn fans, someone has a whammy on us. IMHO
The Curse is aimed only at the fortunes of the LA team; it has nothing to do with 50th-anniversary celebrations In Brooklyn. As for there being a curse on the LA forum, I've already checked, and there is none. Nor is it possible for them to concoct one that will override the Curse of Brooklyn. The horror on the West Coast will continue.

[JACKIE42]

The Curse is aimed only at the forunes of the LA team; it has nothing to do with 50th-anniversary celebrations In Brooklyn. As for there being a curse on the LA forum, I've already checked, and there is none. Nor is it possible for them to concoct one that will override the Curse of Brooklyn. The horror on the West Coast will continue.

I still say it back-fired, they have a lousy team, we have no team, they have a lousy organization, we have no organization, they have lousy fans, we have a few old farts with good memories. In time the L.A. Doggers will have a winning team, what goes round, comes around, and we will still only have our memories, that may good enough for some fans, but not me. Your curse, is short term at best.

[donzblock]

I still say it back-fired, they have a lousy team, we have no team, they have a lousy organization, we have no organization, they have lousy fans, we have a few old farts with good memories. In time the L.A. Doggers will have a winning team, what goes round, comes around, and we will still only have our memories, that may good enough for some fans, but not me. Your curse, is short term at best.
Ah ye of little faith. The fact that they have a lousy team proves that the Curse is working. The fact that we have no team explains why the Curse had to be invoked. The fact that they have a lousy organization proves that the Curse is working. The fact that we have no organization explains why the Curse was created. The fact that they have lousy fans is a bonus and in no way connected with the Curse. And the existence of old farts with good memories is not the result of a Curse. In time the LA team may actually win something, but that time will not occur in this century, and I am trying to extend the Curse into the Twenty-Second. As for something that goes around eventually coming around, that is not necessarily true. Some things never come around; in fact, most things never come around. The temperature of the Universe continues to drop every day, and the laws of entropy will prevent it from rising to its original levels. Do not blame your present discontent on the Curse. The Curse is doing exactly what it was intended to do. It was not created to make Jackie42, or anybody else, happy. Vengeance is a bitter brew, but I was thirsty.

[DODGER DEB]

Right on the mark, Professor!

Let me take this opportunity to "correct" a few things that have been said here in the past several posts......

1. When I brought everyone up to date a few weeks ago, I NEVER said that WE would NOT have a 1955 50th Anniversary Celebration. Marty and I are still working as hard as ever to that goal.

2. I resent BROOKLYN DODGER FANS being called "old farts with memories". I think of US, and always will, as "SEASONED FANS with TREASURED MEMORIES THAT FEW HAVE".......because that is what WE are! Please do NOT denigrate US, Jackie!

c.

[JACKIE42]

Right on the mark, Professor!

Let me take this opportunity to "correct" a few things that have been said here in the past several posts......

1. When I brought everyone up to date a few weeks ago, I NEVER said that WE would NOT have a 1955 50th Anniversary Celebration. Marty and I are still working as hard as ever to that goal.

2. I resent BROOKLYN DODGER FANS being called "old farts with memories". I think of US, and always will, as "SEASONED FANS with TREASURED MEMORIES THAT FEW HAVE".......because that is what WE are! Please do NOT denigrate US, Jackie!

c.

chill out DD, your way to sensitive, get a sense of humor, when I said old farts, it was said with love, after all Im the oldest fart of all. And I believe I was the first forum member to tell you how much I appreciated your efforts, about the celebration, you act as if the curse is more then the Professors, way of poking fun at the Doggers, unless he's weird enough to think he's a witch, which I sincerely doubt.

[DODGER DEB]

The AP is reporting this article today, about five stabbings that happened at the Chavez Ravine after yesterday's game. It seems that "the west coast group" is really having their problems these days, both on the field and off. WE never have had these problems at OUR Ebbets Field.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8786525/

c.

[JACKIE42]

The AP is reporting this article today, about five stabbings that happened at the Chavez Ravine after yesterday's game. It seems that "the west coast group" is really having their problems these days, both on the field and off. WE never have had these problems at OUR Ebbets Field.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8786525/

c.

I'll straighten them out when I get there.

[tonypug]

I'll straighten them out when I get there.
Just be carefull when you get there.

[JACKIE42]

Just be carefull when you get there.

Im bringing my own security, 2 6ft4in grandson's.

[tonypug]

Im bringing my own security, 2 6ft4in grandson's.
That will work.

[donzblock]

The Curse has completed its filthy but necessary work this year, and the results have been just what was predicted. Especially appreciated was the sadistic little touch of having the LA team begin the season by winning 11 of its first 13 games. If you're going to drop some vile fellow, it is better to do it from a height. Look forward to at least 95 more years of horror that will be equaled only by the futility of the Phillies (who will need no curse as long as they have Ed Wade).

[Bluesteve32]

Hey guys, why didn't you put this curse on earlier? my Angels would not have had to hear all those arrogant carpetbagger fans brag on how great their team is and mine still sucks. ;)

I think it would be so ironic that Fregosi becomes manager, a very person who is honored at the Big A with a retired number.:laugh :laugh :laugh

[Elvis]

Hey guys, why didn't you put this curse on earlier? my Angels would not have had to hear all those arrogant carpetbagger fans brag on how great their team is and mine still sucks. ;)

I think it would be so ironic that Fregosi becomes manager, a very person who is honored at the Big A with a retired number.:laugh :laugh :laugh

Just like it was ironic how the Yankees hired your former broadcaster and went on to win 5 World Championships. ;)

[Bluesteve32]

What can be more ironic that your former catcher has managed the Angels to two division titles and one Ws championship and you guys don't even have a manager at the moment.:D

[donzblock]

The Curse is killing him, BlueSteve. He is unable to fight it, so he is using you as a surrogate opponent.

[Bluesteve32]

They are so used to being the topdog in town and a perfect storm of things are happening to turn things around. It is kind of like the Democrats have behaved after they lost the HR in 1995, and they really don't deal with those types of change very well. ;) There is one other West Coast group's fan that keeps at it too. ;)

Oh well! Maybe he is a Bruin fan and will wallow in his accumulated sorrow a few days. :laugh

(Did they get a manager yet)?:laugh

[Elvis]

They are so used to being the topdog in town and a perfect storm of things are happening to turn things around. It is kind of like the Democrats have behaved after they lost the HR in 1995, and they really don't deal with those types of change very well. ;) There is one other West Coast group's fan that keeps at it too. ;)

Oh well! Maybe he is a Bruin fan and will wallow in his accumulated sorrow a few days. :laugh

(Did they get a manager yet)?:laugh

66-19!!!! Woo Hooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D

Don't worry, we'll get a manager someday! :laugh

Actually, Steve, that championship in 1988 was so sweet, it'll last me my whole life long even if we never win another. Heck, there are poor cubs, white and red sox fans who lived their whole life without seeing their club win it all. I feel blessed. Not to mention the Lakers and SC. I'm not greedy. :)

[Elvis]

The Curse is killing him, BlueSteve. He is unable to fight it, so he is using you as a surrogate opponent.

