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BoSox Rule
05-15-2004, 01:35 PM
Pretty simple game. I name two players/pitchers, you give about a couple sentences, stats, etc. why you chose that player, then you name two players.
Curt Schilling or Kevin Brown?
Mattingly
05-15-2004, 01:42 PM
Perhaps I haven't had my coffee yet or need some help. Should I just go ahead and give info on Curt Schilling and Kevin Brown?
For "why you chose that player", should that follow my choice of players, or should it precede my choices?
I'm supposed to choose between Curt and Kevin, so that's who my "choice" is? Then I'd name another two sets of players afterwards?
Thanks, as I'm just trying to see how this game works. :)
BoSox Rule
05-15-2004, 01:44 PM
Yeah, you say who you think is better, give some reasons, then name two players, and someone answers, gives their reasons, gives two new players, and so on.
NickG
05-15-2004, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by tibber
kevin brown. better ERA, more wins, more consistant over his career.
andruw jones/mike cameron?
I'll take Andruw. Better power, almost as good defensively, same on-base ability.
Mike Piazza or Ivan Rodriguez (over the course of their careers)?
leecemark
05-15-2004, 11:11 PM
Piazza. He has posted much better numbers in spite of playing in pitchers park while Rodreguiz has played most of his career in the AL's best hitters park. Easily outweighs defense edge by Pudge.
Carlos Delgado vs Jim Thome
tibber
05-16-2004, 12:21 PM
thome. more HR, hit's, avg, better defensively.
tom glavine or andy pettitte?
and can we include non-active players?
Cheswick19
05-16-2004, 01:25 PM
Andy Pettitte, it was close, but I pick Pettitte becuase he edges Glavine out in postseason records: Pettitte - 13-8, Glavine - 12-15. Plus I think when both are retired Pettitte will be better overall.
Carlos Beltran or Juan Pierre
Hammerin Hank
05-16-2004, 01:47 PM
Beltran. Carlos is good in almost every aspect but Juan doesn't have much power.
Moises Alou or Carlos Lee?
MikeCameronFAN
05-16-2004, 04:21 PM
I was away from the Internet this weekend, but I want to let everyone know that I'd take Cameron over any center fielder in baseball today. Andruw Jones and Jim Edmonds are two of the most overrated players in the game today, while Mike is one of the most underrated. What Cammy lacks in offense, he more than makes up for with his defense. He's the best fielder in baseball, period.
But, back to my choices...
Alou v Lee:
It depends on if you're talking long-term or right now. Long term, I'd take Carlos Lee because of the 37-28 age difference. Right now though, you could basically flip a coin.
Next...
Scott Rolen vs. Eric Chavez
P.S. This is really cool! (http://www.baseball-reference.com/compare.cgi)
BoSox Rule
05-16-2004, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by MikeCameronFAN
I was away from the Internet this weekend, but I want to let everyone know that I'd take Cameron over any center fielder in baseball today. Andruw Jones and Jim Edmonds are two of the most overrated players in the game today, while Mike is one of the most underrated. What Cammy lacks in offense, he more than makes up for with his defense. He's the best fielder in baseball, period.
Andruw Jones is better offensively and defensively.
tibber
05-16-2004, 06:22 PM
when andruw learns to quit swinging at every pitch between the two dugouts and quits trying to hit every ball for a home run, then he'll be recognized (at least by me) as one of the game's best.
anyway, as for the question at hand, it's a toss up, but i take chavez. better power and probably better glove.
larry walker or todd helton?
BoSox Rule
05-16-2004, 06:33 PM
Helton in a landslide.
Hudson, Mulder, or Zito
leecemark
05-16-2004, 07:21 PM
I think Hudson will end up having the best career. I'd be happy with any of them though.
Mike Cameron or Tori Hunter
MikeCameronFAN
05-16-2004, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by BoSox Rule
Andruw Jones is better offensively and defensively.
Why do you say that? Because he makes more *spectacular* catches? Consider this...
(Que "Twilight Zone" music)
During 2 seperate games, 2 fly balls are hit to the exact same point on the field with the exact same trajectory at the exact same time.
Player A runs and lays out for the ball making a diving catch that is replayed on Sportscenter.
Player B puts himself into better position before the pitch and makes the catch look easy.
Who is the better fielder?
Defensive metrics aren't yet as reliable as their offensive counterparts, but pretty much any advanced defensive metric agrees that Mike Cameron is a better defensive center fielder than Andruw Jones.
2003 Defensive Win Shares:
Cameron: 7.73
Jones: 6.04
UZR Runs (per 162 GP) 2000-2003:
Cameron: 26
Jones: 15
Range Factor:
Cameron:
'98: 2.92
'99: 2.71
'00: 2.85
'01: 2.96
'02: 2.88
'03: 3.42
Jones:
'98: 2.84
'99: 3.15
'00: 2.82
'01: 2.95
'02: 2.71
'03: 2.70
Baseball Prospectus Defense:
Cameron:
'01: 12
'02: 7
'03: 21
Jones:
'01: 18
'02: 18
'03: 14
Sorry, I didn't want to turn this thread into a Cameron vs. Jones debate, but I had to defend my point.
tearforamariner
05-16-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by leecemark
I think Hudson will end up having the best career. I'd be happy with any of them though.
Mike Cameron or Tori Hunter
Torii, better offense and the same kind of defense.
And since their birthday's coming up, how about we compare two of baseball's most similar batters:
Bagwell or Thomas?
Bagwell: although Thomas has been slightly more consistent in his damage from the plate, I would rather go for the complete first baseman. Especially if I was an NL manager.
Jim Edmonds or Larry Walker?
tibber
05-16-2004, 09:41 PM
tough one, but i'll go with edmonds. while i don't doubt walker would have had a fine career no matter where he played, i do have a hard time believing he'd put up numbers similar to those with the rockies.
chipper jones or j.d. drew?
leecemark
05-16-2004, 09:48 PM
Seriously? Chipper Jones is building a Hall of Fame case. Drew has been an injury prone disappointment.
Which will be the top free agent firstbaseman this winter - Richie Sexton or Carlos Delgado?
Roy Hobbs
05-16-2004, 10:03 PM
That's a rough question. Delgado obviously has had a better career, but Sexson may have a better season, hard to say.
Edge Delgado for me, though.
Alex Rodriguez or Carlos Beltran?
MikeCameronFAN
05-16-2004, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by leecemark
Which will be the top free agent firstbaseman this winter - Richie Sexton or Carlos Delgado?
I say Sexson, although it will be interesting.
Delgado has the better career line, but Sexson is 2 years younger and, although he is currently hurt, is having a better 2004.
Jim Thome or Jason Giambi?
tibber
05-16-2004, 10:04 PM
when drew is healthy, he's far better than chipper jones, imo.
edit: since MCF beat me to the last question, i'll pick thome. similar hitters i guess, but thome is better defensively. and, right now, a-rod over beltran. it looks beltran is only now starting to come into his own though.
roger clemens or randy johnson?
Roy Hobbs
05-16-2004, 10:08 PM
Roger Clemens.
Randy is just a bunch of raw power. He's waited until his 40s to really even try to be anything more than blow-past guy. He's more injury prone and hasn't had near as much consistency over his career.
leecemark
05-16-2004, 10:08 PM
We've got 3 unanswered going here. I'll say Thome, A-Rod and Rocket .
