A Bad Year

[donzblock]

It's been an awful year; seeing the LA team win the division was truly nauseating. However, perhaps something good can be salvaged if the Cardinals sweep. Game One is out of the way: two more to go.

[The Commissioner]

Wouldn't it be more pleasurable, though, to see the Dodgers make itthe World Series, be leading in the botto m of the ninth in Game 7 with two outs and then have Los Angeles suddenly be swept into the ocean on the crest of a giant tidal wave? You have to think big.

[DODGER DEB]

Wouldn't it be more pleasurable, though, to see the Dodgers make itthe World Series, be leading in the botto m of the ninth in Game 7 with two outs and then have Los Angeles suddenly be swept into the ocean on the crest of a giant tidal wave? You have to think big.


WOW, Commish, THAT sounds like a GREAT SCENARIO, one that I would ordinarily love to see happen. However, I must agree with the good Professor, I would prefer they just be SWEPT AWAY by that SEA OF RED in ST. LOUIS!

The way I look at IT, LOSING builds character........WE would even let them use OUR well worn winter alibi of "WAIT 'TIL NEXT YEAR"......for the next 60 years or so! They have OUR NAME....it then stands to reason that they should also have OUR PAIN!!!

c.

[donzblock]

I might settle for the tidal wave.

[DODGER DEB]

I might settle for the tidal wave.


THAT would work for me!

c.

[mojorisin71]

Wouldn't it be more pleasurable, though, to see the Dodgers make itthe World Series, be leading in the botto m of the ninth in Game 7 with two outs and then have Los Angeles suddenly be swept into the ocean on the crest of a giant tidal wave? You have to think big.

Interesting scenario, but because MLB has that asinine rule saying that the winner of the All-Star game gets HFA in the WS, LA can't host Game 7.

Anyway, I seem to be the only one who thinks that LA has a chance against the Cards.

[The Commissioner]

Interesting scenario, but because MLB has that asinine rule saying that the winner of the All-Star game gets HFA in the WS, LA can't host Game 7.

Anyway, I seem to be the only one who thinks that LA has a chance against the Cards.

Who said anything about the Dodgers having to be there at the time?

[mojorisin71]

Who said anything about the Dodgers having to be there at the time?

Unfortunately, I'll have to be there. That's the problem.

[Tym]

What's wit da Dodger bashing, how is it nauseating that we made the division, we were the best team in the division. the Giants have no bullpen starting pitching is suspect and padres hitting is sparadic we were the only team that was consistant almost the whole year. So blah quit it.

[donzblock]

What's wit da Dodger bashing, how is it nauseating that we made the division, we were the best team in the division. the Giants have no bullpen starting pitching is suspect and padres hitting is sparadic we were the only team that was consistant almost the whole year. So blah quit it.
I'm about one third less nauseous than I was two days ago. Two more Cardinal wins and I'll have my appetite back again.

[mojorisin71]

What's wit da Dodger bashing, how is it nauseating that we made the division, we were the best team in the division. the Giants have no bullpen starting pitching is suspect and padres hitting is sparadic we were the only team that was consistant almost the whole year. So blah quit it.

Allow me to explain.

Dodger Deb and donzblock are two of our most experienced and knowledgeable baseball fans here at BBF. They were BROOKLYN Dodgers fans, and when O'Malley stole the team in 1957, it wasn't the same for them. LA stole the name, uniform, history, etc. Naturally, you wouldn't root for such teams, so any success by the LA team is nauseating for the Brooklynites like Dodger Deb, donzblock, Jackie42, et al. You wouldn't think that Expo fans would root for the Washington team, would you?

[donzblock]

Last night was so satisfying that I am starting to think about food again. It would be especially nice if the Cards clinched in LA. Tym, you can exact revenge easily by appearing on the Phillies' forum and attacking that pathetic team. Or would they be too easy and obvious a target? Or you can emulate the esteemed PR man on your LA team, the guy who intimidated a FOX reporter into erasing a tape of Milton Bradley's most recent tirade. Or you can follow mojorisin71's example and put everything into a rational perspective.

[DODGER DEB]

Last night was so satisfying that I am starting to think about food again. It would be especially nice if the Cards clinched in LA. Tym, you can exact revenge easily by appearing on the Phillies' forum and attacking that pathetic team. Or would they be too easy and obvious a target? Or you can emulate the esteemed PR man on your LA team, the guy who intimidated a FOX reporter into erasing a tape of Milton Bradley's most recent tirade. Or you can follow mojorisin71's example and put everything into a rational perspective.