You guys forgot to put a curse on the Heisman trophy (and another national championship), cause it's coming back home to Los Angeles!! :D

[theAmazingMet]

66-19!!!! Woo Hooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D

Don't worry, we'll get a manager someday! :laugh

Actually, Steve, that championship in 1988 was so sweet, it'll last me my whole life long even if we never win another. Heck, there are poor cubs, white and red sox fans who lived their whole life without seeing their club win it all. I feel blessed. Not to mention the Lakers and SC. I'm not greedy. :)

If you haven't noticed the poor Red Sox, and White Sox fans have seen their teams win the past two seasons, could the Cubbies be next?:coffee

[Elvis]

If you haven't noticed the poor Red Sox, and White Sox fans have seen their teams win the past two seasons...

Not the fans who were born after 1917-18 and died before 2004-05 which is obviously what I meant...unless you believe these fans suddenly rose from the dead to witness these championships.

[theAmazingMet]

when you say fans, you imply current fans. You can't be a fan of much when you are dead can you? I am sure there are plenty of dead fans of other teams that win frequently, but through an act of God never got to see their team win. :crazy
You obviously misinterpreted my intentions here, it was a joke, ha, ha. I understood your meaning, but couldnt resist.

[donzblock]

You guys forgot to put a curse on the Heisman trophy (and another national championship), cause it's coming back home to Los Angeles!! :D
We hear here the sobbing of a desperate man. Unable to draw any kind of sustenance or hope from the NL team that plays in LA, he turns for comfort to USC and Reggie Busch and then ridicules the Curse for having no effect on them. It is like blaming Abe Lincoln for failing to prevent the fiasco in Iraq. It is like blaming FDR for failing to prevent the election of George Bush.

[strummer]

What comes around, goes around. Fregosi is the player the METS traded Nolan Ryan for in order to solve their problem at third base, which he never did.

[Elvis]

We hear here the sobbing of a desperate man. Unable to draw any kind of sustenance or hope from the NL team that plays in LA, he turns for comfort to USC and Reggie Busch and then ridicules the Curse for having no effect on them. It is like blaming Abe Lincoln for failing to prevent the fiasco in Iraq. It is like blaming FDR for failing to prevent the election of George Bush.

:laugh Good analogies. Find sustenance wherever you can, I say. :o

[Bluesteve32]

You guys forgot to put a curse on the Heisman trophy (and another national championship), cause it's coming back home to Los Angeles!! :D

It took Mike Garrett, Gary Beban and the double murderer (great football player but lousy human) to break up that eastern monopoly over the Heisman.

[Elvis]

It took Mike Garrett, Gary Beban and the double murderer (great football player but lousy human) to break up that eastern monopoly over the Heisman.

Gee, you're pretty harsh on the guy. He goes and murders a couple of innocent people and all of a sudden that makes him a "bad guy"? He's just misunderstood, that's all. :rolleyes:

[donzblock]

I understand that some people think that the dealings of the LA team this winter have broken the Curse. Would somebody like to support that?

[Bluesteve32]

Gee, you're pretty harsh on the guy. He goes and murders a couple of innocent people and all of a sudden that makes him a "bad guy"? He's just misunderstood, that's all. :rolleyes:

You don't realize how much that pains me to say that about Orenthal. You know where the 32 in my screen name comes from? I was a big fan of his and when I started playing ball, I chose that as my number which really worked for all the sports as well. Oh yeah, that Bronco chase was on my birthday, too.

Mathmatical formula to figure out Ron and Nicole's real killer:

Date of murder was 6-12-1994
6+1+2+1+9+9+4 = 32

[Bluesteve32]

I understand that some people think that the dealings of the LA team this winter have broken the Curse. Would somebody like to support that?

It may, but let's see how this team performs on the ballfield.

[chiefpaddy]

I understand that some people think that the dealings of the LA team this winter have broken the Curse. Would somebody like to support that?
They bought a lot of parts, the question is can they make a finished product out of it. Having Jeff Kent on that team is a curse in itself.

[donzblock]

They bought a lot of parts, the question is can they make a finished product out of it. Having Jeff Kent on that team is a curse in itself.
Kent represents the TO Factor. He is a kind of Trojan Horse.

[chiefpaddy]

What should we make of the fact that they are aquiring so many former Boston Red Sox?

[donzblock]

What should we make of the fact that they are aquiring so many former Boston Red Sox?
They are acquiring the remnants of another curse, mostly players who are no longer in their prime. They are acquiring an illusion: the Curse loves to build up hopes and then precipitate a crash.

[tonypug]

Does The Curse need some spring training, or will it be ready to go on opening day?

[Elvis]

Does The Curse need some spring training, or will it be ready to go on opening day?

Rain is the only curse during spring training.

[donzblock]

Does The Curse need some spring training, or will it be ready to go on opening day?
The Curse never rests. Its joints are well oiled and ceaselessly moving. Every day is Opening Day for the Curse; its teeth have been filed to razor sharpness, and its mighty jaws remain poised to chew up and spit out the disgusting carcass that comprises that vile entity. If the Curse decides to lug the guts to Juneau, threatening the entire Pacific with pollution, then I may have to take action to sterilize the franchise. Dropping the Ravine into the magma of Mt. St. Helen's might help. But these side issues must not distract us from the fact that the Curse never sleeps. And as long as its eyes remain open, the door to victory for LA remains shut.

[The Real McCoy]

Does The Curse need some spring training, or will it be ready to go on opening day?

The Anxious and the Accursed are due to report February 15. The merely Concerned have a reporting date of March 1. The precise location in Prospect Park will be annouced shortly.

[DODGER DEB]

The Anxious and the Accursed are due to report February 15. The merely Concerned have a reporting date of March 1. The precise location in Prospect Park will be annouced shortly.