Roy Hobbs
05-16-2004, 10:10 PM
Yeah, that's why I didn't pose a new question after answering Rocket-Unit. Too many of us answered Sexson/Delgado at the exact same time ;).
tibber
05-16-2004, 10:16 PM
ok, now that we seem to have a break in the action...
mariano rivera or trevor hoffman?
edited because rivera/gagne didn't seem like a fair comparison
racosun
05-16-2004, 11:27 PM
This was an easy decision...
Rivera, because he's Rivera and his career speaks for itself. Hoffman has a lot of fabulous pitching to do to catch Mo.
Now, how about Lou Pinella or Larry Bowa?
leecemark
05-17-2004, 06:18 AM
Pinella hands down. Bowa has never won anything.
Curt Schilling or Pedro Martinez
Hammerin Hank
05-17-2004, 08:34 AM
Pedro. He's had a much better career and has more good years to come.
Michael Barrett or Damian Miller? :D
ooo... good one...
Barrett: while Miller has had the better career so far, and while Barrett has had only one good year ('99), Barrett is just so much younger that I have to take him. Heck, just moving out of Montreal seems to have injected something in him (or is it moving into Wrigley Field?).
For the future -- Bobby Crosby or Rafael Furcal?
BoSox Rule
05-17-2004, 12:12 PM
Furcal. He's proved to me what he can do. We'll see what Bobby can do.
Vlad or Beltran
Mattingly
05-17-2004, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by racosun
This was an easy decision...
Rivera, because he's Rivera and his career speaks for itself. Hoffman has a lot of fabulous pitching to do to catch Mo.
Now, how about Lou Pinella or Larry Bowa? To my knowledge, the last time they faced each other ('98 WS), Hoffman didn't seem to get lots of work in, if a sweep is any indication.
I'd have taken Torre vs Piniella myself. For Mariano, I would've taken Smoltz, since he seems at least more compatible, is considered one of the better ones out there.
KHenry14
05-17-2004, 01:57 PM
Give me Vlad over Beltran. He's done it longer and greater. And you can see the impact he's having on the Halos.
Dont' get me wrong, Carlos can play on my team anytime, but Vlad is outstanding.
Overbay or Texiera?
The Dude
05-17-2004, 02:04 PM
It's a hard one.
Texiera is younger.
Overbay is performing better.
I go with Overbay because he's already got more then half the RBI's Texiera had in his first full season, and Overbay is destroying Texiera this year.
.369-.203 average, overbay advantage. That's enough.
Omar Vizquel or Barry Larkin?
tibber
05-17-2004, 03:01 PM
both are probably equal defensively, but larkin is better with the bat so i give him a slight edge.
jose vidro or luis castillo?
Hammerin Hank
05-18-2004, 02:33 PM
Vidro might be slower but he's better offensively.
Carlos Zambrano or Mark Buehrle?
tibber
05-18-2004, 03:24 PM
as of right now, zambrano, because buehrle doesn't seem to be the same since he made the all-star game a few years ago. and i definitely think zambrano's best years are ahead of him.
johnny estrada or jason kendall?
tearforamariner
05-18-2004, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by tibber
as of right now, zambrano, because buehrle doesn't seem to be the same since he made the all-star game a few years ago. and i definitely think zambrano's best years are ahead of him.
johnny estrada or jason kendall?
No brainer, Jason Kendall. He's just overall a better player.
Mike Mussina or Freddy Garcia?
leecemark
05-18-2004, 04:00 PM
Mussina has obviously had the better career to this point. I think Freddy finally grew up this year though and will be a ace from sombody for years to come. So, Garcia.
Jeff Kent or Brett Boone
tearforamariner
05-18-2004, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by leecemark
Mussina has obviously had the better career to this point. I think Freddy finally grew up this year though and will be a ace from sombody for years to come. So, Garcia.
Jeff Kent or Brett Boone
Possibly the closest argument we've had yet. Offensively, they are awefully close, and I'd give the defensive edge to Boone, so all in all, I'd say Bret Boone.
Kevin Brown or Roger Clemens?
Hammerin Hank
05-18-2004, 04:13 PM
Neither.
Clemens: He's just been healthier than Brown these past few years... and while neither of them won't be pitching much longer (we think), I'll go for the surer thing through the regular season. Let's do the frontrunners for the AL batting title.
Melvin Mora or Michael Young ?
leecemark
05-18-2004, 08:36 PM
Either winning the batting title would be a surprise. Didnt Mora have a similar start last year and then fizzle? I Young is a better all round player.
Here's one for you Yankee fans - Bernie Williams or Kenny Lofton?
Mora got injured last year after taking a fastball to the face. That's how his stats fizzled.
I'll pass the buck on the Yankees question so's I don't hog everything.
leecemark
05-18-2004, 09:59 PM
A fastball in the face does have a discouraging affect on your approach at the plate. Still he never really has put together a full season of quality work. I always think of him as kind of a super utility guy who fades when he gets too much playing time.
racosun
05-18-2004, 10:33 PM
If I were a Yankees fan, I'd take Williams over Lofton. He's just done so much and had so many great years for the Yankees that he's one of the immortals in that town now. The Yanks got Lofton at the tail end of his brilliant career, so they don't have the guy in the highlight reels of years past. But I'm curious to see if any Yankee fans would disagree with that.
How about:
Peter Angelos or Mike Illitch?
1984Tigers
05-19-2004, 02:48 AM
Peter Angelos
(Illitch ranked himself up there with the devil when he forced Comerica down our throats and took Tiger Stadium away from the fans :mad: )
Ivan Rodriguez or Mickey Cochrane?
leecemark
05-19-2004, 06:14 AM
While I have alot of fond memories of Tiger Stadium, it was pretty rundown and lacking in modern amenities. I think it would have been replaced no matter who the owner was. I hold Illitch's unwilling to spend on the Tigers while having the highest payroll in hockey against him alot more.
Cochrane still has the edge over Rodreguiz for me, but if Ivan keeps adding to his record....
Jason Varitek or Jorge Posada?
racosun
05-19-2004, 11:49 AM
Posada, mainly because he's got way more power than Varitek, which is fairly rare among catchers.
Rocket or Pedro?
The Dude
05-19-2004, 11:57 AM
Rocket. he doesn't get injured every season.
Rocket or Big Unit?
tibber
05-19-2004, 02:49 PM
that one's been done. :)
brian giles or chipper jones?
The Dude
05-19-2004, 03:10 PM
Didn't know that we couldn't get more than 1 persons opinion on it, so sorry.
tibber
05-19-2004, 03:30 PM
woah, no offense or nothing, just didn't see any point in repitition.
don't mind me, nothing to see here...
The Dude
05-19-2004, 04:37 PM
Ah, sorry. Not only did we have to spend $500 dollars on a new computer, but we found out our only car's transmission is bunked and that's gonna cost 2K. Didn't mean to redirect my anger at yah. =/
leecemark
05-19-2004, 04:50 PM
Giles is a very underrated star, but I'd take Jones.
Edgar Renteria or Orlando Caberra?
abolishthedh
05-19-2004, 05:23 PM
Renteria, because he's coming in to his own as a hitter. The two have nearly identical defensive stats in terms of errors and range factors. Also, Renteria is actually a year younger than Cabrera. I found that surprising, actually.
Mark Prior or Roy Oswalt?