Right on, Professor!

c.

[DODGER DEB]

Just caught a few minutes of the game in la-la land tonight and noticed that the Chavez Ravine is almost full! Was there a casting call put out by that left coast team.....OR did these people who showed up just THINK there was?

c.

[donzblock]

The noise was canned. The sleeping fans there had been gently carted in by management. One of the sleepers was Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had to be aroused from a stupor and propped up so that he could give the appearance of knowing what had happened when Green hit one out. His eyes, however, were still closed as his hands collided with each other in an awkward simulation of applause. His wife appeared to be embarrassed.

[Tym]

Last night was so satisfying that I am starting to think about food again. It would be especially nice if the Cards clinched in LA. Tym, you can exact revenge easily by appearing on the Phillies' forum and attacking that pathetic team. Or would they be too easy and obvious a target? Or you can emulate the esteemed PR man on your LA team, the guy who intimidated a FOX reporter into erasing a tape of Milton Bradley's most recent tirade. Or you can follow mojorisin71's example and put everything into a rational perspective.


Yeah too easy...

I understand about the hatin the Dodgers cuz you were a die hard brooklyn fan but it's still a great team and like the Brooklyn Dodgers Ebbets field, Dodgers stadium is a staple that will be long in peoples hearts if it's ever torn down or the Dodgers move again. But I can see where you come from, when the Raiders left, I didn't really like them much anymore and I started following my other team the Philly Eagles as a die hard fan (although i'd love to see them as the LA Eagles but that'll never happen). So what team DO you roof for the Phillies? Yankees, although I can't see a Brooklyn Dodger fan EVER liking the Yankees, took too many world series from them.

[DODGER DEB]

Well, Professor, YOU can now enjoy a hearty meal, once again!

HOW SWEET, AND SATISFYING, IT IS!!! :laugh :laugh :laugh

It was mentioned during the Fox broadcast that, yesterday 10/10/04, the crowd of 56,462 was the largest crowd ever at Chavez Ravine. Just think, it took them 42 years to FILL a park.........SIMPLY AMAZIN'!!!

c.

[donzblock]

Well, Professor, YOU can now enjoy a hearty meal, once again!

HOW SWEET, AND SATISFYING, IT IS!!! :laugh :laugh :laugh

It was mentioned during the Fox broadcast that, yesterday 10/10/04, the crowd of 56,462 was the largest crowd ever at Chavez Ravine. Just think, it took them 42 years to FILL a park.........SIMPLY AMAZIN'!!!

c.

Ah, food is delicious. That park may have been full, but it was still empty. Your pain, LA fans, must be unbearable, but it was a price well worth paying since Dodger Deb and I are quite happy.

Tym, I root for the Eagles, and why do you? You are an LA person, and why would an LA person even imagine such a thing as the LA Eagles? Is it the nature of an LA person always to covet what does not belong to him? Now that the LA team is out of the way, I will root against my other nemesis and for the Red Sox. I can't imagine a team being led by a Francona getting this far, but if the players lock him in the clubhouse, anything is possible.

What matters most, however, is the undeniable fact that the LA team is done and gone. I am hoping that they start a losing streak that lasts at least a century. In fact, as of this moment, I am putting on the LA team the Curse of Brooklyn. May the ballpark crumble, may the team enjoy bitter defeat, and may the fans of this abomination be shocked into consciousness so that they will be fully aware of what it means to lose.

[DODGER DEB]

Ah, food is delicious. That park may have been full, but it was still empty. Your pain, LA fans, must be unbearable, but it was a price well worth paying since Dodger Deb and I are quite happy.

Tym, I root for the Eagles, and why do you? You are an LA person, and why would an LA person even imagine such a thing as the LA Eagles? Is it the nature of an LA person always to covet what does not belong to him? Now that the LA team is out of the way, I will root against my other nemesis and for the Red Sox. I can't imagine a team being led by a Francona getting this far, but if the players lock him in the clubhouse, anything is possible.

What matters most, however, is the undeniable fact that the LA team is done and gone. I am hoping that they start a losing streak that lasts at least a century. In fact, as of this moment, I am putting on the LA team the Curse of Brooklyn. May the ballpark crumble, may the team enjoy bitter defeat, and may the fans of this abomination be shocked into consciousness so that they will be fully aware of what it means to lose.


"THE CURSE of BROOKLYN".....I LOVE IT, PROFESSOR!