.........after which they will then march triumphantly down Empire Blvd. to OUR hallowed ground, to reinforce their magic spells. They will then travel 3,000 miles to a very precise location in a ravine, where they will set up camp, and be ready to cast those spells by Opening Day, and for the entire 2006 season.

c.

[donzblock]

If anybody feels too lazy to travel to the Ravine, then stay home. Everything is already in place. The spells have already been cast. The damage has been done. The dire fate of the LA team is as inevitable as gravity.

[Elvis]

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http://www.clocktypes.com/cuckoo_clock_s1.jpg

[donzblock]

................................

http://www.clocktypes.com/cuckoo_clock_s1.jpg
Now that we know where you live, when will you emerge?

[tonypug]

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http://www.clocktypes.com/cuckoo_clock_s1.jpg
Oh,its you Elvis. For a second I thought I was on the antiqes roadshow site by mistake. Nice clock is it an origonal?

[DODGER DEB]

Probably came out of Graceland!

c.

[Jake83]

For you guys to continue to dwell on the curse just shows the jealousy you have for the LA Dodgers. Join the Angel, Gnat and Padre fans in obsessing in a team you dislike so much.

[donzblock]

For you guys to continue to dwell on the curse just shows the jealousy you have for the LA Dodgers. Join the Angel, Gnat and Padre fans in obsessing in a team you dislike so much.
Gosh, Jake, you're pretty shrewd. Yes, we're jealous. That about sums it up. You seem to have thoroughly and profoundly grasped the reality of the situation. And I bet it didn't take you very long to do so.

[Elvis]

For you guys to continue to dwell on the curse just shows the jealousy you have for the LA Dodgers. Join the Angel, Gnat and Padre fans in obsessing in a team you dislike so much.

They can't -- those cities actually will field teams this April instead of distant memories.

[donzblock]

They can't -- those cities actually will field teams this April instead of distant memories.
Forgive me, Elvis, but are you trying to make a point?

[Elvis]

Forgive me, Elvis, but are you trying to make a point?

Naa, points are overrated. :waving ;) :gt

[donzblock]

Naa, points are overrated. :waving ;) :gt
You are forgiven once again, sonny.

[Where is Chone Figgins]

Dodgers do not need to be cursed with a owner like Frank McCourt

[DODGER DEB]

Dodgers do not need to be cursed with a owner like Frank McCourt

AH, much can be said about that piece of truth and common sense from the west coast. Thank you, Chone Figgins...and welcome to BBF!

c.

[Elvis]

You are forgiven once again, sonny.

Thanks, Sweetie ;)

[donzblock]

Dodgers do not need to be cursed with a owner like Frank McCourt
But they do need to be cursed with an owner like Frank McCourt; and in addition they need to be cursed. Overkill is fine.

[tonypug]

But they do need to be cursed with an owner like Frank McCourt; and in addition they need to be cursed. Overkill is fine.
Then you add in the Jeff Kent factor and you have a very potent curse. Isn't it ironic that they had to bring in somebody from the Giants to be the General Manager?

[Elvis]

Isn't it ironic that they had to bring in somebody from the Giants to be the General Manager?

No more ironic than the Yankees bringing in Wade Boggs. I wouldn't mind Ned riding around Dodger Stadium on an LAPD horse in late October.

Now that would be ironic for the Gnats! :laugh

[donzblock]

No more ironic than the Yankees bringing in Wade Boggs. I wouldn't mind Ned riding around Dodger Stadium on an LAPD horse in late October.

Now that would be ironic for the Gnats! :laugh
Ned probably will be on a horse in late October, and there will be a posse following him.

[chiefpaddy]

Ned probably will be on a horse in late October, and there will be a posse following him.
Which end of the horse will Ned be on?

[Bluesteve32]

Kent represents the TO Factor. He is a kind of Trojan Horse.

Id that why SC lost in the Rose bowl? Kent was on the Dodgers? :eek:

[Jake83]

Id that why SC lost in the Rose bowl? Kent was on the Dodgers? :eek:


The Berkeley alum in me is happy that SC lost:clapping :clapping

[donzblock]

Id that why SC lost in the Rose bowl? Kent was on the Dodgers? :eek:
So powerful is this curse that it is constantly providing residual benefits that occasionally will wreak vengeance in a sins-of-the-fathers kind of way. For example, whenever the Curse is in the vicinity of teams associated with O. J. Simpson, those teams will lose. The Curse did not arrive at the most recent Rose Bowl until five minutes were left in the game, but that proved to be enough. Only a small fraction of its power provides these benefits.

The Curse lives to see the NL LA team die at least 100 deaths. The peculiarly sadistic nature of the Curse may be seen right now in the optimism that it has aroused in the LA team's fans; they are anticipating a successful 2006. Ah, the build up. Imagine Oliver Hardy, perched on top of a tall pole he is painting, looking at the camera in a puzzled kind of a way right before Laurel topples it with a saw. Of course, equating this team with a person as wonderful as Oliver Hardy doesn't really work. Imagine nasty Moe smiling as he approaches a swinging door. Imagine an unsuspecting Bud Abbott bending over right before Lou finally kicks him.

[Bluesteve32]

The Berkeley alum in me is happy that SC lost:clapping :clapping

Shoot, I rooted for Cal and even UCLA in the Bowls to make the Pac-10 look good. I am sick of saying we ply fluff football in the Pac. It is in the whole Pac-10s interest for its teams to do well when they play outside the conference, especially in the Bowls and NCAA tournaments.

That is why I hate Arizona, the seem to lose in the NCAA tournament early and making the rest of the Pac look like weak sisters. Not that I care too much about basketball.

The Pacific-10 the Conference of Champions.

More NCAA Championships have been won by the Pac, so the tag works.

[Bluesteve32]

So powerful is this curse that it is constantly providing residual benefits that occasionally will wreak vengeance in a sins-of-the-fathers kind of way. For example, whenever the Curse is in the vicinity of teams associated with O. J. Simpson, those teams will lose. The Curse did not arrive at the most recent Rose Bowl until five minutes were left in the game, but that proved to be enough. Only a small fraction of its power provides these benefits.

The Curse lives to see the NL LA team die at least 100 deaths. The peculiarly sadistic nature of the Curse may be seen right now in the optimism that it has aroused in the LA team's fans; they are anticipating a successful 2006. Ah, the build up. Imagine Oliver Hardy, perched on top of a tall pole he is painting, looking at the camera in a puzzled kind of a way right before Laurel topples it with a saw. Of course, equating this team with a person as wonderful as Oliver Hardy doesn't really work. Imagine nasty Moe smiling as he approaches a swinging door. Imagine an unsuspecting Bud Abbott bending over right before Lou finally kicks him.