PumpsieGreen
05-19-2004, 05:33 PM
When fully healthy, it's surely Prior. Both appear to be injury prone, though, yet both are big game pitchers.
Albert Pujols vs. Alex Rodriguez
tibber
05-19-2004, 05:37 PM
it's cool, DC. :cool:
gah, beaten again. i'll take a-rod right now because pujols seems to be struggling (for him.) later on? i dunno...
adam dunn or miguel cabrerra?
BoSox Rule
05-19-2004, 05:38 PM
Pujols. Pujols is younger (possibly) and I feel A-Rod is overrated as a hitter due to Seattle and Texas, but with his defense he might sneak right about Pujols.
Manny Ramirez or Jason Giambi?
tibber
05-19-2004, 05:42 PM
manny seems to be more consistant.
same question as above . :)
leecemark
05-19-2004, 06:00 PM
I think Miguel Caberra is going to be a huge star. Dunn just anothe rpower guy. And I was surprised Renteria is younger than Orlando Caberra. It seems like Edgar has been around forever.
Aramis Rameriz or Milke Lowell?
tibber
05-19-2004, 07:15 PM
lowell has already proven that he can hit on a regular basis. ramirez is having a great year but has been pretty inconsistant.
juan pierre or corey patterson?
BoSox Rule
05-19-2004, 07:27 PM
Pierre hits more and steals more.
Kerry Wood or Carlos Zambrano
Hammerin Hank
05-19-2004, 08:17 PM
I'd take the experience of Wood of Zambrano.
Pepsi or Coke?
Wait, wrong question..
Barry Bonds or Ted Williams?
racosun
05-19-2004, 08:48 PM
Williams any day. Barry just whines too damn much.
Tejada or Nomar?
leecemark
05-19-2004, 09:01 PM
Nomar has had the better career, but Tejada is better now.
Jamie Moyer or David Wells
racosun
05-19-2004, 09:37 PM
Both have had solid careers, but Moyer isn't the same old Moyer right now. Wells has pitched decently so far this year, although the W-L record would say otherwise. His WHIP isn't too shabby, so I go for Wells.
Pettite or Glavine?
Hammerin Hank
05-20-2004, 10:33 AM
Pettitte. He's been more consistent the last few years.
Alex Gonzalez or Alex S. Gonzalez?
BoSox Rule
05-20-2004, 11:47 AM
Neither, they both have hit -.245 in there careers :)
Greg Maddux or David Wells
abolishthedh
05-20-2004, 01:06 PM
Maddux. Wells still amazes this fan, and I continue to believe that his weight will spell an early end to his career. Of course, I've been saying that for 5 years, but surely this is his last year as a starter! :p
Jose Vidro or Mark Loretta?
PumpsieGreen
05-20-2004, 01:36 PM
Closer than many people would actually think, considering Loretta is one of the game's most underrated hitters. Still have to give the edge to Vidro, a personal favorite who actually happens to be one of the game's most underrated players, too. The numbers speak: Vidro is one of the National League's most consistent hitters, always one of the top BA guys. I just hope he can go somewhere where he'll get the attention he deserves.
Jim Thome vs. Jason Giambi
Hammerin Hank
05-20-2004, 02:07 PM
Thome. Giambi hasn't been the same these last couple years. Thome would still have more power anyway.
Ben Sheets or Jake Peavy?
BoSox Rule
05-20-2004, 02:19 PM
Both have been great this year but Sheet's 18 K game looks like the start of something really special, and does it for me.
Sammy Sosa or Gary Sheffield.
leecemark
05-20-2004, 03:06 PM
Sheffield is probably more talented, Sosa has gotten more out of his.
Bobby Abreu or Ichiro Suzucki
Hammerin Hank
05-20-2004, 03:15 PM
Ichiro is the better choice, economically. He draws more fans, and has a more widespread fan base. The whole team profits from that.
Luis Gonzalez or Moises Alou?
PumpsieGreen
05-20-2004, 03:31 PM
Gonzalez. He carries the big bat, and is a key offensive cog on that team, even if newcomer Richie Sexson is superior.
Jason Schmidt vs. Javier Vazquez
Hammerin Hank
05-20-2004, 04:14 PM
Vasquez. His better years are still ahead of him. Although Schmidt will continue to amaze us.
Frank Thomas or Edgar Martinez?
tibber
05-20-2004, 04:16 PM
vazquez has pitched well, but has never had a season as good as schmidt's last year. in the long run though, i think vazquez may end up with the better numbers over all.
i won't bother editing the above...i will say martinez over thomas, because thomas is probably past his prime.
hank blalock or scott rolen?
racosun
05-20-2004, 04:19 PM
The Big Hurt, because he's a bad man in the batter's box. Of course he's not what he used to be, but he's still better than Martinez.
I'd also take Rolen over Blalock since Hank has more work to do to get to Rolen's level of play.
Aubrey Huff or Phil Nevin?
Hammerin Hank
05-20-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by tibber
i won't bother editing the above...i will say martinez over thomas, because thomas is probably past his prime.
And the 41-year-old Martinez isn't?
PumpsieGreen
05-20-2004, 04:37 PM
I'll take Huff. He's the more well rounded hitter, although Nevin is the better power hitter.
Rocco Baldelli vs. Carl Crawford
BoSox Rule
05-20-2004, 04:41 PM
Crawford, more speed, better hitter, better fielder I think.
Chipper Jones vs. Trot Nixon
tearforamariner
05-20-2004, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by PumpsieGreen
I'll take Huff. He's the more well rounded hitter, although Nevin is the better power hitter.
Rocco Baldelli vs. Carl Crawford
Crawford, he's just too fast to be ignored.
Greg Maddux or Tom Glavine?
tearforamariner
05-20-2004, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by BoSox Rule
Crawford, more speed, better hitter, better fielder I think.
Chipper Jones vs. Trot Nixon
Ya beat me to it.
I'll take Chippie on this one. He's a powerhouse offensively.
PumpsieGreen
05-20-2004, 04:46 PM
Yeah, Jones is a HOFer with 6-7 more great seasons, IMO. I'm not going to hog and do another player comparison, because those are just too fun. I'll let someone else come up with one.
BoSox Rule
05-20-2004, 05:42 PM
Luis Castillo or Jose Vidro
Hammerin Hank
05-20-2004, 05:54 PM
I'll take Vidro's bat over Castillo's speed. Castillo seems to be having an off year but even so Vidro's been a better batter altogether.
Ken Griffey Jr. or Larry Walker?
leecemark
05-20-2004, 05:56 PM
Glavine very good, Maddux great. Glavine may have more left though. He is looking like Moyer so far this year. I guess I'd take Glavine today. Still a question open so I won't post another one.
powderblue
05-20-2004, 07:04 PM
griffey (pre-cincy). the last few years have not been kind to either with all the injuries, but a healthy griffey is as good as it gets.
juan peirre or scott posednick (are either of those spelled correctly?)?
BoSox Rule
05-20-2004, 07:10 PM
Pierre. He'll give you more speed, more hits, and a similiar average.
When its all said and done: Nomar Garciaparra or Derek Jeter
Hammerin Hank
05-20-2004, 07:24 PM
Garciaparra. Jeter's been thriving off a hundred million dollar lineup.
C.C. Sabathia or Ben Sheets?
