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bryanac625
03-17-2013, 04:14 PM
The trailer for 42 shows Jackie Robinson being hit in the face by a pitched ball. Did this ever actually happen?

Ben Grimm
03-17-2013, 04:25 PM
I never heard of it happening. But it is Hollywood, maybe that leaves a better impact to those viewing.

ol' aches and pains
03-17-2013, 06:17 PM
I never heard about such an incident, and I've probably read every word ever published about Robinson. I expect a lot of embellishment and inaccuracy. I don't know why they think they need to embellish, but I expect it. Hell, they made Abraham Lincoln a vampire hunter, for God''s sake.

drstrangelove
03-17-2013, 11:35 PM
Exactly. The need to embellish what is already a great story is Hollywood. Lincoln, Genghis Khan, Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, The Tuskegee Airmen, etc.

Hollywood just doesn't think real people are interesting enough without changing the facts.

TomBodet
03-18-2013, 03:46 AM
Come on they treated Optimus okay----

Waiting for the Kaline story starring Jack Black.

Captain Cold Nose
03-18-2013, 05:25 AM
Come on they treated Optimus okay----

Waiting for the Kaline story starring Jack Black.

No, no and no.

Hollywood did not make Abraham Lincoln a vampire hunter. Some novelist did after another author turned a couple of Jane Austen's works into horror stories. The movie came from that.

SHOELESSJOE3
03-18-2013, 05:45 AM
I never heard of it happening. But it is Hollywood, maybe that leaves a better impact to those viewing.

Just more Hollywood BS. The problem is, most baseball fans know it never happened but the general public will believe it.
Hollywood has screwed up more bio type movies and will continue to do so.

Goodman, Ruth movie................Babe hits a home run, trots to first base and a pinch runner finishes the home run trot to home.
They really reached on that one, even the casual baseball fan probably didn't buy that one..

Dude Paskert
03-18-2013, 05:54 AM
Come on they treated Optimus okay----

Waiting for the Kaline story starring Jack Black.

I can see JB playing Stormin Norman Cash...

Dude Paskert
03-18-2013, 05:56 AM
Just more Hollywood BS. The problem is, most baseball fans know it never happened but the general public will believe it.
Hollywood has screwed up more bio type movies and will continue to do so.

Goodman, Ruth movie................Babe hits a home run, trots to first base and a pinch runner finishes the home run trot to home.
They really reached on that one, even the casual baseball fan probably didn't buy that one..

Plus they showed Babe as being a fat kid...how many kids are going to be fat growing up in a orphanage/reform school?

Captain Cold Nose
03-18-2013, 06:00 AM
Plus they showed Babe as being a fat kid...how many kids are going to be fat growing up in a orphanage/reform school?

They had to show him as a fat kid. It made it easier to take that he looked like a fat 40-year-old when he was 22.

Anything else in the Robinson trailer that's suspect? Without context of the play in the movie, I'm not going to judge the scene too harshly until I see it.

Nutt
03-18-2013, 06:12 AM
it might've happened at UCLA or at Montreal.

Tyrus4189Cobb
03-18-2013, 09:27 AM
A director's job is to convey emotions of a the events surrounding a movie, fictional or not. Literature has an advantage because it can use pages and pages of language to set up or support motifs, themes, character development, and plot progression. A director of a drama film such as this strives for the same goals within the confines of the film's run time.

In the trailer, Jackie gets a pitch to the face twice. Dodging the first one, Jackie quips, "I'll duck" when the reporter asks what will happen if thrown at the head. This shows Jackie's country boy confidence. Playing the white boys isn't any different than the game he's played all his life. If someone throws a heat-seeker, he's going to move. Plain and simple.

The second pitch to face hits him. Jackie topples over instantly. Did this really happen? It doesn't matter because it's used as a tool to to convey the tension brought about by the integration. The film doesn't have time to describe every instance of abuse Jackie faced. It's only going to use a few major ones, fictional or not, to demonstrate the adversity he faced by racist fans and players. Headhunting during a game is a perfect way of conveying the sad reality that some believed Jackie didn't belong in the game because of his color.

Regardless of how movie's overall critical reception, I can definitely see the Chadwick Boseman (Jackie) and/or Harrison Ford (Branch Rickey) taking home Best Actor and/or Best Supporting Actor, respectively, if they play the role(s) well enough. It's just the type of movie the Academy looks for acting performances. Based on the trailer it seems Ford will do a great job as Branch. Boseman looks pretty good but he definitely doesn't have Jackie's voice.