It took some 12 games for the curse to work on USC, and it better work this year on "that west coast group." ;)

[Elvis]

The peculiarly sadistic nature of the Curse...

It isn't the curse that has a peculiarly sadistic nature. Consult your local mirror. :rolleyes: :laugh Just kidding...sort of.

[DODGER DEB]

It took some 12 games for the curse to work on USC, and it better work this year on "that west coast group." ;)

Keep the faith, BS32, the BROOKLYN CURSE never fails to deliver!

c.

[donzblock]

It isn't the curse that has a peculiarly sadistic nature. Consult your local mirror. :rolleyes: :laugh Just kidding...sort of.
There is nothing sadistic about my mirror. Run for the hills, Elvis. Run. Run before the mud begins to flow. There is still time for you to escape. Run. Run.

[Elvis]

There is nothing sadistic about my mirror. Run for the hills, Elvis. Run. Run before the mud begins to flow. There is still time for you to escape. Run. Run.

Mud! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/Marckymarc71/rofl.gif The mud! You're killing me, Marty!

[donzblock]

Mud! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/Marckymarc71/rofl.gif The mud! You're killing me, Marty!
Dancing on the Titanic.

[Bluesteve32]

Keep the faith, BS32, the BROOKLYN CURSE never fails to deliver!

c.

Lay off SC, though. My kids at Tommy Trojan last September before the USC scrimmage.

[donzblock]

Lay off SC, though. My kids at Tommy Trojan last September before the USC scrimmage.
Now he tells me. I will tweak the Curse to protect the Trojans. (Doesn't that sound ironic?)

[chiefpaddy]

Now he tells me. I will tweak the Curse to protect the Trojans. (Doesn't that sound ironic?)
Hold on a second, I'm a big UCLA fan and the Bruins are the ones who seem to have been cursed.The main thing is that it keeps working at the Ravine.

[Jake83]

Shoot, I rooted for Cal and even UCLA in the Bowls to make the Pac-10 look good. I am sick of saying we ply fluff football in the Pac. It is in the whole Pac-10s interest for its teams to do well when they play outside the conference, especially in the Bowls and NCAA tournaments.

That is why I hate Arizona, the seem to lose in the NCAA tournament early and making the rest of the Pac look like weak sisters. Not that I care too much about basketball.

The Pacific-10 the Conference of Champions.

More NCAA Championships have been won by the Pac, so the tag works.


Maybe so but SC fans and bandwagoners began to become very annoying.

[Bluesteve32]

Hold on a second, I'm a big UCLA fan and the Bruins are the ones who seem to have been cursed.The main thing is that it keeps working at the Ravine.

It's that blue color, but of course UCLA can never settle on what shade their team is. Look at the older football unis, and they are "powder" blue and now it is almost medium blue. Of course the band and the baseball team use navy blue like the Cal folks. Bears - Bruins, hey afterall, UCLA is the "southern branch" that becale LA Normal School at the site of LACC and really did not become a full fledge university until fifty years after USC, which grew up with the fledgling city of Los Angeles and UCLA was in the 'burbs (in that era, Westwood was the 'burbs).

[donzblock]

The Curse has been tweaked and will focus exclusively from now on on matters baseball.

[Bluesteve32]

Can the curse be extended to the city of Anaheim in this doggone trial? :hp

[donzblock]

Can the curse be extended to the city of Anaheim in this doggone trial? :hp
I need to know what trial you are talking about. Please fill me in on the details, Bluesteve32. If I can help in any way, I certainly will.

[Bluesteve32]

Anaheim sued Arte Moreno for changing the name last January. The case went to tril in the last three weeks and the jury went into deliberation today and came back with a 9-3 verdict in favor of the defendant, Arte Moreno and the Angels.

The Angels may retain their rightful and historic name. Now we need to delete that "of Anaheim" part. :dance

[DODGER DEB]

So powerful is this curse that it is constantly providing residual benefits that occasionally will wreak vengeance in a sins-of-the-fathers kind of way. For example, whenever the Curse is in the vicinity of teams associated with O. J. Simpson, those teams will lose. The Curse did not arrive at the most recent Rose Bowl until five minutes were left in the game, but that proved to be enough. Only a small fraction of its power provides these benefits.

The Curse lives to see the NL LA team die at least 100 deaths. The peculiarly sadistic nature of the Curse may be seen right now in the optimism that it has aroused in the LA team's fans; they are anticipating a successful 2006. Ah, the build up. Imagine Oliver Hardy, perched on top of a tall pole he is painting, looking at the camera in a puzzled kind of a way right before Laurel topples it with a saw. Of course, equating this team with a person as wonderful as Oliver Hardy doesn't really work. Imagine nasty Moe smiling as he approaches a swinging door. Imagine an unsuspecting Bud Abbott bending over right before Lou finally kicks him.

THE BROOKLYN CURSE lives on....... as the good Professor aims it towards that "left coast group" in 2006!

c.

[zman]

Now he tells me. I will tweak the Curse to protect the Trojans. (Doesn't that sound ironic?)
:laugh You, sir, are hilarious!

[Brownie31]

The Curse is indeed long, long overdue! I vividly remember reading an article when I was in junior high, this would have been in 1965, that had the following: "The erstwhile Bums (Los Angeles has no use for that nickname)". Even as a dopey, silly 8th grader, I thought how smug and snobbish! This being the heyday of Gilligan's Island and being a typical baby boomer TV addict, I immediatly thought of Thurston Howell III! Brownie31

[Elvis]

The right time for the curse would be when the O'Malleys still owned the team to prevent them from winning their 5 World Championships in Los Angeles. Too little, too late. :gt :clapping

Your curse seemed to work on the Giants though pretty darn well! :laugh

It's kind of like cursing G.W.B. now not to win anymore elections!

[Gotham]

The Curse is working very early this year: Garciaparra, Gagne, Kent, Furcal.....Can the Dodgers keep anybody healthy? The Curse is insidious!!!!!!

[DODGER DEB]

The Curse is working very early this year: Garciaparra, Gagne, Kent, Furcal.....Can the Dodgers keep anybody healthy? The Curse is insidious!!!!!!

As it was promised!

c.

[Elvis]

As it was promised!

c.