BoSox Rule
05-20-2004, 08:05 PM
Sabathia is simply amazing, he also comes with an added bonus: the hand he happens to throw with.
Posada or Piazza
leecemark
05-20-2004, 08:23 PM
Piazza is much better for his career, but I'd take Posada now.
Adrian Beltre or Aramis Rameriz
Zito75
05-21-2004, 06:50 PM
Beltre. Finally maturing, hits for average and power. Nice OPS. Smart player.
Schilling or Big Unit
leecemark
05-21-2004, 07:15 PM
Definately the Unit. I like Schilling, but Johnson is better in every way.
Johan Santana or Josh Beckett
ElHalo
05-21-2004, 07:22 PM
A month ago, I probably would have gone with Jeter over Garciaparra, because Garciaparra is baseball's version of Chris Webber... great, great, AWESOME player, but if he doesn't come through in the clutch and misses half your games because of injury how valuable is he? But Jeter's hitting woes have me... more than a little bit concerned about his longterm prognosis.
Rafael Soriano or Fransisco Rodriguez?
BoSox Rule
05-21-2004, 09:23 PM
Soriano has AMAZING STUFF. I like K-Rod, both are amazing though.
Scott Williamson or Tom Gordon
NickG
05-21-2004, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by leecemark
Definately the Unit. I like Schilling, but Johnson is better in every way.
Johan Santana or Josh Beckett
Santana. Beckett strikes me as a Kerry Wood type at this point in his career -- inconsistent, but unhittable when he's on. Santana has the talent to compete for a Cy Young right now, and I'm not sure Beckett can do that just yet.
Larry Walker or Gary Sheffield, injuries notwithstanding.
leecemark
05-21-2004, 11:57 PM
Its hard to know exactly how much to discount Walker's record due to his Coors Field advantage. I discount it enough to prefer Sheffield though.
Todd Helton vs Jeff Bagwell
PumpsieGreen
05-22-2004, 05:49 AM
Helton gets the benefit of Coors, which makes him look like the successor to Hank Aaron, but take that away, and Bags is slightly better. Bagwell is a hall of famer at this point, and Helton shouldn't be.
Torii Hunter vs. Jacque Jones
BoSox Rule
05-22-2004, 07:04 AM
Jones, he's put up signicantly better offense this year, and for a whole career. And Hunter's D doesn't make up for it, I doubt Jones' can be that bad anyway.
Chipper or Andruw
leecemark
05-22-2004, 07:28 AM
Chipper is the better hitter, but the defensive gap is wider than the offensive one. I take Andruw hands down.
This one is obviously for career value since Molitor's posiition is now hitting coach, but...
Edgar Martinez vs Paul Molitor
Zito75
05-22-2004, 05:05 PM
Molitor, easily. He was more of a complete player. Good speed, hit for average and way up there in career hits. Sorry Edgar, you can't hold his jock.
Garrett Anderson or Shawn Green
tibber
05-22-2004, 06:34 PM
shawn and garrett's careers seem to be heading in the exact opposite directions. i'll take garrett.
ugeth urbina or eddie guardado? (sp)
leecemark
05-22-2004, 10:35 PM
I'd take Eddie for his more consistent performance in recent years. Neither is what I'd call an elite closer though. On the previous comp, I'd say not so fast on Garrett Anderson. He's on the DL and diagnosed with arthrytis weeks after inking a huge 4 year deal. Signing a big deal with the Angels has been unlucky for quite a few guys over the years.
Derrek Lee or Riche Sexton
PumpsieGreen
05-23-2004, 05:43 AM
I think you meant Richie Sexson. If so, I take him in a landslide. He's a proven danger, one of the NL's top power hitters, although his talent isn't showing in Arizona's standings. Sexson has become one of the best sluggers in the game, and he can hit for decent average, as well. Interesting fact-from 2001-2003, Sexson had more home runs than Albert Pujols.
Prince Fielder vs. Delmon Young
racosun
05-23-2004, 09:14 AM
Ah, the Tiger-spawn boys. Let me see.....
I'd take Fielder, but only because his dad cranked out over 100 homers in two seasons and the Pup is a better athlete than the Pop.
Carlos Beltran or Barry Bonds?
Zito75
05-23-2004, 09:51 AM
I'll take Beltran. He does more on offense, as a complete player. Bonds won't steal anymore and the injuries are finally catching up with Mr. Juicer.
Pujols or Beltran
Mattingly
05-23-2004, 10:05 AM
Barry (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=3918) by a country mile. I was going to consider Carlos (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6132)' high offensive numbers, but he's only hitting .274 with a .937 OPS, and that OPS is very respectable. Compared to .337 with a 1.384 OPS, and a .613 OBP which is higher than Carlos' .573 SLG, it's pretty easy. Interestingly, Carlos' 11 jacks are 1 more than Barry's 10. As expected, Carlos has 157 AB in 40 G, while Barry has 83 AB in 35 G.
Manny Ramirez or Albert Pujols?
Edit: I see that Zito has beaten me to the punch. :o :(
Mattingly
05-23-2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Zito75
I'll take Beltran. He does more on offense, as a complete player. Bonds won't steal anymore and the injuries are finally catching up with Mr. Juicer. He's got more doubles, Barry's got zero triples, and Beltran's got more ribeyes and thefts. Is that what you'd meant?
Barry needs to get more XBHs, instead of walks and singles. He needs to do more mashing, rather than having opposing managers and pitchers scared out of their wits.
BoSox Rule
05-23-2004, 01:25 PM
Manny. He is a better all around hitter. Plus Pujols is only hitting .280.
Kevin Youkilis or Bobby Crosby
1984Tigers
05-23-2004, 03:19 PM
Crosby.
Have yet to see enough from Youkilis.
Ivan Rodriguez or Mike Piazza?
Mattingly
05-23-2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by 1984Tigers
Crosby.
Have yet to see enough from Youkilis.
Ivan Rodriguez or Mike Piazza? Ivan. What do they say in NFL? "DEE-FENSE!"
Plus his bat's not too shabby either.
Carlos Delgado or Jim Thome?
racosun
05-23-2004, 04:57 PM
Delgado over Thome, but they are both very great first-basemen. I'd be happy with either, but if you were to twist my arm I'd have to take Delgado because he has more left in the tank than Thome.
Clemens or Pettite?
Mattingly
05-23-2004, 06:04 PM
Never mess with a legend. I'd take the Rocket easy, just based upon his career. As to 2004, glance at the stats and you won't even need to compare.
Mark Mulder or Kerry Wood?
BoSox Rule
05-23-2004, 06:47 PM
Wood. Mulder sucks on the road. If he's in Oakland all time Im talking Mark.
Tupac or Biggie..............Jose Contreras or Edwin Jackson
Mattingly
05-23-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by BoSox Rule
Wood. Mulder sucks on the road. If he's in Oakland all time Im talking Mark.
Tupac or Biggie..............Jose Contreras or Edwin Jackson Hypnotize! :D :p
Edwin (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7241). José (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7043) has lots to prove, despite having a superb outing wasted by bullpen fiascos on Saturday. No use comparing a 2.45 ERA to 7.56, or 2 HR to 8, both in Edwin's favor.