The awful rap song at the end of the trailer is inappropriate. You can tell they asked a rapper to make a song, which he did a terrible job, just to connect present-day Blacks to those in Jackie's day. But the score is so unfitting for a movie like this that it made me cringe. The main medley ought to be a jazzy, big-band swing without lyrics.

SHOELESSJOE3
03-18-2013, 10:03 AM
A director's job is to convey emotions of a the events surrounding a movie, fictional or not. Literature has an advantage because it can use pages and pages of language to set up or support motifs, themes, character development, and plot progression. A director of a drama film such as this strives for the same goals within the confines of the film's run time.

In the trailer, Jackie gets a pitch to the face twice. Dodging the first one, Jackie quips, "I'll duck" when the reporter asks what will happen if thrown at the head. This shows Jackie's country boy confidence. Playing the white boys isn't any different than the game he's played all his life. If someone throws a heat-seeker, he's going to move. Plain and simple.

The second pitch to face hits him. Jackie topples over instantly. Did this really happen? It doesn't matter because it's used as a tool to to convey the tension brought about by the integration. The film doesn't have time to describe every instance of abuse Jackie faced. It's only going to use a few major ones, fictional or not, to demonstrate the adversity he faced by racist fans and players. Headhunting during a game is a perfect way of conveying the sad reality that some believed Jackie didn't belong in the game because of his color.

Regardless of how movie's overall critical reception, I can definitely see the Chadwick Boseman (Jackie) and/or Harrison Ford (Branch Rickey) taking home Best Actor and/or Best Supporting Actor, respectively, if they play the role(s) well enough. It's just the type of movie the Academy looks for acting performances. Based on the trailer it seems Ford will do a great job as Branch. Boseman looks pretty good but he definitely doesn't have Jackie's voice.

The awful rap song at the end of the trailer is inappropriate. You can tell they asked a rapper to make a song, which he did a terrible job, just to connect present-day Blacks to those in Jackie's day. But the score is so unfitting for a movie like this that it made me cringe. The main medley ought to be a jazzy, big-band swing without lyrics.

Come on, thats overboard, getting hit by a pitch and getting hit in the face is a whole different show.
And if I read you correcty..... they tried to hit him in the face twice. You don't have to pretend hitting Jackie in the face to get the message across, name calling and other events that he endured in his career gives the viewer the picture.

Tyrus4189Cobb
03-18-2013, 10:22 AM
Come on, thats overboard, getting hit by a pitch and getting hit in the face is a whole different show.
And if I read you correcty..... they tried to hit him in the face twice. You don't have to pretend hitting Jackie in the face to get the message across, name calling and other events that he endured in his career gives the viewer the picture.

Nothing brings the message home like physical abuse. There is no better way of highlighting it on field than being hit in the face. And I don't think going from a hit by a pitch in the torso to being hit in the face is much of a stretch. The movie has to make money and will look to appeal to the widest audience possible. Not everyone who is going to see it will be a baseball historian.

Honus Wagner Rules
03-18-2013, 10:22 AM
They had to show him as a fat kid. It made it easier to take that he looked like a fat 40-year-old when he was 22.

Anything else in the Robinson trailer that's suspect? Without context of the play in the movie, I'm not going to judge the scene too harshly until I see it.

Bingo! No one has seen the movie but the BBF party poopers just want to trash the movie. And for the record Robinson was NOT hit in the face in the trailer. He was hit on the side of the head. The ball clearly hit Robinson on hat so he couldn't have been hit in the face.

121810

Honus Wagner Rules
03-18-2013, 10:38 AM
A director's job is to convey emotions of a the events surrounding a movie, fictional or not. Literature has an advantage because it can use pages and pages of language to set up or support motifs, themes, character development, and plot progression. A director of a drama film such as this strives for the same goals within the confines of the film's run time.

In the trailer, Jackie gets a pitch to the face twice. Dodging the first one, Jackie quips, "I'll duck" when the reporter asks what will happen if thrown at the head. This shows Jackie's country boy confidence. Playing the white boys isn't any different than the game he's played all his life. If someone throws a heat-seeker, he's going to move. Plain and simple.