As a matter of fact, please post the IT on OUR FORUM, and I will make it a "sticky" to FOREVER stay at the top of the list and where WE can daily wish it on that left coast group!

c.

[Tym]

Ah, food is delicious. That park may have been full, but it was still empty. Your pain, LA fans, must be unbearable, but it was a price well worth paying since Dodger Deb and I are quite happy.

Tym, I root for the Eagles, and why do you? You are an LA person, and why would an LA person even imagine such a thing as the LA Eagles? Is it the nature of an LA person always to covet what does not belong to him? Now that the LA team is out of the way, I will root against my other nemesis and for the Red Sox. I can't imagine a team being led by a Francona getting this far, but if the players lock him in the clubhouse, anything is possible.

What matters most, however, is the undeniable fact that the LA team is done and gone. I am hoping that they start a losing streak that lasts at least a century. In fact, as of this moment, I am putting on the LA team the Curse of Brooklyn. May the ballpark crumble, may the team enjoy bitter defeat, and may the fans of this abomination be shocked into consciousness so that they will be fully aware of what it means to lose.

i'd never want my Eagles in LA it'd be nice but they're philly property and i Hope they stay there forever
i root 4 boston 2, i hope a houston vs red sox Ws happens

[mojorisin71]

What matters most, however, is the undeniable fact that the LA team is done and gone. I am hoping that they start a losing streak that lasts at least a century. In fact, as of this moment, I am putting on the LA team the Curse of Brooklyn. May the ballpark crumble, may the team enjoy bitter defeat, and may the fans of this abomination be shocked into consciousness so that they will be fully aware of what it means to lose.

Gee, thanks a lot for the Curse of Brooklyn. I mean, since 1988, the LA team hasn't done anything, and with the curse of inept management and the "LA slump" (all high-priced hitters LA gets have their worst years here), I'd say LA is already cursed. See www.dodgerblues.com for more details. I'm not qualified to speak about the real Dodgers, but for now, I'm guilty of being a fan of the LA team. I've been disappointed for the last 16 years that if LA never wins the World Series again (or any more playoff games for that matter), I wouldn't be surprised. Yes, I'll continue rooting for the LA team, and no, I wouldn't be affected by the Curse. Maybe it'll get to the bandwagon LA fans or the baseball-ignorant people who flock to the stadium (Arnold Schwarzenegger being one of them), but I think I'll continue my life as a fan of the game.

And EVERY LA sports team was stolen from somewhere else at one point in time. The Rams came from Cleveland, the Raiders came from Oakland and then moved back, the Lakers came from Minneapolis, and the Clippers came from San Diego. From the way LA treated the Rams and Raiders, LA does not deserve another football team, and the NFL is doing fine without LA, which is why I do not follow football.

BTW, I, too, am surprised that last night was the largest crowd at Chavez Latrine ever.

[donzblock]

"Chavez Latrine" is really good. I'm disappointed that my scatological brain could not come up with that one. As for trying to ignore the Curse, you may think you won't be affected by it--nobody thinks he will be affected by it--but you will, my friend. I'm sorry that innocent people like you will be affected by it, but that is the nature of curses. And of course the last 16 years prove that you have already been affected by it: the Curse has been made retroactive to 1989.

[The Commissioner]

... I have no problem with this prolonged curse, but why must my favorite present day ballplayer, the beloved and much maligned, battery operated Shawn Green be made to suffer for the tragedy that transpired in Brooklyn fifteen years prior to his birth?

[donzblock]

There are some things humans were not meant to question or understand. That also applies to Mr. Green.

[DODGER DEB]

MR. GREEN should then excerise his right by asking to be traded. WE will assure him that OUR BROOKLYN CURSE will NOT follow him....right, Professor?

YOU, Commish, will then be able to follow SHAWN, curse free!

c.

[DownUnderDodger]

Hey donzbloc, easy on all that food - I can see a heart attack coming on if you continue those fat riddled meals in celebrations of the demise of the LA Dodgers against the Cards. :D

I am pleased however that you were not nauseated enough to starve to death....something may sadly have happened had they beaten the Cards and rumbled on thru to the WS. :D

Hey, at the start of the season the Dodgers were tipped to finish 3rd at best in the division, and as far as I was concerned this was a rebuilding year, so that the team won the division was a bonus and I congratulate all concerned for the effort.