Vladimir Guerrero or Ichiro Suzuki.
racosun
05-23-2004, 07:29 PM
My Mama always said, Jose Contreras is like a box of chocolates....you never know what you're going to get. Jackson, on the other hand, has limitless potential and age on his side. Jose could be 45 years old right now and we'd never know it. So, I choose Jackson, even though he's in the minors right now.
edit: Mattingly beat me to the last one, so for his I choose Big Bad Vlad. He's got way more power, and the arms are very comparable.
Raul Mondesi or Moises Alou?
Mattingly
05-23-2004, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by racosun
My Mama always said, Jose Contreras is like a box of chocolates....you never know what you're going to get. Jackson, on the other hand, has limitless potential and age on his side. Jose could be 45 years old right now and we'd never know it. So, I choose Jackson, even though he's in the minors right now.
Raul Mondesi or Moises Alou? I should skunk this whole thread by saying that Raul's nothing but a crybaby who disses his prior managers, both in Toronto and the Bronx, once he'd left town.
I'll take Moises (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4517) bats .317/.351/.616/.966, has 22 2B, 31 RBI, 12 HR.
Raul (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5090) *WAS* batting .283/.355/.424/.779, 8 2B, 14 RBI, 2 HR. It's not much of a comparison.
I'll let my last Vlad/Ichiro thing stand as my next one.
Roy Hobbs
05-23-2004, 08:20 PM
Vlad.
Vlad has a higher OPS, Vlad hits a lot more homers, Vlad can steal pretty well himself, Vlad doesn't strikeout significantly more than Ichiro, his lifetime BA is only 5 points lower than Suzukis.
He's a slightly lesser contact hitter but is better in more key categories and a lot of categories Ichiro is very good at (steals, hits, ) Vlad is more than comparable.
Vlad's the type of guy that can win the Triple Crown.
Roy Hobbs
05-23-2004, 08:21 PM
Sorry, forgot to list two players. Can it be historical players or just active?
Roy Hobbs
05-23-2004, 08:28 PM
Dontrelle Willis or Ben Sheets?
Mattingly
05-23-2004, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Roy Hobbs
Sorry, forgot to list two players. Can it be historical players or just active? Until BoSox Rule says otherwise, let's just stick with current guys. If historical, we'll get into the whole Ruth/Cobb, Mantle/Mays thing which will take forever. Hey, "Current Events". :)
leecemark
05-23-2004, 08:44 PM
There is a thread doing the same game in the History of the Game forum called "Clash of the Titans" if you're interested.
Zito75
05-24-2004, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by Roy Hobbs
Dontrelle Willis or Ben Sheets?
I'll take Sheets. Dontrelle still hasn't proven himself, IMO. So he had a great 1/2 a year last year...woopie.
Scott Rolen or Mike Lowell
BoSox Rule
05-24-2004, 12:11 PM
Rolen has a slightly better bat, and much better defense. Rolen plays unbelievable defense.
Curt Schilling or Tom Glavine
Hammerin Hank
05-24-2004, 02:11 PM
Schilling. Glavine's shaky season last year doesn't give me a lot of confidence in him.
Kerry Wood or Roy Halladay?
BoSox Rule
05-24-2004, 02:23 PM
Kerry Wood. I was never really impressed with Halladay for some reason, Wood's nasty.
Nomar or Michael Young
Chief Wahoo
05-24-2004, 02:31 PM
Michael Young. He's pretty solid, whereas Nomar still hasn't managed to impress me since he got hurt years back
WHO'S A BIGGER HATED MAN IN BASEBALL:
Steinbrenner or Selig
BoSox Rule
05-24-2004, 02:35 PM
You, because you ruined a perfectly good thread....
Ken Griffey, Jr. or Bernie Williams
Chief Wahoo
05-24-2004, 02:52 PM
hiss hiss
I'd have to say Bernie Williams. He's one of the best switch hitters in the game, has a great glove, and can even dive without getting hurt.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Reds, but Griffey has failed to earn his pay so far. This year may be his year however, he seems to be coming back to reality.
Kerry Wood or Mark Prior
(when both healthy)
tibber
05-24-2004, 02:54 PM
prior has better stuff i think. i think when it's over, he'll have the better numbers.
charles johnson or mike lieberthal?
BoSox Rule
05-24-2004, 08:15 PM
Leiberthal. No real reason here.
Pedro or Prior (keep in mind, what Prior did last year (.750 winning %, 175 ERA+, Pedro's done for his career stats)
Zito75
05-24-2004, 08:59 PM
I like Prior, but he needs to prove us he's the real deal. So I have to say Pedro. He's been a stud for the last 10 years.
Giambi or Bagwell
Roy Hobbs
05-24-2004, 10:08 PM
That's a tough one OPS, batting average, and home run numbers are basically a wash.
As are K and walk rates really.
Bagwell edges out because of SBs.
Sean Casey or Adam Dunn?
MikeCameronFAN
05-24-2004, 10:21 PM
I'd take Dunn for his power and youth.
Jeromy Burnitz or Reggie Sanders?
cloakedarbiter
05-25-2004, 02:21 AM
burnitz for major power and decent average (well, since going to coors field) and he's on my fantasy team
hank blalock and miguel cabrera? (look at their stats so far! almost exactly the same)
abolishthedh
05-25-2004, 08:28 AM
Another great matchup. I've seen Cabrera a little more, and I've been impressed with what I've heard and seen. Cabrera, although this is one which may take time to tell the tale.
Magglio Ordonez or Vlad Guerrero?
KHenry14
05-25-2004, 09:02 AM
All you need to know about this choice is to look how Vlad is carrying the Halos this year. Their lineup (save Guillen) is in tatters yet they are still winning. Vlad gets most of the credit for that.
Jason Schmidt or Kerry Wood
KH14
Hammerin Hank
05-25-2004, 10:23 AM
Schmidt's been good for the last few seasons but before that he was a mediocre pitcher. Wood's been amazing all except one season in his career.
Henry Rodriguez or Lee Stevens?
PumpsieGreen
05-25-2004, 02:50 PM
Stevens has been more consistent, although Rodriguez had the higher peak seasons.
Frank Thomas vs. Jeff Bagwell-Overall Career
tearforamariner
05-25-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by PumpsieGreen
Stevens has been more consistent, although Rodriguez had the higher peak seasons.
Frank Thomas vs. Jeff Bagwell-Overall Career
I'd say that one's too close to call.
BoSox Rule
05-25-2004, 03:06 PM
Bags, good with the bat, not too shabby on the bases or in the field.
Tim Hudson or Pedro
cloakedarbiter
05-25-2004, 04:53 PM
i'd pick hudson, a great workhorse... pedro's running out of gas fast, but i think he'll lower his season ERA sooner or later (3.68)
mike lowell or scott rolen?
abolishthedh
05-26-2004, 10:09 AM
Rolen, especially if his start this year is a sign of maturing in some fashion at the plate. Close though.
Troy Percival or Trevor Hoffman?
Hammerin Hank
05-26-2004, 02:16 PM
Both are equally talented but ove the years Percival has impressed me the most. Perhaps it's because Hoffman was drafted for my fantasy team last year.
Bo Hart or Bobby Hill?
PumpsieGreen
05-30-2004, 05:49 AM
Personally, Hart is one of my favorite players, but I also think he's actually the better player. Hart has done more in his big league time, and can hit in the clutch, as he's proven.
Potentially:
Austin Kearns vs. Adam Dunn
Hammerin Hank
05-30-2004, 08:10 AM
Dunn. He's going to hit more homers and get more RBI, plus he has a great OBP already.