The second pitch to face hits him. Jackie topples over instantly. Did this really happen? It doesn't matter because it's used as a tool to to convey the tension brought about by the integration. The film doesn't have time to describe every instance of abuse Jackie faced. It's only going to use a few major ones, fictional or not, to demonstrate the adversity he faced by racist fans and players. Headhunting during a game is a perfect way of conveying the sad reality that some believed Jackie didn't belong in the game because of his color.
Good commentary. :thumbsup:



Regardless of how movie's overall critical reception, I can definitely see the Chadwick Boseman (Jackie) and/or Harrison Ford (Branch Rickey) taking home Best Actor and/or Best Supporting Actor, respectively, if they play the role(s) well enough. It's just the type of movie the Academy looks for acting performances. Based on the trailer it seems Ford will do a great job as Branch. Boseman looks pretty good but he definitely doesn't have Jackie's voice.

Just from what I've seen Ford at looks like he took this role very seriously. He even looks like Rickey.



The awful rap song at the end of the trailer is inappropriate. You can tell they asked a rapper to make a song, which he did a terrible job, just to connect present-day Blacks to those in Jackie's day. But the score is so unfitting for a movie like this that it made me cringe. The main medley ought to be a jazzy, big-band swing without lyrics.

Actually this rap song is over four years old, released on December 1, 2008. It's called Brooklyn Go Hard by Jay-Z. I like the song, though I agree it's inappropriate for this movie. They should have used contemporary music of 1947.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUGAmDTLPY0

Honus Wagner Rules
03-18-2013, 11:03 AM
I checked the 1947 boxscores. Robinson was HBP nine times that season, four times by Pirates' pitchers.

May 17, 1947 @ Pittsburgh (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT194705170.shtml)

June 3, 1947 @ Brooklyn (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BRO/BRO194706031.shtml)

July 15, 1947 @ Brooklyn (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BRO/BRO194707152.shtml)

August 25, 1947 @ Brooklyn (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BRO/BRO194708250.shtml)

In the trailer Robinson is wearing the Brooklyn road uniform so that would mean only the May 17 game could be the game. Robinson was HBP in the first inning by Fritz Ostermueller. This was Ostermueller's only time he hit a batter all season. From Sports Illustrated, May 5, 1997:



Pittsburgh was the warmest port Robinson had been in yet. On May 16 he went 2 for 4 in a 3-1 Dodgers victory over the Pirates, and the next day he stroked two more singles in a 4-0 loss, extending his hitting streak to 14 games and raising his batting average to .299. More important, Robinson could feel his teammates circling closer around him. On May 17, when Pittsburgh pitcher Fritz Ostermueller nearly beaned him with a rising fastball—it struck Robinson's arm as he jerked it up to shield his head—the Dodgers in the dugout rose to their feet, gathered on the steps and peppered Ostermueller with threats and profanity. In the May 24 Pittsburgh Courier, Robinson's closest friend among the writers, Wendell Smith, wrote, "It was then that they displayed, probably for the first time, that they regard him as one of them."

SOURCE (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1010023/6/index.htm)


According to robinson, Pirates #B, Frankie Gustin told him that Ostermueller didn't hit him on purpose.

121817

SOURCE (page 19) (http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1999/JSH2601/jsh2601f.pdf)


Assuming that is suposed to be Fritz Ostermueller in the trailer they did screw one thing up. Ostermueller was a lefty!

Here's some detail of Fritz Ostermueller beaning Robinson.

http://arkyvaughan.blogspot.com/2012/09/whos-that-in-42-trailer.html

EdTarbusz
03-18-2013, 11:07 AM
. This shows Jackie's country boy confidence. .

Why would a non-country boy be showing country boy confidence?

Harrison Ford as Branch Rickey seems like terrible miscasting to me. I think he would have better as Kindly Old Burt Shotton.

Tyrus4189Cobb
03-18-2013, 11:15 AM
Actually this rap song is over four years old, released on December 1, 2008. It's called Brooklyn Go Hard by Jay-Z. I like the song, though I agree it's inappropriate for this movie. They should have used contemporary music of 1947.

I stand corrected. That didn't sound like Jay-Z, but I'm not huge on rap. And of the rap I do listen to I don't like Jay-Z.

My curiosity now shifts to the decision to cast Chris Meloni as Leo the Lip. Doesn't jive with me but I'll give him a chance. The actress who will play Jackie's widow looks good, though.

I'll stop before I force this thread into the Movies & Literature forum. Other than a notable color blind friendship with Jackie, did Pee Wee Reese have any other impact on Jackie's life? As middle infield mates, did either adopt anything from each other? Did they maintain a close friendship after retirement?