One saving grace for you in my eyes is that you are a Boston fan......my favourite AL team has always been the Red Sox, so for once we are on common ground. :clapping :D

[cloakedarbiter]

Good point, it's great that the Dodgers are back in the playoffs again, and they'll be back with more next year after this offseason i shall think, LA will always have hope, brooklyn only left with great memories

[donzblock]

Pardon my belches: 2005, a time to dive. You might as well start dreaming up negative rhymes for the next 95 years. Ladies and Gentlemen, you have tons of losing ahead of you!

[moebarguy]

Pardon my belches: 2005, a time to dive. You might as well start dreaming up negative rhymes for the next 95 years. Ladies and Gentlemen, you have tons of losing ahead of you!

I agree. I don't see them putting a playoff team on the field next season.

[DownUnderDodger]

Pardon my belches: 2005, a time to dive. You might as well start dreaming up negative rhymes for the next 95 years. Ladies and Gentlemen, you have tons of losing ahead of you!
Oh ye of little faith - as nauseous as it may make you, I hope you have to eat your words Donz :crazy :D

[donzblock]

Oh ye of little faith - as nauseous as it may make you, I hope you have to eat your words Donz :crazy :D
I have lots of faith--in my curse, and I never throw up. Pick another team.

[Elvis]

Allow me to explain.

Dodger Deb and donzblock are two of our most experienced and knowledgeable baseball fans here at BBF. They were BROOKLYN Dodgers fans, and when O'Malley stole the team in 1957, it wasn't the same for them. LA stole the name, uniform, history, etc. Naturally, you wouldn't root for such teams, so any success by the LA team is nauseating for the Brooklynites like Dodger Deb, donzblock, Jackie42, et al. You wouldn't think that Expo fans would root for the Washington team, would you?

There are plenty of Brooklyn Dodger fans who still root for the Dodgers today, just as there are Angelinos who still root for the Rams and so on. I don't see anything "natural" about it to be so bitter and hatefull. However, none of the old Brooklyn Dodger fans who still root for the Blue are welcome here at BBF, because of the way the Brooklyn forum is run. It's very inclusive to only those who feel as the moderator does about the Dodgers and there's no room for anyone who has a different opinion.

I also visit the Dodgers official MLB message board quite often and there are many regular posters there who grew up in Brooklyn and and arre still Dodger fans. Sad that they do not really have a place here on BBF. :ughh

[moebarguy]

There's plenty to be bitter about...LA stole a storied NY baseball franchise

[Elvis]

There's plenty to be bitter about...LA stole a storied NY baseball franchise

And St Louis "stole" my beloved team but I chose to get over it. Bitterness is a choice, don't kid yourself. When life gives you lemons...

And Los Angeles didn't steal anything - anymore than Chicago "stole" Boeing from Seattle or Washington "stole" the US capitol from Philadelphia or Brooklyn "stole" itself from the native American Indians.

[DODGER DEB]

There are plenty of Brooklyn Dodger fans who still root for the Dodgers today, just as there are Angelinos who still root for the Rams and so on. I don't see anything "natural" about it to be so bitter and hatefull. However, none of the old Brooklyn Dodger fans who still root for the Blue are welcome here at BBF, because of the way the Brooklyn forum is run. It's very inclusive to only those who feel as the moderator does about the Dodgers and there's no room for anyone who has a different opinion.

I also visit the Dodgers official MLB message board quite often and there are many regular posters there who grew up in Brooklyn and and arre still Dodger fans. Sad that they do not really have a place here on BBF. :ughh


Watch yourself there, Elvis. Do NOT overstep your bounds. You are getting awfully close to that line....don't step over it!

AND, do NOT comment on things you know little, or nothing, about!

Consider this a warning!

c.

[UnderPressure]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

[Elvis]

Watch yourself there, Elvis. Do NOT overstep your bounds. You are getting awfully close to that line....don't step over it!

AND, do NOT comment on things you know little, or nothing, about!

Consider this a warning!

c.

Warning for what? Explain yourself.

You are not welcoming towards and don't seem to respect those Brooklyn Dodger fans that still support the Dodgers and you do run an inclusive forum that is genearaly hostile towards Dodger fans. That's fine. Whatever. However, I am not being rude nor innappropriate in any way, so I'm not sure what I'm being warned against doing.

Now what did I say that isn't kosher with the BBF posting guidelines?

[Mattingly]

Warning for what? Explain yourself.

You are not welcoming towards and don't seem to respect those Brooklyn Dodger fans that still support the Dodgers and you do run an inclusive forum that is genearaly hostile towards Dodger fans. That's fine. Whatever. However, I am not being rude nor innappropriate in any way, so I'm not sure what I'm being warned against doing.