Luis Gonzalez or Ken Griffey Jr.?
BoSox Rule
05-30-2004, 08:34 AM
Griffey, Jr. easily. He's had so many amazing years. Gonzo's was an unbelievable fluke.
David Ortiz or Jason Giambi
Hammerin Hank
05-30-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by BoSox Rule
Griffey, Jr. easily. He's had so many amazing years. Gonzo's was an unbelievable fluke.
The Reds would disagree.
cloakedarbiter
05-31-2004, 02:50 AM
David Ortiz... i just dont like giambi, he's on the DL now anyway... Ortiz has certainly been a surprise since last year
cloakedarbiter
05-31-2004, 02:53 AM
brad penny or carlos zambrano?
BoSox Rule
05-31-2004, 07:16 AM
Carlos Zambrano, combine his stuff which he knows how to use and the amazing year he's been having, it's hard not to take him over just about anybody.
Mark Bellhorn or Todd Walker
PumpsieGreen
05-31-2004, 09:05 AM
Walker's more proven, but Bellhorn is much more explosive, and is proving himself this season as a potent power hitter. I'd take Mark.
Craig Biggio vs. Roberto Alomar
Coal Cracker
05-31-2004, 12:28 PM
Tough call here but I'll go with Biggio. Both are on the downside of their respective careers but aside from 2000, Biggio has been able to put up numbers close to his career averages. Alomar's production has gone down significantly and is constantly injured.
Mattingly
05-31-2004, 01:02 PM
New England Yankee, you also have to name two other players who should be compared, just as the last person had done.
Who are the two players? Thanks. :)
ElHalo
05-31-2004, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by cloakedarbiter
David Ortiz... i just dont like giambi, he's on the DL now anyway... Ortiz has certainly been a surprise since last year
Weird that you'd say that... David Ortiz is the only guy on the Red Sox that I actively dislike. I'm not the hugest Giambi fan in the world, either, but Ortiz... just really rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
Scott Rolen or Melvin Mora?
BoSox Rule
05-31-2004, 01:27 PM
Rolen. Rolen will probably have better offensive stats for the most part at the end, and you can't argue with offense to go along with the best 3B defense in the majors.
cloakedarbiter
06-01-2004, 03:34 AM
Rolen's got great defense, though Mora's been on a breakthough recently.
Vladimir Guerrero or Manny Ramirez?
leecemark
06-01-2004, 05:58 AM
They are close as hitters, I might even give Manny the edge. The rest of the game its Guerro in a landslide. Vlad is a good oufielder, good baserunner and gives 100% all the time. None of those things are true of Manny.
Mo Rivera vs John Smoltz
cloakedarbiter
06-01-2004, 06:06 AM
Smoltz. Nice splitter, nice slider, fast fastball. Rivera only has fastball and cut fastball, though the combination is very effective.
Billy Wagner or Keith Foulke?
Hammerin Hank
06-01-2004, 07:15 AM
Wagner is much more dominant.
Aramis Ramirez vs Hank Blalock
Coal Cracker
06-01-2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Mattingly
New England Yankee, you also have to name two other players who should be compared, just as the last person had done.
Who are the two players? Thanks. :)
My bad. I've done this before on some other boards. Usually I'm the one that has to remind people to post two new players.:laugh
Blalock. He's slightly younger and will put up better power numbers of the course of his career.
Josh Beckett or Dontrelle Willis?
mtomezak
06-01-2004, 01:35 PM
I think Willis has unmeasurable potential....I would look to the future, oh and he is'int that bad now either.
Pujols or Beltran
Did you see that play where Beltran practically gave up an inside-the-park home run because he didn't hustle to field the ball? Give me Pujols.
For this year: Tom Glavine or Kenny Rogers?
Designated Fielder
06-01-2004, 02:53 PM
Tom Glavine--He is pitching like he did in Atlanta. Of course, the Mets may have a better team. He pitched a one-hitter.
Jim Edmonds or Steve Finley
Hammerin Hank
06-01-2004, 02:56 PM
If I were a pitcher I'd rather face Finley than Edmonds.
Juan Uribe or Jose Valentin?
Designated Fielder
06-01-2004, 03:17 PM
As a Cardinal fan, Edmonds seems to be all or nothing at the plate, and for a gold glove centerfielder, he makes some fundamental mistakes. Finley seems to be fundamentally sound, and has put up some consistent numbers without the injuries of Edmonds.
Valentin has had a better career than Uribe. Uribe was pretty inconsistent in Colorado.
Matt Morris v. Kevin Millwood
cloakedarbiter
06-02-2004, 06:04 AM
Matt Morris, the ace of the Cards staff, though his ERA has risen threw the years.
Chipper Jones or Andruw Jones?
leecemark
06-02-2004, 06:12 AM
Chipper has slipped some with the bat the last couple years. He is still a better hitter than Andrew, but not enought to make up for the huge difference in their defense anymore.
Andrew Jones or Carlos Beltran
mtomezak
06-02-2004, 07:03 AM
I think Jones is obviously the better defender, but I think that Beltran is a better all around player, and he is going to be a franchise player for a paying club....Beltran
M. Bradley or C. Patterson
(try and forget about Bradley throwing all that stuff last night)
Hammerin Hank
06-03-2004, 05:28 AM
Bradley. He's having the better season so far and Patterson has been very inconsistent thoughout his career.
Carlos Delgado or Fred McGriff through the age of 32?
BoSox Rule
06-06-2004, 12:02 PM
Crime Dog. As amazing has Delgado has been, Fred was even better.
Todd Helton or Jim Thome
wlh99raiders
06-06-2004, 06:09 PM
helton
he is a better all around player who hits for avg., hr, and rbi
hideki matsui or ichiro suzuki
BoSox Rule
06-06-2004, 06:15 PM
Ichiro is better at every aspect of the game. Hitting, fielding, and baserunning.
Pedro Martinez vs. Sandy Koufax
wlh99raiders
06-06-2004, 06:32 PM
pedro 1997-2003- 118 wins, 2.21 era, 1761 strikeouts
koufax 1960-1966- 137 wins, 2.48 era, 1910 strikeouts
its a tough decision but i'm going to have to give the edge to koufax
nomar garciapara or derek jeter
ChipperJones
06-12-2004, 02:40 AM
Nomar easily. He has better defence. He has a better AVG, BB/SO ratio, and more power. Nomar could bat anywhere in the line up.
A-rod or any other SS ever. (I know he plays 3B but he is still a SS.)
BoSox Rule
06-12-2004, 02:56 PM
Nomar easily. He has better defence. He has a better AVG, BB/SO ratio, and more power. Nomar could bat anywhere in the line up.
A-rod or any other SS ever. (I know he plays 3B but he is still a SS.)
I'd take Wagner over him every day of the week.
Bonds or any LF (other than Williams)
BTW: I love the new style for how the posts show up.
ElHalo
06-12-2004, 05:54 PM
Bonds or any LF (other than Williams)
I currently would rank Bonds fifth all time amongst left fielders, behind Williams, Joe Jackson, Stan Musial, and Ed Delahanty. If he keeps playing till he's 45, we'll see what happens.
cloakedarbiter
06-12-2004, 06:20 PM
Lou Gehrig or any other 1B?
BoSox Rule
06-12-2004, 06:27 PM
Lou Gehrig or any other 1B?