Tyrus4189Cobb
03-18-2013, 11:16 AM
Why would a non-country boy be showing country boy confidence?

Gives the "Boys of Summer" feel to a time more noted for it

EdTarbusz
03-18-2013, 11:19 AM
Gives the "Boys of Summer" feel to a time more noted for it

Except that none of the Boys of Summer were country boys.

BigRon
03-18-2013, 11:32 AM
Except that none of the Boys of Summer were country boys.

Well, Preacher Roe was from a little village in northern Arkansas, and Bily Cox was from a little village in central Pa.- they might qualify as "country boys".

EdTarbusz
03-18-2013, 11:34 AM
Well, Preacher Roe was from a little village in northern Arkansas, and Bily Cox was from a little village in central Pa.- they might qualify as "country boys".

Little village is not the same as country. I lived in a little village in Alabama and it was not country.

SHOELESSJOE3
03-18-2013, 12:00 PM
Bingo! No one has seen the movie but the BBF party poopers just want to trash the movie. And for the record Robinson was NOT hit in the face in the trailer. He was hit on the side of the head. The ball clearly hit Robinson on hat so he couldn't have been hit in the face.

121810

Not party pooping here HWR, I did not see the trailer.
I was replying to what others said they saw in the traler.

SHOELESSJOE3
03-18-2013, 12:07 PM
Nothing brings the message home like physical abuse. There is no better way of highlighting it on field than being hit in the face. And I don't think going from a hit by a pitch in the torso to being hit in the face is much of a stretch. The movie has to make money and will look to appeal to the widest audience possible. Not everyone who is going to see it will be a baseball historian.

Your kidding, not much difference getting hit in the face or head compared lower body.
In all the years you watched this game, how many times have you seen a batter hit in the face or even the head compared to the body.
Does Hollywood want to paint the white MLB players as wanting to seriously injure Jackie, maybe kill him.

Honus Wagner Rules
03-18-2013, 12:08 PM
Not party pooping here HWR, I did not see the trailer.
I was replying to what others said they saw in the traler.

No worries. I wasn't referring to you, SHOELESS. :happy:

SHOELESSJOE3
03-18-2013, 12:11 PM
No worries. I wasn't referring to you, SHOELESS. :happy:

Didn't think so, had to make it clear for others.

Honus Wagner Rules
03-18-2013, 12:13 PM
Your kidding, not much difference getting hit in the face or head compared lower body.
In all the years you watched this game, how many times have you seen a batter hit in the face or even the head compared to the body.
Does Hollywood want to paint the white MLB players as wanting to seriously injure Jackie, maybe kill him.

This is an important point. Because if that is indeed Fritz Ostermueller and if the film makes it look as if Ostermueller tried to hurt Robinson on purpose than that is wrong and filmmakers should be ashamed. It is wrong to drag Fritz Ostermueller's through the mud like that.

Ben Grimm
03-18-2013, 12:45 PM
Not party pooping here HWR, I did not see the trailer.
I was replying to what others said they saw in the traler.

Likewise. Though I do want to see the film.

Tyrus4189Cobb
03-18-2013, 01:22 PM
Your kidding, not much difference getting hit in the face or head compared lower body.
In all the years you watched this game, how many times have you seen a batter hit in the face or even the head compared to the body.
Does Hollywood want to paint the white MLB players as wanting to seriously injure Jackie, maybe kill him.

I didn't say there was not much difference. I said it isn't much of a stretch. In this fictional account of Jackie receiving a blow from a racist pitcher, the cinematic decision to have the pitch hurled at his head as opposed to his torso with the intent of conveying baseball's racism at the time is not a stretch. Choosing to throw a pitch at player's head, in this scenario, is just a better way of driving home the racist abuse.

Hollywood isn't trying to paint anyone as a killer. The director is trying to show you the racism Jackie overcame in the movie's runtime. In 1947, Black Americans were still being assaulted and killed by ordinary supremacist citizens, especially in the South. Lynchings had prevailed well into the 20th century. If the pitcher was in any way a racist, he'd have no problem headhunting Robinson. The director wants to paint the picture of overcoming adversity in the face of overwhelming racism. As a white person, I doubt he's trying to set up white players as malicious beings. He chose a single event, probably fictional, to convey a solid point.

I don't know why people view Jackie being struck in the head in a movie as such a poor showmanship of Hollywood fabrications. By people's reactions the director might as well have had him face a four-armed alien pitcher.

bluesky5
03-18-2013, 01:27 PM
They should have had Ty Cobb run onto Ebbets Field and slice Jackie with a broken coke bottle.