Taking satisfaction in players getting injured is pretty vile. :ughh

[Gotham]

By the way, where is the originator of the Curse? His voice seems to have been stilled. I haven't heard a peep from him on ANY board! Donzblock, are you now Sixer Single-Minded or a Flyer Fanatic instead?

[Brownie31]

Speaking of curses, your old arch rivals from Eighth and 155th have one of their own:

http://www.worldwar1.com/tgws/thismonthgrant.htm

and:

http://www.worldwar1.com/tgws/smtw.htm


Brownie31

[Brownie31]

Philadelphia 6 Los Angeles 4
06/04/06

Ode To The Curse

Brooklyn's Curse reigns hard and mean
over at Chavez Ravine

As LA LA fails to make the winning talley
All Flatbush laughs at the heirs of O'Malley

No, I'm not just blowing smoke
Look and see LA LA choke

Brownie31

[DODGER DEB]

Philadelphia 6 Los Angeles 4
06/04/06

Ode To The Curse

Brooklyn's Curse reigns hard and mean
over at Chavez Ravine

As LA LA fails to make the winning talley
All Flatbush laughs at the heirs of O'Malley

No, I'm not just blowing smoke
Look and see LA LA choke

Brownie31

YOU are getting real good at this, Brownie31! :clapping :clapping

What say, WE take aim at the Ravine for the next few nights! The good Professor will provide the "tweak".

c.

[Brownie31]

YOU are getting real good at this, Brownie31! :clapping :clapping

What say, WE take aim at the Ravine for the next few nights! The good Professor will provide the "tweak".

c.

Tweak away!

Brownie31

[Johnny Thinslow]

Twice within a 4-game series, LA's nine offends and wearies
All its phony fans who travel to the Chavez from the shore.
Though they chortle, cheer, and prattle, what they root for falls in battle
To the putrid team from Philly, managed by a brainless boor.
'Tis the curse of Brooklyn, surely, wreaking deadly vengeance purely,
'Tis the Curse of Brooklyn's faithful, 'tis the Curse, and nothing more.

[Elvis]

The first lame curse was thought divine,
But we raised a flag in '59,

The second lame curse would surely be,
But we raised flag in '63.

The third lame curse simply must survive,
But we raised flag in '65.

The fourth lame curse would be the one,
But we raised flag in '81.

The fifth lame curse was born in hate,
But we raised a flag in '88.

The sixth lame curse was straight from heaven,
But we'll raise another flag in 2007.

:D

[Jake83]

The first lame curse was thought divine,
But we raised a flag in '59,

The second lame curse would surely be,
But we raised flag in '63.

The third lame curse simply must survive,
But we raised flag in '65.

The fourth lame curse would be the one,
But we raised flag in '81.

The fifth lame curse was born in hate,
But we raised a flag in '88.

The sixth lame curse was straight from heaven,
But we'll raise another flag in 2007.

:D

The curse is dead
has always been.

The Dodgers of West Coast
Will start to boast

When the 7th flag is WON
Your curse will finally be done

[Brownie31]

The first lame curse was thought divine,
But we raised a flag in '59,

The second lame curse would surely be,
But we raised flag in '63.

The third lame curse simply must survive,
But we raised flag in '65.

The fourth lame curse would be the one,
But we raised flag in '81.

The fifth lame curse was born in hate,
But we raised a flag in '88.

The sixth lame curse was straight from heaven,
But we'll raise another flag in 2007.

:D

Oh, but the Curse rang tried and true
with the Great Collapse of '62.

And then the Curse really showed some tricks
when Bauer's Orioles swept in '66.

Brownie31

[Jake83]

Oh, but the Curse rang tried and true
with the Great Collapse of '62.

And then the Curse really showed some tricks
when Bauer's Orioles swept in '66.

Brownie31



The curse is gone never to come back
Espically when the Dodgers go Back to Back

With Dodgers like Penny, Nomar, Kent and Drew
and some other Dodgers noone knew

The Dodgers will raise flag number seven
O'Malley will then smile down from heaven

[Brownie31]

The curse is gone never to come back
Espically when the Dodgers go Back to Back

With Dodgers like Penny, Nomar, Kent and Drew
and some other Dodgers noone knew

The Dodgers will raise flag number seven
O'Malley will then smile down from heaven

The Curse is alive and doing fine
nothing at all since '89.

Brownie31

[Elvis]

The Curse is alive and doing fine
nothing at all since '89.

Brownie31

The Tigers curse is something more,
Nothing at all since '84

[Jake83]

The curse of the Giants is worse
the Giants have been in a mess
since they moved out West
No Championships since 54
while we have won 6 more

[Brownie31]

The curse of the Giants is worse
the Giants have been in a mess
since they moved out West
No Championships since 54
while we have won 6 more

The Giant's Curse never shows slack
since they lost Eddie Grant's plaque!

Brownie31

[Brownie31]

The Tigers curse is something more,
Nothing at all since '84

There is another Curse that is so great
Nothing for the Cubs since 1908!

Brownie31

[Elvis]

This curse thread without the Professor,
Is like watching the Three Stooges with Joe Besser.

[DODGER DEB]

Well, Professor, you should know that "The BROOKLYN Curse" is very much alive and is coming into play, once again.

That west coast group suffered greatly at the hands of those Redbirds from St. Louis this weekend, who SWEPT them away! :clapping :clapping :clapping

SWEETER than SWEET! :waving

c.

[Elvis]

Well, Professor, you should know that "The BROOKLYN Curse" is very much alive and is coming into play, once again.

That west coast group suffered greatly at the hands of those Redbirds from St. Louis this weekend, who SWEPT them away! :clapping :clapping :clapping

SWEETER than SWEET! :waving

c.

This was the dreaded Jack Clark curse at work - had nothing to do with Brooklyn.

[Whitesoxnut]

There is another Curse that is so great
Nothing for the Cubs since 1908!

Brownie31

But its important to note that not only is there a beginning to every baseball curse, there is also an end. The Redsox and Whitesox both ended their curses one after another.

[Elvis]

But its important to note that not only is there a beginning to every baseball curse, there is also an end. The Redsox and Whitesox both ended their curses one after another.

I'd say the Brooklyn curse was ended in 1959. The proof? 1963, 1965, 1966, 1974, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1988. :p

[DODGER DEB]

THE BROOKLYN CURSEcontinues to cast it's spell on that west coast group.

They just got swept AGAIN by the St.Louis Cardinals.

WONDERFUL!!!!! :dance :dance :dance

c.

[Elvis]

THE BROOKLYN CURSEcontinues to cast it's spell on that west coast group.