Probably Lou. From now on, though, let's try to keep it by two players, not a player vs. position.
Manny or Sheff
ElHalo
06-12-2004, 06:43 PM
Probably Lou. From now on, though, let's try to keep it by two players, not a player vs. position.
Manny or Sheff
Manny. Probably.
Manny is such a greater hitter than Sheff as to really not be a contest. On the flip side, Sheff is an excellent fielder with a great arm who can steal 20 or so bases a year... all skills Manny is abysmal with. As an overall player, Sheffield is much more well round, but Manny is one of the handful of greatest hitters in the game, so you gotta go with him.
How two formerly reliable pitchers who have fallen from grace,
Derek Lowe or Mike Hampton?
BoSox Rule
06-13-2004, 11:46 AM
Lowe. I've seen him at his absolute best and he's unhittable at that.
Ken Griffey, Jr. or Manny Ramirez
ElHalo
06-13-2004, 11:52 AM
Lowe. I've seen him at his absolute best and he's unhittable at that.
Ken Griffey, Jr. or Manny Ramirez
Today, Manny. Career value, Griffey Jr., and it's not remotely close.
ElHalo
06-13-2004, 03:27 PM
Not remotely comparable players, but here's a midseason acquisition version of Him or Him:
Carlos Beltran or Freddy Garcia? Assume your team has equal needs for an outfielder and a pitcher.
wlh99raiders
06-13-2004, 04:32 PM
carlos beltran, he helps your team in every part of the game, defense, hitting, base stealing. u can also build e team around him, he is a franchise player.
him or him
eric chavez or mike lowell
BoSox Rule
06-13-2004, 04:39 PM
A healthy Chavez. Hitting's close but Chavez on defense: boy oh boy.
Trot Nixon or Bobby Abreu
ElHalo
06-13-2004, 04:48 PM
Trot Nixon or Bobby Abreu
Nixon. I've never really gotten everybody's Abreu fetish... he's not very good. He's Bobby Higginson good. Warning track power.
Brooks Keichnik or David McCarty?
BoSox Rule
06-13-2004, 04:55 PM
McCarty. He's actually a pretty good pitcher, and a better hitter.
Babe Ruth or David McCarty :laugh
wlh99raiders
06-14-2004, 05:44 PM
babe ruth
kerry wood or mark prior
BoSox Rule
06-14-2004, 06:42 PM
Hmm. 2.43 ERA, 18-6 last year, I'd take Prior depending on how he rebounds from this injury.
Pedro Martinez or Kevin Brown
wlh99raiders
06-14-2004, 07:32 PM
as much as i hate to admit it, its got to be pedro.
david ortiz or sean casey
ElHalo
06-14-2004, 07:35 PM
as much as i hate to admit it, its got to be pedro.
david ortiz or sean casey
True, Pedro's a no brainer over Kevin Brown, whether you mean this season or career wise.
As for Ortiz and Casey... that's also a no brainer. It's Casey, and it's also not close.
Pat Burrell or J.D. Drew?
wlh99raiders
06-15-2004, 05:05 AM
burell over drew, he is finally starting to break out of his year long slump.
wlh99raiders
06-15-2004, 03:59 PM
ben sheets or carlos zambrano?
ElHalo
06-15-2004, 04:28 PM
ben sheets or carlos zambrano?
Ben Sheets. He's a legitimate ace starter. Zambrano is a third or fourth starter having a good year.
nomarwho
06-15-2004, 10:47 PM
I'll take Sheets this season but Zambrano for the long haul...
Scott Rolen or Aramis Ramirez?
ChipperJones
06-16-2004, 04:24 AM
Hitting:Rolen Defence:Rolen This season:Rolen Carrer wise:Rolen
Marcus Giles or Luis Castillo?
Designated Fielder
06-16-2004, 10:12 AM
Luis Castillo--his speed gives him the edge.
Albert Pujols or Manny Ramirez
wlh99raiders
06-16-2004, 02:13 PM
pujols,he is just a better hitter, although it is pretty close
ben sheets or kerry wood?
Edgartohof
06-16-2004, 02:23 PM
kerry wood
been around longer and actually has a winning record
also a better fielder and a better era
Ugueth Urbina or Armando Benitez?
BoSox Rule
06-16-2004, 02:34 PM
Urbina (Pujols is definetley not a better hitter than Manny. It's Bonds, then Manny, then Pujols)
Manny Ramirez or Jim Edmonds
-Never expected 200 replies, lets make it a thousand
nomarwho
06-16-2004, 03:31 PM
Urbina (Pujols is definetley not a better hitter than Manny. It's Bonds, then Manny, then Pujols)
Manny Ramirez or Jim Edmonds
-Never expected 200 replies, lets make it a thousand
I hate to do it but I'm gonna have to go with Manny on this one
Brad Penny or Beckett?
wlh99raiders
06-16-2004, 04:46 PM
brad penny as of now is a better pitcher, all beckett has on his resume is last years world series.
garret anderson or bernie williams?
West Coast Offense
06-16-2004, 05:04 PM
Bernie Williams, only because he's been more consistent. Anderson, by the looks of it, will be hampered by his arthritis.
Shawn Green or Juan Encarnacion?
nomarwho
06-16-2004, 05:35 PM
that's a tough one they both have similar numbers this year but I'll take Green
more power, higher Avg. even though he seems to get hurt alot
Moises Alou or Lance Berkman?
wlh99raiders
06-16-2004, 05:45 PM
lance berkman, he is a better all around hitter, and has become a decent fielder.
jose guillen or moises alou?
BoSox Rule
06-16-2004, 05:59 PM
lance berkman, he is a better all around hitter, and has become a decent fielder.
jose guillen or moises alou?
Jose Guillen, good hitter, great arm
Pedro Martinez or Tom Glavine
wlh99raiders
06-16-2004, 06:07 PM
if ur going by this year it has to be glavine, he leads the majors in era, and if it wasn't for the mets bad offense he would have 10 or 11 wins.
pedro or schilling?
ElHalo
06-16-2004, 06:09 PM
Pedro. Glavine is finished. He's had a nice little run right at the beginning of this year, but if I'm a Mets fan, I'd rather have Steve Trachsel starting than Glavine.
Tim Wakefield or Pat Hentgen?
wlh99raiders
06-17-2004, 12:58 PM
wakefield is better, hentgen is 2-6 with about a 6.00 era.
jack wilson or carlos guillen?
BoSox Rule
06-17-2004, 01:02 PM
Guillen. Amazing this season. Wilson's been good, too.
Andy Pettitte or Derek Lowe
wlh99raiders
06-17-2004, 01:27 PM
pettite, lowe is looking terrible this season.
craig wilson or paul konerko?
abolishthedh
06-18-2004, 10:28 AM
Craig Wilson. Just over the last few years, he seems to have had several clutch hits. These are extra base hits, too.
Tim Hudson or Mark Mulder?
BoSox Rule
06-18-2004, 10:31 AM
Tim Hudson. I haven't seen Hudson's H/R splits, but Mulders' career ERA on the road is like over 4.00.
Pedro or Curt
wlh99raiders
06-19-2004, 01:17 PM
pedro
nomar or tejada?
royalsnerd2004
06-19-2004, 01:21 PM
nomar
beltran or cameron?
wlh99raiders
06-19-2004, 04:33 PM
beltran by far, its not even close
give_it_a_ride
06-20-2004, 04:37 PM
Since wlh didnt leave two more, I'll make a new one.