Now what did I say that isn't kosher with the BBF posting guidelines?
Could it be that you're saying that several Brooklyn Dodger fans also support the Los Angeles Dodgers? To many I've spoken with here, they are two separate entities and that the Brooklyn Dodgers began and ended in the Borough of Brooklyn, County of Kings, City of New York. Once they moved, they weren't part of the same franchise.

If you feel otherwise, please let us know who the Brooklyn Dodger fans that you know of, who'd supported the team back then, that also are fans of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

[mojorisin71]

I can't speak for all Brooklynites, but the majority of the ones I've worked with and gone to school with seem to disown the LA team. Given how close the Dodgers were to the borough of Brooklyn, I can see why they say the Dodgers died to them in 1957.

But given the success of the franchise on both coasts, this is the only franchise that I've seen with this debate. I don't see much debate with the NY Giants fans, and I don't see many Washingtonians claiming the Twins' franchise pre-1960 history.

[Elvis]

Could it be that you're saying that several Brooklyn Dodger fans also support the Los Angeles Dodgers? To many I've spoken with here, they are two separate entities and that the Brooklyn Dodgers began and ended in the Borough of Brooklyn, County of Kings, City of New York. Once they moved, they weren't part of the same franchise.

If you feel otherwise, please let us know who the Brooklyn Dodger fans that you know of, who'd supported the team back then, that also are fans of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

What is this, the Red scare? Now you want the names of the Dodger fans who rooted for them in Brooklyn and Los Angeles? You can't be so dense as to believe that every single Brooklyn Dodger fan on earth turned against them after the move. Frank Sinatra and Danny Kaye were Brooklyn Dodger fans and Los Angeles Dodger fans to name a couple.

Like I said, of course you won't find any here because they aren't WELCOME here. All I know is that Brooklyn32 (Brooklyn Al) and several other regular posters over on the MLB Dodgers board are proof enough that not every Brooklyn fan turned into a Dodger hater after 1958, although there are some here that would like you to believe that isn't true, or if there are, they are traitors or "imposter" fans.

Baloney.

[Mattingly]

What is this, the Red scare? Now you want the names of the Dodger fans who rooted for them in Brooklyn and Los Angeles? You can't be so dense as to believe that every single Brooklyn Dodger fan on earth turned against them after the move. Frank Sinatra and Danny Kaye were Brooklyn Dodger fans and Los Angeles Dodger fans to name a couple.

Like I said, of course you won't find any here because they aren't WELCOME here. All I know is that Brooklyn32 (Brooklyn Al) and several other regular posters over on the MLB Dodgers board are proof enough that not every Brooklyn fan turned into a Dodger hater after 1958, although there are some here that would like you to believe that isn't true, or if there are, they are traitors or "imposter" fans.

Baloney.
I find that pretty hard to believe. Before I came to this forum--long before, in fact--I've known that the last name you could mention in Brooklyn was that of Walter O'Malley. The so-called "Big O". He's the one who stole the hearts of Brooklyn. I've lived in Brooklyn for 30+ years before moving to NJ.

I've never checked into Sinatra or Kaye. As to your friend on the mlb.com board, you have any links to those threads? There weren't even many Yankee fans in Brooklyn, but for Brooklynites who were fans of the team when they'd actually played there, I think you'll have a very hard time finding any of them rooting for the LA Dodgers.

Johnny Unitas, considered by many to be the greatest NFL QB ever, who'd played for the Baltimore Colts, had his records stripped from the team upon their move to Indianpolis, IN. Does that surprise you?

As to not being allowed here, please give names of BBF forumers who've lived in Brooklyn when Ebbets field was still active, were huge fans of the team at the time, who've expressed on BBF that they were also fans of the Los Angeles Dodgers. In order for your argument to be valid, you *WILL* have to list names of BBF forumers. Oh, and yes, I am being quite serious.

Ball's in your court.