Tyrus4189Cobb
03-18-2013, 02:04 PM
They should have had Ty Cobb run onto Ebbets Field and slice Jackie with a broken coke bottle.

I would never do that. Caffeine keeps me up all night

Afterglow
03-18-2013, 02:37 PM
This is a case of artistic license.

The "truth" gets stretched in a movie when the director and or writer believes there needs to be some added emotion that isn't there.

It was done in the movie "The Hurricane" about the life story of Rubin Carter. Tho that was an abortion since the movie was all out wrong with it's portrayal of events.

ol' aches and pains
03-18-2013, 06:01 PM
Not everyone who is going to see it will be a baseball historian...

True, but most posters here are baseball historians, at least at an amateur level,at least in their own minds, hence the skepticism you see in this thread.

And Abraham Lincoln as a vampire hunter, wherever it came from, just offends me, I'm sorry.

bluesky5
03-18-2013, 07:03 PM
And Abraham Lincoln as a vampire hunter, wherever it came from, just offends me, I'm sorry.

Me too.

People love that crap. Supernatural creatures making love to teenage girls. Supernatural creatures fighting presidents. If you look at book publishing companies they all are majorly devoted to "women's romantic fantasy fiction."

Tyrus4189Cobb
03-18-2013, 07:21 PM
And Abraham Lincoln as a vampire hunter, wherever it came from, just offends me, I'm sorry.


Me too.

People love that crap. Supernatural creatures making love to teenage girls. Supernatural creatures fighting presidents. If you look at book publishing companies they all are majorly devoted to "women's romantic fantasy fiction."

No argument here. Fantasy media is in an era of vampires (though that's fading), zombies (to the point where some people are hoping for a zombie apocalypse), and revamped, darker executions of fairy tales.

As for this film, 42, I don't know if it will encompass Jackie's entire life or mostly the events surrounding 1947. Spielberg's Lincoln only chronicled 1865, the passing of the Thirteenth Amendment and the end of the Civil War, setting the stage for southern Reconstruction.

I'm glad a new Robinson movie was made. Once his story again reaches the audience, I hope one is done on Satchel Paige or Josh Gibson (or maybe just the Kansas City Monarchs)

bryanac625
03-18-2013, 07:55 PM
Thanks to all for their responses to my question. I had never heard of Robinson being hit in the face/head by a pitched ball, and I've read Opening Day by Jonathan Eig and I know of perhaps the most famous incident, the Enos Slaughter spiking. But getting hit in the face, particularly the eye, or the head, could have ended his career.

I agree witht he poster who said Hollywood has to sometimes overdramatize in a few seconds to get a message across that might take four or five pages in a book. I know this will probably be a typical "history as Hollywood" film with a lot of inaccuracies. I know many here know the real story. But keep in mind, this movie is marketed to young people, many of them not being baseball fans. Maybe someone will become a fan from watching this movie.

chicagowhitesox1173
03-18-2013, 08:06 PM
I don't like how they are using rap music but I guess it could inspire young black kids to play baseball again and maybe we will see a new Willie Mays or Hank Aaron type again because of this movie.

Captain Cold Nose
03-19-2013, 03:13 AM
True, but most posters here are baseball historians, at least at an amateur level,at least in their own minds, hence the skepticism you see in this thread.

And Abraham Lincoln as a vampire hunter, wherever it came from, just offends me, I'm sorry.

Lincoln would have loved it. He appreciated every mindless diversion he could get.

Often is the case the actual story is better than what the movies, Hollywood or otherwise, portray. Stuff like Robinson being hit in the face is not a minor trifle. There is no need to embellish what was horrific at times for Robinson. Real life is dramatic enough without some self-appointed auteur thinking heightened emphasis is needed. You being the Jackie scholar you are have every right to be suspicious.

bluesky5
03-19-2013, 07:08 AM
Lincoln would have loved it. He appreciated every mindless diversion he could get.

Often is the case the actual story is better than what the movies, Hollywood or otherwise, portray. Stuff like Robinson being hit in the face is not a minor trifle. There is no need to embellish what was horrific at times for Robinson. Real life is dramatic enough without some self-appointed auteur thinking heightened emphasis is needed. You being the Jackie scholar you are have every right to be suspicious.