They just got swept AGAIN by the St.Louis Cardinals.

WONDERFUL!!!!! :dance :dance :dance

c.

How many times do I have to tell you, it's the Jack Clark curse. The Brooklyn curse expired in October, 1959. :laugh

Don't worry Deb - We'll still raise another World Championship banner at Dodger Stadium before Brooklyn ever does again. :rolleyes:

[Brownie31]

An Ode To Hitting The Skids

By now, quite obvious is their fate
As LALA's losses mount up to eight

Now out west it seems so fitting
to leave before the seventh inning

With their luck careening from bad to worse
No one in LALA doubts Flatbush's curse!

Brownie31

[Elvis]

Now out west it seems so fitting
to leave before the seventh inning

Brownie31

Brownie Brownie, shame on you,
something I thought you'd never do,

Insert a verse that does not rhyme,
I guess you didn't have the time,

To get a poem really right,
you might just have to make the flight,

and visit us--here out west,
Where we can show you all our best,

Including a special flag so fine,
OUR Championship banner from '59.

[DODGER DEB]

An Ode To Hitting The Skids

By now, quite obvious is their fate
As LALA's losses mount up to eight

Now out west it seems so fitting
to leave before the seventh inning

With their luck careening from bad to worse
No one in LALA doubts Flatbush's curse!

Brownie31

Atta boy, Brownie...ya beat me to it!

They showed San Diego their best....and the THE BROOKLYN CURSE did it's thing, once again! :D :clapping :D

Some people NEVER LEARN!!!

Stay tuned!

c.

[Elvis]

Some people NEVER LEARN!!!

c.

Yes, my sentiments exactly. ;)

[Gotham]

There is no curse, of course. The real problem with LA is that the free agent era has been a disaster for them. I can scarcely think of any free agents who worked out over the course a few seasons. Many have been complete busts(Strawberry, Brown, Sheffield, Nomar, Kent, Davis...... whew!! my fingers are getting tired) They need to stick with this new crop of young talent and take their lumps. This has been a looooooooong drought though for the LAsordas.

I miss Don though(the Curse Guru). He had a malicious hatred for LA that was quite delightful.

[Elvis]

There is no curse, of course. The real problem with LA is that the free agent era has been a disaster for them. I can scarcely think of any free agents who worked out over the course a few seasons. Many have been complete busts(Strawberry, Brown, Sheffield, Nomar, Kent, Davis...... whew!! my fingers are getting tired) They need to stick with this new crop of young talent and take their lumps. This has been a looooooooong drought though for the LAsordas.

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

[Elvis]

I guess your curse must've hit a snag lately, Deb. :D

The Big Blue Wrecking Crew have just completed a clean 6-game road sweep and 9 straight overall.

You need to find a curse that isn't so wishy-washy.

[The Real McCoy]

I guess your curse must've hit a snag lately, Deb. :D

The Big Blue Wrecking Crew have just completed a clean 6-game road sweep and 9 straight overall.

You need to find a curse that isn't so wishy-washy.

As currently structured by minds greater than your imagination can conjure (I need mention only the "Main Line" and "the home"), this is not your run-of-the-mill, plunge-down-the-shaft-to-the-basement type curse. Any one can come up with those. No, this is the tease-em-a-bit, give-em-a-glimmer-of-hope type curse, which is all the more devastating when the final, inevitable bell tolls and toll it will, this season, for the Vampires from the West.

[Elvis]

As currently structured by minds greater than your imagination can conjure (I need mention only the "Main Line" and "the home"), this is not your run-of-the-mill, plunge-down-the-shaft-to-the-basement type curse. Any one can come up with those. No, this is the tease-em-a-bit, give-em-a-glimmer-of-hope type curse, which is all the more devastating when the final, inevitable bell tolls and toll it will, this season, for the Vampires from the West.

Anything that happens this season is gravy for me. I hardly expected the Blue to win anything this year with so many rookies playing. This season is a ton of fun to watch! These kids are really something! Win or lose it's baseball, and baseball always brings a smile to my face! :) Now if I was a Cubs fan, I might not be so optimistic...

[The Real McCoy]

Anything that happens this season is gravy for me. I hardly expected the Blue to win anything this year with so many rookies playing. This season is a ton of fun to watch! These kids are really something! Win or lose it's baseball, and baseball always brings a smile to my face! :) Now if I was a Cubs fan, I might not be so optimistic...

Then I'm happy for you.

In fact I'll keep a good thought when I'm out in Queens on September 9, with an old neighborhood running mate, Stevie D, who is one of your brothers-in-arms when it comes to the Blue and baseball.

I did, however, feel that a friendly overview of the true implications of what lies ahead might prove useful. Stevie D, by the way, has been similarly alerted.

[Elvis]

Then I'm happy for you.

In fact I'll keep a good thought when I'm out in Queens on September 9, with an old neighborhood running mate, Stevie D, who is one of your brothers-in-arms when it comes to the Blue and baseball.

I did, however, feel that a friendly overview of the true implications of what lies ahead might prove useful. Stevie D, by the way, has been similarly alerted.

Thanks for the heads-up! And tell Stevie I said not to worry. There is actually a "protector" from the Brooklyn curses that until found and destroyed, will and have always warded off the ill-wishes of bitter Brooklyn fans. This "protector" is not of human form, and worse yet, is split into 5 pieces, that until all found and eliminated will continue to allow Dodger success in the Southland to flourish. :D And no, I do not know of their wherabouts, only their exsistance.

[Gotham]

The Curse is dead!!!! 11 in row. Will the Big Blue Wrecking Crew ever lose again? Is title number 7 inevitable? Dodger faithful from Canarsie to Chico rejoice!!!!!

[MATHA531]

Gotham...just remember you're never as good as when you are winning and never as bad as when you are losing....

[Elvis]

Gotham...just remember you're never as good as when you are winning and never as bad as when you are losing....

Mae West?
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[Elvis]

The Professor's curse continues to deflate like a flat tire on the Queensborough Bridge.

Beat the Gints 3-2

13-1 in the last 14 games

From 6.5 games back and last place to 1.5 game lead and First place.

Best Farm system in baseball.

Best scouts in the game

A GM who actually knows what the he** he's doing :laugh

Woo Hoo! :crazy

A pennant race in August...this is what life is about! :)

[Mariano_Rivera]

As one curse died in 2004 another arose, greater and more terrible than ever....