For the rest of the season, Griffey or Beltran. I would personally say Griffey, because we've all seen what he can do when hes healthy (400 homers from 1991-2000, 249 from 1996-2000)
BoSox Rule
06-20-2004, 04:41 PM
Griffey, even for the rest of his career.
Pedro Martinez or Jason Schmidt
wlh99raiders
06-20-2004, 05:15 PM
jason schmidt, in his last six starts he has only let up 7 runs, and 4 of them were let up by relivers, they were charged to schmidt cause the runners got on base when he was still in.
josh beckett or ben sheets?
give_it_a_ride
06-20-2004, 05:38 PM
on the note of schmidt, he pitched a one-hitter today. second in a month. amazing.
i would say ben sheets, if you saw him against atlanta with those 18 K's, you would know what i mean. if ben sheets was on florida, his record would be more like 50-30 instead of 39-43.
Renteria or Kaz Matsui for the rest of their careers? they were born in the same year, 1975.
wlh99raiders
06-20-2004, 06:07 PM
i'd take renteria, matsui has 15 erroers already this year, hes a decent hitter,but nothing special.
carlos beltran or andruw jones?
BoSox Rule
06-21-2004, 10:41 AM
Beltran, both similiar but I think Beltran will always have a better BA, OBP, and SLG. Similar defensively.
Jason Schmidt or Mark Prior
ChipperJones
06-21-2004, 03:20 PM
Beltran may have a better BA but his carrer SLG is not higher than Andruws. Similar defensively? Andruw has 6 gold gloves and beltran has none.
As for Prior and Schmidt, if a was building a young team I would take Prior but Schmidt is an ace on 9/10 teams.
Deon Sanders or Micheal Jordan?
BoSox Rule
06-21-2004, 04:05 PM
Sanders. He actually made it to MLB, and did hit .300 once.
Mark Mulder or Tom Glavine
give_it_a_ride
06-21-2004, 05:24 PM
for the next 10 years, obviously mulder, but for the rest of the year, Glavine.
Mulder's home/away splits reveal himself, and if Glavine had a real offense behind him, hed have 9 wins.
BoSox Rule
06-21-2004, 06:13 PM
for the next 10 years, obviously mulder, but for the rest of the year, Glavine.
Mulder's home/away splits reveal himself, and if Glavine had a real offense behind him, hed have 9 wins.
Maybe in the past but...
Home: 5-0 2.98
Away: 3-2 2.81
wlh99raiders
06-30-2004, 05:01 PM
scott posednik or carl crawford?
Hammerin Hank
03-21-2005, 03:56 PM
scott posednik or carl crawford?
Both have amazing speed but I think Crawford shows the most promise.
Carlos Zambrano or Ben Sheets?
mojorisin71
03-21-2005, 04:01 PM
Sheets. I was impressed by his 2000 Olympics performance, and he has quietly evolved into one of the most prized pitchers in MLB.
David Ross or Paul Bako?
Hammerin Hank
03-21-2005, 04:10 PM
Sheets. I was impressed by his 2000 Olympics performance, and he has quietly evolved into one of the most prized pitchers in MLB.
David Ross or Paul Bako?
David Ross. Bako swings a cardboard bat.
Ken Macha or Ron Gardenhire?
mojorisin71
03-21-2005, 04:14 PM
I'll take Gardenhire. Macha has been viewed as a puppet for Beane to the eyes of A's fans.
Jason Bay or Khalil Greene?
BristolBoy
03-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Jason Bay looks like a player that could be around for a VERY long time.
Rivera or Gagne?
Sweet Lou
03-21-2005, 04:36 PM
Jason Bay looks like a player that could be around for a VERY long time.
Rivera or Gagne?
Rivera for the last 5 or 6 years, but Gagne for the last couple and the next few. (can I get any more vague, I wonder? :D)
Mike Cameron or Torii Hunter?
Hammerin Hank
03-21-2005, 04:44 PM
Rivera for the last 5 or 6 years, but Gagne for the last couple and the next few. (can I get any more vague, I wonder? :D)
Mike Cameron or Torii Hunter?
Torii can do it all.
Michael Barrett or A.J. Pierzynski?
Sweet Lou
03-21-2005, 04:51 PM
Torii can do it all.
Michael Barrett or A.J. Pierzynski?
( Is it okay if I go twice in a row?)
Pierzynski for his defense and better BA.
John Olerud or Tino Martinez?
Hammerin Hank
03-21-2005, 05:04 PM
( Is it okay if I go twice in a row?)
Pierzynski for his defense and better BA.
John Olerud or Tino Martinez?
Olerud had one of the best eyes in baseball.
Adrian Beltre or Aramis Ramirez?
Sweet Lou
03-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Adrian Beltre or Aramis Ramirez?
Hm, last year was great both offensively and defensively for Beltre, but Ramirez might be better overall....
I pick Ramirez.
Tom Gordon or Akinori Otsuka?
nomarwho
03-22-2005, 10:15 PM
Ok, I blame Tom Gordon for singlehandedly (is that a word??) losing the ALCS last year (it would be too easy to get outs in the 8th :ughh ) so I'm gonna go with Otsuka even though I've never heard of him.
A-Rod or Pujols?
Hammerin Hank
03-22-2005, 10:17 PM
Ok, I blame Tom Gordon for singlehandedly (is that a word??) losing the ALCS last year (it would be too easy to get outs in the 8th :ughh ) so I'm gonna go with Otsuka even though I've never heard of him.
A-Rod or Pujols?
A-Rod. They have about the same hitting ability, maybe even Pujols has the edge there. But since Pujols is a first baseman and A-Rod is a shortstop (or pretending to be a third baseman) I'll take him.
Derrek Lee or Paul Konerko?
nomarwho
03-22-2005, 10:39 PM
A-Rod. They have about the same hitting ability, maybe even Pujols has the edge there. But since Pujols is a first baseman and A-Rod is a shortstop (or pretending to be a third baseman) I'll take him.
Derrek Lee or Paul Konerko?
Hey just naming two fairly equal players (position notwithstanding ;) )
I would take Konerko over Lee even though I like Lee
how 'bout Pettitte Vs. Leiter
STLCards2
03-23-2005, 06:11 AM
how 'bout Pettitte Vs. Leiter
This is tough to estimate since we have never seen Pettitte pitch without 14.8 rpg :D support from his offense.
Hammerin Hank
03-23-2005, 12:10 PM
Hey just naming two fairly equal players (position notwithstanding ;) )
I would take Konerko over Lee even though I like Lee
how 'bout Pettitte Vs. Leiter
I'd take Leiter. I think he's a better quality pitcher.
Dontrelle Willis or Brandon Webb?
Captin Warm Nose
12-03-2005, 08:20 AM
Willis.
Richie Sexson or Adrian Beltre?
Go Bravos!!!#1
12-03-2005, 01:52 PM
Richie Sexson, because he is way more consistant than Beltre who had a fluke year.
John Wetteland or Bruce Sutter
Bucky Dent or Arron Boone?
Sweet Lou
06-11-2006, 08:22 AM
Bucky Dent or Arron Boone?
There's a similar thread entitled "Name your player" that was started just a few days ago. This thread is a couple years old. Wanna join us in that thread? :)
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Sweet Lou