So Ty Cobb never stabbed him with a broken coke bottle?

ol' aches and pains
03-19-2013, 11:45 AM
Lincoln would have loved it. He appreciated every mindless diversion he could get.

Yes, he couldn't resist a good farce like "Our American Cousin", unfortunately.

ol' aches and pains
03-20-2013, 10:16 AM
Bingo! No one has seen the movie but the BBF party poopers just want to trash the movie. And for the record Robinson was NOT hit in the face in the trailer. He was hit on the side of the head. The ball clearly hit Robinson on hat so he couldn't have been hit in the face.

Call me a party pooper, but I don't have high hopes for this film. Even the advance press releases from the studio were riddled with historical errors. I wish Spike Lee would make his Jackie Robinson film that he's been talking about for 20 years.

I pray that the hip-hop song in the trailer is only in the trailer. It takes you right out of the story when they use music that wasn't contemporary to the era being portrayed.

Hopefully, they'll use something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-7Ac2LVVYU.

Using hip-hop in this movie would be like putting a David Bowie song in a film about World War II. Oh, wait.

bryanac625
03-21-2013, 02:33 AM
Call me a party pooper, but I don't have high hopes for this film. Even the advance press releases from the studio were riddled with historical errors. I wish Spike Lee would make his Jackie Robinson film that he's been talking about for 20 years.

I pray that the hip-hop song in the trailer is only in the trailer. It takes you right out of the story when they use music that wasn't contemporary to the era being portrayed.

Hopefully, they'll use something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-7Ac2LVVYU.

Using hip-hop in this movie would be like putting a David Bowie song in a film about World War II. Oh, wait.


I've seen before where films use modern music in the trailer or maybe in the opening/closing credits but use period music in the body of the film. So it remains to be seen if modern music will be used in the movie. I'm not too worried about it at this point.

jerseygary
03-22-2013, 07:34 AM
Besides the lousy music, that movie looks historically awful! Pitchers threw at Robinson more than any other player that year but he was never hit in the head! I don't think even the most hard-core racist would risk a suspension or outright banning from the game if he seriously hurt the man. Sure he was thrown at, hit in the ribs, the back, the arms - but head? Besides, you got to give a big league ballplayer credit for having the dexterity to duck or weave!

The other stupid part of the trailer was him smashing his bat in the tunnel. Robinson was too proud of a man to show his emotions like that. It represents everything the man tried to do in 1947! No other man could have done the job he was asked to do with as much dignity and courage. He kept it all bottled up inside, something that probably helped his early death. Showing him lose it in Ebbets Field like that? It's a slap in the face of his legacy!

Like all those lousy Babe Ruth movies, the Robinson picture looks like the Hollywood people have to put their own spin on things when the real story was actually much more incredible.

...and that's coming from someone who works on movies for a living. But on the bright side, doesn't those panoramas of Ebbets Field look great? They also got the uniforms pretty good as well. At least the set design and props look good so far.

Dude Paskert
03-22-2013, 07:46 AM
They should have had Ty Cobb run onto Ebbets Field and slice Jackie with a broken coke bottle.

Even better, make Jackie have no hands!!

Captain Cold Nose
03-22-2013, 08:28 AM
Even better, make Jackie have no hands!!

Anything to get on Al Stump's good side. As long as Jackie's story is deservedly told as it happened, everyone else is fair game for tarnishment, hyperbole and treated as a Shakespearean villian.

Well, just Cobb, at least. Hollywood movies need to have someone as the bad guy even if there is no actual reason for one. Which the Robinson story should have as long as they aren't strictly viewed through 2013 eyes.

Victory Faust
03-22-2013, 09:07 AM
The baseball history fan in me wants to see the movie, but I fear it's going to be too preachy.

Los Bravos
03-23-2013, 02:05 AM
Some background info. (http://arkyvaughan.blogspot.com/2012/09/whos-that-in-42-trailer.html)

Not 100% accurate but closer than some people here seem to want to believe.

EdTarbusz
03-23-2013, 10:53 AM
Fritz Ostermueller had good reason to be bitter towards Branch Rickey. In 1944 while Ostermueller was having a decent season (in a season with a shortage of good pitchers) Rickey sold his contract to Syracuse. Ostermueller was only a few weeks of being a 10 year player. In that era a 10 year player could refuse to go to the Minors and instead obtain his release. Whether this had anything to do with hitting Robinson 3 years later is anyone's guess. I tend to doubth that Ostermeuller hit Robinson purposely.