Also, i`m quite certain that sacrificing a Yankees fan wouldn`t change anything *edges away slowly*

[Johnny Thinslow]

As one curse died in 2004 another arose, greater and more terrible than ever....

Also, i`m quite certain that sacrificing a Yankees fan wouldn`t change anything *edges away slowly*

1. What is "edges away slowly"?

2. This Curse appears to be using the Phillies as its tool. If it can make use of such a pathetic device, it must be a very powerful curse indeed, "greater and more terrible than ever."

[Mariano_Rivera]

1. What is "edges away slowly"?

Ateriks generally indicate that you arre performing an action. I do not widsh to be sacrificed to the baseball gods ;)

[Mariano_Rivera]

Eric Gagne has not pitched a full season since the invoking of the great curse.

[Elvis]

Eric Gagne has not pitched a full season since the invoking of the great curse.

Eric who? Are you talking about our solid stud closer Takashi Saito? He is the only closer Dodger fans are aware of at the moment and he has pitched quite splendidly all season. Some great curse you got there.

Unfortunately for Dodger haters, our farm system is blessed, not cursed.

By the way, how are you enjoying the curse I put on you in the winter of 2000?

[DODGER DEB]

Well, The BROOKLYN CURSE worked very well yesterday at Shea Stadium, despite Tommy Lasorda. :clapping

Did everyone notice that SANDY KOUFAX was there and sitting with Fred Wilpon. :waving

WE are sure hoping it continues to cast its spell....for whom it was intended.

c.

[Marshall]

Dodger Deb: Who or what is the Brooklyn curse cast upon?

Sandy Koufax and Fred Wilpon are boyhood friends, right?

Thanks.

[DODGER DEB]

Dodger Deb: Who or what is the Brooklyn curse cast upon?

Sandy Koufax and Fred Wilpon are boyhood friends, right?

Thanks.

The CURSE of BROOKLYN was cast by a member of OUR Forum on that "west coast group" who stole OUR name, "DODGERS". He cast the spell retroactive to 1989, and it has been quite effective. If you read this entire thread, from the beginning, you will get a better understanding of how it works.

Yes, Sandy and Fred are childhood friends. They were both born and raised in BROOKLYN, and went to high school together. Sandy has, from time to time, worked for that "west coast group", but Sandy has never forgotten his roots, and is a BROOKLYN boy at heart....and always will be!

BTW, Marshall, welcome to OUR little corner of BBF. Nice to have you join US!

c.

[Marshall]

Thanks for the welcome, as all who I have been corresponding with on the site have been similarly kind.

At least for the first two games of the 2006 NLDS at Shea this curse is working.

Sandy Koufax my first and all-time favorite.

Is there anything to the story that Alston/Bavasi held him back 1955-1957?

Thanks.

[DODGER DEB]

Thanks for the welcome, as all who I have been corresponding with on the site have been similarly kind.

At least for the first two games of the 2006 NLDS at Shea this curse is working.

Sandy Koufax my first and all-time favorite.

Is there anything to the story that Alston/Bavasi held him back 1955-1957?

Thanks.

First, please understand that while Walt Alston was OUR field manager, BUZZY always, always, ran OUR club, from where ever his was.

As for "holding back" Sandy during 1955-1957...I don't think "holding back" is the term I would use. You must remember that Sandy was, what Baseball called then, "a bonus baby". Under this MLB rule, those players had to remain with the parent club for what I believe was five (?) years. This hampered the parent club from allowing a very young player from playing, as he would have, if he was assigned to a minor league club. It was hard to use a player, with little or no experience, when you are playing 154 games trying to win a pennant. WE did use Sandy, from time to time, but, in BROOKLYN, he was no where near the Sandy he turned into, a few years later.

c.

[musial6]

First, please understand that while Walt Alston was OUR field manager, BUZZY always, always, ran OUR club, from where ever his was.

As for "holding back" Sandy during 1955-1957...I don't think "holding back" is the term I would use. You must remember that Sandy was, what Baseball called then, "a bonus baby". Under this MLB rule, those players had to remain with the parent club for what I believe was five (?) years. This hampered the parent club from allowing a very young player from playing, as he would have, if he was assigned to a minor league club. It was hard to use a player, with little or no experience, when you are playing 154 games trying to win a pennant. WE did use Sandy, from time to time, but, in BROOKLYN, he was no where near the Sandy he turned into, a few years later.

c.


Make that TWO years.

[DODGER DEB]

Make that TWO years.

Thanks, musial6!

For some reason I always thought it was longer.

c.

[musial6]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/cash-in-the-cradle-the-bonus-babies/

[Brownie31]

The Brooklyn Curse is oh so strong
On Saturday it worked all day long

Out in LALA it was hard and mean
enforced by the team from Queens

While the Bombers weren't very adroit
as they were devoured by Detroit

Doubt the Brooklyn Curse if you must
But it's recipients surely went bust!

Brownie31

[Mariano_Rivera]

I don`t think it was the Curse of brooklyn that killed the yankees as much as the curse of Gary Sheffield :laugh

Wait 'till next year :laugh :D

[DODGER DEB]

No doubt about it, THE CURSE of BROOKLYN worked it's magic spell yesterday, like never before...

First, starting in da Bronx, it worked it's way through Motown, and literally took apart those oh, so mighty thinking pinstripers. :dance

It then proceeded across country to sniff whatever little life there was left from that "west coast group"; the one that still insists on using OUR DODGERS NAME, which they stole.:clapping

It was truly one fantastic day!!!!! :laugh

I haven't felt this good in a verrrry long time! :waving

IT'S WONDERFUL!!! :D

Congratulations to both the METS and the TIGERS!!

Thanks, Professor!

c.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

No doubt about it, THE CURSE of BROOKLYN worked it's magic spell yesterday, like never before...

First, starting in da Bronx, it worked it's way through Motown, and literally took apart those oh, so mighty thinking pinstripers. :dance

It then proceeded across country to sniff whatever little life there was left from that "west coast group"; the one that still insists on using OUR DODGERS NAME, which they stole.:clapping

It was truly one fantastic day!!!!! :laugh

I haven't felt this good in a verrrry long time! :waving

IT'S WONDERFUL!!! :D

Congratulations to both the METS and the TIGERS!!

Thanks, Professor!

c.

Just call it Steinbrenner's curse:grouchy :grouchy

I thought that I was at an age that this wouldn't touch me anymore. But I feel quite miserable, even though I didn't expect the Yankees to reach the World Series.

At least LA's loss made it more bearable.