[captsapp]

You know, when the Cleveland Browns were moved to Baltimore, I thought it was stupid that they abandoned the records and stats to become a "new" franchise. Then a few years later another "new" franchise came along and took up those records and stats. I thought that was kinda wussing out by the NFL. Sorta like baseball making a new Washington Senators franchise after the old one moved away. Couldn't they have been the Washington Representatives?;)

I get why people are so mad about the Brooklyn Dodgers. I wasn't even alive then, but I'm mad about it. But it just seems slightly irrational to flame our forum about it. Now, I'm not accusing, I'm just confused. I once met a Brooklyn Dodgers fan while in Tampa Bay, and we had a great conversation. He was the first person I had ever met who had seen them in person, and he said that he simply couldn't follow the LA version. I understood, and we talked about the Brooklyn days. That's why I'm so glad to see a Brooklyn forum here. I like to go there and see reminisces, and join in occasionally. But I try not to make fun of the way they feel, but I am trying to understand it. Maybe it's because I've never lived very close to a baseball team. I've never had "my" team right where I could go see them often. The only time I've seen my favorite team was when they played the Braves a long time ago, because I live in Georgia. A baseball game is a really special occasion to me, because I'm lucky if I get to see one a year.

I guess I just don't understand how people could hate the team for something a stupid person did. It made him a lot of money, but it was still stupid. Someone here has as their quote "in a perfect world, Brooklyn would have kept the Dodgers and LA would have gotten the Mets." Truer words were never spoken, but the worlds' not perfect. I'm glad the Twins fans don't hate their franchise because their owner is stupid (or was, a few years back). I'm also very glad the Twins were never contracted, because of their rich history. I mean, this is the franchise that Walter Johnson pitched for! Just not in Minnesota. I never understood why they don't have a huge picture of him hanging on the outfield wall. I don't get why people bemoan the moving of the Expos, given their pathetic attendance and the long history of baseball in Washington (including a team named the Nationals way back in Teddy Roosevelts' time, before he was President). Maybe because I didn't have to live that history, I'm not as emotionally involved. But I gotta tell you, it actually hurt my feelings when someone said they would rather root for the Mets than the Dodgers. I wonder if they would root for the Giants over the Dodgers? It shouldn't hurt my feelings, but my reaction was that I wouldn't feel like I stuck with my team if I didn't stick with them even if they moved. Of course, part of it could be that I have moved so many times in my life. My friends didn't start hating me because of it.

Peace
Scott

[Elvis]

I find that pretty hard to believe.

Don't care.

Before I came to this forum--long before, in fact--I've known that the last name you could mention in Brooklyn was that of Walter O'Malley. The so-called "Big O". He's the one who stole the hearts of Brooklyn. I've lived in Brooklyn for 30+ years before moving to NJ.


Do all Yankee fans live in the Bronx? There were/are Bklyn/LA Dodger fans all over the United States and all over the world. It's pretty myopic to assume every Brooklyn Dodger fan actually lived in Brooklyn.

I've never checked into Sinatra or Kaye.

Sinatra is pretty common knowledge. Danny Kaye told me so himself.

As to your friend on the mlb.com board, you have any links to those threads?

If I was so inclined I would go find some, but there's not any reason to. I've read their posts. I'm not interested in "proving" their existance anymore than I'm interested in proving to those in the Flat Earth Society that the world is round. Believe what you want - it's no skin off my nose.

There weren't even many Yankee fans in Brooklyn, but for Brooklynites who were fans of the team when they'd actually played there, I think you'll have a very hard time finding any of them rooting for the LA Dodgers.


Again, you're under the false assumption that every Brooklyn Dodgers fan lived in Brooklyn. Being the moderator of these forums should prove to you that fans of teams are all over. There are many regular posters HERE that are huge LA Dodger fans that have never even been to Los Angeles.

Johnny Unitas, considered by many to be the greatest NFL QB ever, who'd played for the Baltimore Colts, had his records stripped from the team upon their move to Indianpolis, IN. Does that surprise you?


No

As to not being allowed here,

I didn't say that. I said not WELCOME.


please give names of BBF forumers who've lived in Brooklyn when Ebbets field was still active, were huge fans of the team at the time, who've expressed on BBF that they were also fans of the Los Angeles Dodgers. In order for your argument to be valid, you *WILL* have to list names of BBF forumers. Oh, and yes, I am being quite serious.

Don't care. I don't have any desire to have you or Deb "validate" the truth for me. My point is valid because it is true, not because you believe it or not, as Ripley said.

[RBi]

I didn't say that. I said not WELCOME.

Where has it ever been said that anyone was not welcome to any forum on the site?

Please share that with me. I will personally address that ASAP.

But with that said, I am not sure what any of your accusations have to do with a thread started 2 years ago? Why would you pull up a thread that has not been replied to in 23 months to stir up trouble?

That to me is the question.

With that said, let this thread die, or stay on topic of the original post....

(we have rules on that one, so please follow.)

I will be waiting for your PM to point me to the folks that do not welcome on topic intelligent post.