[Marshall]

There must really be something to this curse. I hope its results on 2006 Yanks do not get Brooklyn boy Joe Torre fired. The man is a saint. As for the Mets-LA series every bounce went the Met's way. Uncanny. Can this curse be made retroactive to undo the cheating '51 Giants?

[DODGER DEB]

There must really be something to this curse. I hope its results on 2006 Yanks do not get Brooklyn boy Joe Torre fired. The man is a saint. As for the Mets-LA series every bounce went the Met's way. Uncanny. Can this curse be made retroactive to undo the cheating '51 Giants?


The Good Professor always delivers on the power of The BROOKLYN CURSE! :dance

As for reversing that black-hole of 1951....ah, that it could, Marshall.

c.

[Marshall]

Yes, the sins of 1951 being handled by a higher (and perhaps lower) authority.

[Johnny Thinslow]

As currently structured by minds greater than your imagination can conjure (I need mention only the "Main Line" and "the home"), this is not your run-of-the-mill, plunge-down-the-shaft-to-the-basement type curse. Any one can come up with those. No, this is the tease-em-a-bit, give-em-a-glimmer-of-hope type curse, which is all the more devastating when the final, inevitable bell tolls and toll it will, this season, for the Vampires from the West.

A prophet on this forum.

[Johnny Thinslow]

I guess your curse must've hit a snag lately, Deb. :D

The Big Blue Wrecking Crew have just completed a clean 6-game road sweep and 9 straight overall.

You need to find a curse that isn't so wishy-washy.

A poor fit on this forum.

[DODGER DEB]

A poor fit on this forum.

Thank you, JT!

Anyone who can deduce that Judge McCoy is a prophet, and the last post a "poor fit" on OUR forum, I must welcome, to OUR Forum, with open arms. The good Judge had been contributing to OUR Forum for many years now...and WE never tire of his informative posts, and just plain good sense regarding Baseball in NYC.

Please join in on the discussions..and have fun!

c.

[Lprof]

Do YOU think OUR newly installed CURSE of BROOKLYN is having a "side effect" on doings in pinstripe territory across the river in the Bronx?

It just could be that WE do have a "connection" with the RED SOX....and wouldn't that be WONDERFUL!!!

c.
You guys must have a lot of time on your hands, but I love it. I can finally prove to my wife (who is from Detroit, and not a baseball fan in any event) that I am not the only one still bitter. I will never, never forgive, and never, never forget.

[DODGER DEB]

You guys must have a lot of time on your hands, but I love it. I can finally prove to my wife (who is from Detroit, and not a baseball fan in any event) that I am not the only one still bitter. I will never, never forgive, and never, never forget.

It's been awhile since you visited US, Lprof. Nice to see you again.

It seems only LOYAL and TRUE BROOKLYN DODGER FANS truly understand why WE still feel the way WE do...and probably always will!

c.

[Lprof]

It's been awhile since you visited US, Lprof. Nice to see you again.

It seems only LOYAL and TRUE BROOKLYN DODGER FANS truly understand why WE still feel the way WE do...and probably always will!

c.Thanks for noticing; I was too depressed by the White Sox collapse (my adopted team, since I live in Chicago). By the way, I had such a pleasant exchange with Joe Hatten's daughter in law, and it was so exciting to me to have contact with the family of one of my former heroes--I was wondering whether any former Brooklyn Dodgers or their families would be interested in reminiscing, and if so, how we could get in touch. Thanks.

[ShortStop]

There was an article in the Daily News how Baltimore fans feel about the Colts. None of them will root for the Colts, because they feel betrayed.

I was thinking in the same lines about the Dodgers and us here in Brooklyn. I would hate to root for the LA DOdgers.

[D6+]

There was an article in the Daily News how Baltimore fans feel about the Colts. None of them will root for the Colts, because they feel betrayed.

I was thinking in the same lines about the Dodgers and us here in Brooklyn. I would hate to root for the LA DOdgers.


Even though the Baltimore Colts weren't my favorite team, it was painful for me to see the team from Indianapolis that took the Colts name, colors, and records win the Super Bowl. If the Indianapolis franchise had their own history that didn't include the history from Baltimore, I would have viewed their accomplishment much more favorably.

I can't even imagine what it must have been like for Brooklyn Dodgers fans who were around when the team from Los Angeles won the 1959 World Series. Only two years after the team was hijacked out of Brooklyn. It's painful even thinking about it.

[dstephen7]

I don't believe in these Baseball so call curse. Why does it take a long time
for teams to win a World Series. I see it that its because the other team
is just better than the team that lost. In sports you can only have One
winner. And the best team wins. Some times it takes time and a certain
click for the Team. Either the Right Manager or Pitchers, but when it comes
together than you have a winner.

[D6+]

The curse is working again!

Tonight's game was definitely one of the highlights of the 2007 season. The Left Coast Imposter group lost it's 3rd game, all in their own ballpark. This evening, the Florida Marlins came back from 5-3 down, tied the game in the 9th, got the eventual winning run on a bunt single in the 10th, and after the Left Coast Imposter group loaded the bases with 3 straight two out walks, a pop-up occurred to end the game.

[DODGER DEB]

The curse is working again!

Tonight's game was definitely one of the highlights of the 2007 season. The Left Coast Imposter group lost it's 3rd game, all in their own ballpark. This evening, the Florida Marlins came back from 5-3 down, tied the game in the 9th, got the eventual winning run on a bunt single in the 10th, and after the Left Coast Imposter group loaded the bases with 3 straight two out walks, a pop-up occurred to end the game.

Nice touch, D6+! You have very quickly picked up the "hang of things" around here! :nod: :waving

Keep up the good work!

c.

[EbtsFldGuy]

I can't even imagine what it must have been like for Brooklyn Dodgers fans who were around when the team from Los Angeles won the 1959 World Series. Only two years after the team was hijacked out of Brooklyn. It's painful even thinking about it.


To get an intimate feel for that day, go to your nearest library which houses archives of the NY Times. Find the article in the sports section by Gay Talese, published, I thinkm on the day after the series against the White Sox ended (October 5th, 1959 or thereabout), in which he recounts his visit to Ebbets Field and his conversations with the maintainence crew who watched that game on TV and description of the abandoned EF surroundings.

It will tug at your heart strings.

[EbtsFldGuy]

The 1959 World Series began on October 1 and ended on October 8.

My best guess is that the Talese article appeared in the October 9 edition of the Times.

[ShortStop]

Enough with this curse bussiness.
The Yankees have won qiute enough since the Dodgers left.