[Elvis]

I find that pretty hard to believe. Before I came to this forum--long before, in fact--I've known that the last name you could mention in Brooklyn was that of Walter O'Malley. The so-called "Big O". He's the one who stole the hearts of Brooklyn. I've lived in Brooklyn for 30+ years before moving to NJ.

I've never checked into Sinatra or Kaye. As to your friend on the mlb.com board, you have any links to those threads? There weren't even many Yankee fans in Brooklyn, but for Brooklynites who were fans of the team when they'd actually played there, I think you'll have a very hard time finding any of them rooting for the LA Dodgers.

Johnny Unitas, considered by many to be the greatest NFL QB ever, who'd played for the Baltimore Colts, had his records stripped from the team upon their move to Indianpolis, IN. Does that surprise you?

As to not being allowed here, please give names of BBF forumers who've lived in Brooklyn when Ebbets field was still active, were huge fans of the team at the time, who've expressed on BBF that they were also fans of the Los Angeles Dodgers. In order for your argument to be valid, you *WILL* have to list names of BBF forumers. Oh, and yes, I am being quite serious.

Ball's in your court.


Hell, why not:



From: doiler 11/1/2005 11:22 pm
To: James Creighton unread (8 of 43)
54276.8 in reply to 54276.3

As a Bum Fan since my first game in 1942, I moved to LA two years after the Dodgers. So I am a Dodger ... both Brooklyn and LA.

There are many who were Brooklyn Dodger Fans and who are now LA Dodger Fans.

Go back to your Mets or whoever you now root for. Your comments do a disserve to the many Dodger Fans who were there in Brooklyn and are now in LA.

link (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-dodgers&msg=54276.1&search=y)

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From: ramsley Jul-9 7:33 pm
To: freshdebesh (17 of 56)
64681.17 in reply to 64681.1
If you were a REAL Brooklyn fan in the 1950's, you would still be a Dodger fan today. You might not like what O'Malley did, but the Dodgers are still the Dodgers. I'm from Connecticut and have been a Dodger fan since 1949. It has been difficult following the club after they moved, but I have visited every National League park to see them play. I also spent my vacation one summer attending 24 Dodger games in LA.....For the most part, fans from Brooklyn who proclaim to be Met fans were not even born when the Dodgers left Brooklyn...The REAL Dodger fans have to lighten up and unite together as one. Forget what the Met fans say; most of them are now starting to come out of the woodwork, now that they have a decent team.....To the fans from LA, how would you honestly feel if the Dodgers moved from LA? You'll never real know unless it happens.

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From: seabeachfred 3/12/2006 11:34 am
To: dodgersangels (34 of 93)
59470.34 in reply to 59470.33

My friend, you've asked the very right person on that because I am one of the guys you mentioned in your post, but with one difference. After 49 years I HAVE finally moved on and have decided that after so long it would be really stupid to not come back to my childhood team; at least in the NL where they are no threat to my No. 1 love, the Red Sox.

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From: seabeachfred 3/23/2006 12:59 am
To: 14hodges unread (81 of 93)
59470.81 in reply to 59470.80
Big Gil, most Dodger fans out in California have no idea what the Dodgers meant to Brooklyn. And really why should they. It is their team now and it has been 49 years since the team played in Brooklyn. I could, however, give you one example of how it affected the people there. I had already moved out to California before the Dodgers came but their arrival did not make me feel happy. In fact, I resented it because to me the Dodgers and Brooklyn were synonomous. Finally after 49 years I am rooting for the Dodgers again. There are those who never have recovered. As for why the borough did not get another team, it was because the new stadium was deemed to be in Flushing Meadows in Queens. It also was believed that the city could no longer support three teams. If the Mets were smart they would build their new stadium not in Queens but in the Coney Island section of Brooklyn and call themselves the Brooklyn Mets. They would have all of Brooklyn, Staten Island and still keep most of Long Island. Just my belief.

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From: seabeachfred Apr-2 5:13 pm
To: dodgersangels (86 of 93)
59470.86 in reply to 59470.83
D.A., thanks for that great post about Ebbets Field's rotunda. I had forgotten a lot about what you wrote so it was a real refresher for me. I would have answered you sooner but I just got back early this morning from Fort Myers where I saw the Red Sox play three games and was also able to get in a little golf. Next years I am going to divide my time between Fort Myers and Vero Beach so I can see both my teams. Hope all is well. We'll keep in touch this season, I'm sure. Hopefully the Dodgers will be strong enough to win the NL West and go deep into the playoffs. While I was gone Colletti resigned Jeff Kent for two more years (one is an option). A very good idea because Jeff is a real competitive gamer and a great run producer. By the time Jeff leaves the Dodgers I hope Blake DeWitt will be ready to take over for a dozen years or so.

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From: coachphil 12/18/2005 12:00 pm
To: ALL (26 of 79)
56674.26 in reply to 56674.22

I may not be the "oldest Dodger fan" on the board but I suspect I'm in select company, having turned 70 last week. (Sandy Koufax and I have that in common, along with both being southpaws.) I first started following the Dodgers closely in 1946, the year my dad took me to Fenway Park to see his hero, Ted Williams.

I grew up surrounded by Red Sox and Braves (that's Boston Braves) fans in western Massachusetts and wanted to be "different" I guess, a rebel. It was easy to be a Dodger then and there, however. The Bums were emerging as America's Team in the late 40's with Jackie and Campy and Newk starting out, along with "oldtimers" like Pee Wee and Pistol Pete (Reiser), the Gold Dust Twins; Dixie Walker; Kirbe Higbe; Eddie Stanky; and Hugh Casey. The dulcet tones of Red Barber and Connie Desmond on the radio came through loud and clear where we lived. My brother and I (he was two years younger than I was) both become Dodger fans. Our parents took us to see our first Dodger game in 1948, a Labor Day doubleheader at Braves Field in Boston where Branca and Barney were bested by Spahn and Sain. The final score of the first game was 2-1. Earl Torgeson, the Braves first baseman drove in the winning run in the 14th inning of the first game with a triple off the right field wall. I can still see it like it was yesterday. It was agonizing. Jackie Robinson got picked off first base twice by Warren Spahn, but he was still the most exciting player on the field.

That double-header loss was a turning point in the '48 season. The Dodgers started the day two games back and never recovered. It was just one of many horrible events that occurred for the team during the 40's and 50's until that glorious day: October 4, 1955, when the Brooklyn Dodgers were finally the Champions of the World. By then I was a sophomore in college (UMass in Amherst), but I did have the thrill of being in at Ebbots Field (standing-room only in the LF bleachers) for game 4 of that series. I had a cousin who lived in Scarsdale; her mom was somehow able to scarf up the tickets. I took a day off from school and rode the bus from Northampton to NYC. Game 4 was on Saturday.

Since then I've been a faithful fan of the Dodgers through thick and thin. I had no real problem with the team leaving Brooklyn in 1957 since I wasn't from Brooklyn. I followed them westward myself in 1959 when I went into the Air Force as a second lieutenant. Now living in Las Vegas, retired from the Air Force as well as 24 years of teaching and coaching at the high school level, I make one or two trips to Dodger Stadium each year and--thanks to Direct TV--get to watch most of their games and listen to every one.

My two favorite Dodger moments, after the 1955 triumph, were watching Sandy Koufax, Johnny Podres, and Don Drysdale destroy the Yankees in the 1963 World Series. I was on alert with the 75th FIS at Dow AFB in Maine--and watching on TV--the night Sandy broke Carl Erskine's record for strikeouts in Game One. The other magic moment has to be the Kirk Gibson's stroll aound the bases--fists pumping--in 1988. Come to think of it, it's been a long drought since then. But no matter, I signed up for life.

Thanks for reminding me. It's been a great ride.

P.S. My dad suffered more than I/we did through those many years, but he lived to see his Red Sox finally become World Champs before he passed away this past February at the ripe old age of 96.

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[mojorisin71]

Hmmm...so there are opposing points of view. But unless any of them reported that they were excluded or just plain looked down upon here at BBF, then the list is moot.

[EvanAparra]

I somewhat agree with Elvis, from what i've seen in that forum. It just seems like you're shunned if you are STILL a dodger fan, heaven forbid. Although i'm not one of them, I love Brooklyn but not LA, but i can see where he is coming from.

[mojorisin71]

I'd like to see concrete evidence of Brooklyn fans who root for Los Angeles being shunned and excluded in the Brooklyn forum. The burden of proof is in the accuser's hands.

[EvanAparra]

I have no reason to lie, since i dont even like the Dodgers anymore, and i'm saying that i think he has a case. I dont feel like going into it and digging up stuff, but he does present a case, IMO.

[mojorisin71]

Until any evidence is brought forward, I'll consider this an attack on one of the most valuable BBF members, which constitutes a violation of BBF policy.

This thread will be closed, unless I get a very good (and I mean "VERY good") reason to keep it open.